Is health care a right or a luxury?

[bettilimbroke999]

Republicans believe its a luxury

Democrats believe its a right

This has got to be the most talked about domestic issue I've seen in my lifetime, this just really gets ppl going and I think I know why

First off if your Republican you have money where health insurance is not an issue for you, sure its 100-500 less in your pocket each month but you can just lower your employees pay to minimum wage or overcharge your customers to make up for that, if you work it is likely at a job that already provides health insurance. Thus the only result of nationalizing health care to you is a negative one, it would provide no effective difference in your life financially, especially considering your taxes will likely be raised to pay for it and the negatives are that waiting lists will prolly double and when before it took a month to get a doctor's appt it might take 3 months to get one now being that since the poor dont have to empty their wallet to get checked out they will likely be much more incline to seek healthcare, also doubling the number of ppl seeking major treatments will likely run the system much more thing than previously.

But if you're Democrat you see things from a completely different perspective. You prolly work for that cheap boss that goes to the hospital with a "thrown out" back everytime he lifts something over 20 lbs while your hobbling around after lifting 100 lb items all day long, you have no health insurance bc it puts more money in your bosses pocket to not be concerned with the welfare of his employees and are living paycheck to paycheck so that 300 bucks a month you need to insure your family goes to pay the rent instead. You get pneumonia and have to spend a day in the hospital, when you get out they inform you for the 30 mins of treatment they gave you and the nights rest you got at the hospital you owe them 10k, well your job only pays 25k and you were paycheck to paycheck before that so clearly you are not going to be able to pay this, you either dont pay it and it goes on your credit report and no one will give you a loan bc you're defaulting on 10k in debt and your credit score drops to 500 or you go bankrupt and no one will give you a loan bc you filed bankruptcy.

[fiveteamer]

Housing, Food, Education, Water, Health Care, all rights.

We are humans, we are not snakes.

We take care of our fellow men and women.

[pdx107]

Right, no question asked
someone should not die or live in misery because they cant afford to get treatment

[BestPlay2day]

Only thing is the welfare moms with thier 6 kids use the hospitals as a minute clinic and take their kids there for a minor cold knowing they won't have to pay for the hospital bills because hospitals can't turn away people.

[betplom]

Only thing is the welfare moms with thier 6 kids use the hospitals as a minute clinic and take their kids there for a minor cold knowing they won't have to pay for the hospital bills because hospitals can't turn away people.

Welfare moms and their children shouldn't get coverage, fukk them - they only contribute to the problem.

Health-care should be a privilege only for those that can afford it - helping less fortunate citizens is very unAmerican - its almost communist!

We all know how bad communism is, right?

[20Four7]

Only thing is the welfare moms with thier 6 kids use the hospitals as a minute clinic and take their kids there for a minor cold knowing they won't have to pay for the hospital bills because hospitals can't turn away people.

Hospitals here do turn people away for that. You don't go to an emergency room for a cold. That's what family doctors and clinics are for.

[bettilimbroke999]

Women are crazy thats how they end up welfare moms, Im only 28 and all the girls married or not already have kids, they need to teach these dumb bitches that if neither you nor the guy have a fukin red cent to your name and both living in the gutter perhaps you should get on the pill

[reno cool]

Hospitals do turn away people. (except for emergency)
Those kids are likely covered anyway if the mom has welfare.
Addressing the problem of too many children should not involve punishing the ones already born.

[oiler]

Republicans believe its a luxury

Democrats believe its a right

This has got to be the most talked about domestic issue I've seen in my lifetime, this just really gets ppl going and I think I know why

First off if your Republican you have money where health insurance is not an issue for you, sure its 100-500 less in your pocket each month but you can just lower your employees pay to minimum wage or overcharge your customers to make up for that, if you work it is likely at a job that already provides health insurance. Thus the only result of nationalizing health care to you is a negative one, it would provide no effective difference in your life financially, especially considering your taxes will likely be raised to pay for it and the negatives are that waiting lists will prolly double and when before it took a month to get a doctor's appt it might take 3 months to get one now being that since the poor dont have to empty their wallet to get checked out they will likely be much more incline to seek healthcare, also doubling the number of ppl seeking major treatments will likely run the system much more thing than previously.

But if you're Democrat you see things from a completely different perspective. You prolly work for that cheap boss that goes to the hospital with a "thrown out" back everytime he lifts something over 20 lbs while your hobbling around after lifting 100 lb items all day long, you have no health insurance bc it puts more money in your bosses pocket to not be concerned with the welfare of his employees and are living paycheck to paycheck so that 300 bucks a month you need to insure your family goes to pay the rent instead. You get pneumonia and have to spend a day in the hospital, when you get out they inform you for the 30 mins of treatment they gave you and the nights rest you got at the hospital you owe them 10k, well your job only pays 25k and you were paycheck to paycheck before that so clearly you are not going to be able to pay this, you either dont pay it and it goes on your credit report and no one will give you a loan bc you're defaulting on 10k in debt and your credit score drops to 500 or you go bankrupt and no one will give you a loan bc you filed bankruptcy.

well if it wasnt for health care ,i would be in trouble,my hopital bills have surpassed two million dollars already and it wont get any better,so i think it is a neccesity

[betplom]

Women are crazy thats how they end up welfare moms, Im only 28 and all the girls married or not already have kids, they need to teach these dumb bitches that if you neither you nor the guy have a fukin red cent to your name and are both living in the gutter perhaps you should get on the pill

Welfare moms cant afford the pill, condoms or other birth control methods - giving them free birth control would be very socialist - we all know how bad socialism is, right?

If they cannot earn the money to buy birth control for themselves they will just have to accept the fact they will be getting pregnant many times in their horrible lives.

Welfare moms have alot of free time and not alot of money, unprotected sex with different men seems like the best way to use their free time - plus it costs nothing - exactly the amount welfare moms can afford.

[Sam Odom]

If it is a "right" from where does this right come?

[bettilimbroke999]

well if it wasnt for health care ,i would be in trouble,my hopital bills have surpassed two million dollars already and it wont get any better,so i think it is a neccesity

Dayyum son! Yes I would say health insurance has been to your benefit

[betplom]

If it is a "right" from where does this right come?

Sam if you have healthcare and someone less fortunate than you does not they are within their rights to take yours from you if they are powerful enough to do so - thats the American way.

When you see something you really want and are powerful enough to take it away from the person/people that currently own it you simply take it, isn't that how America obtained California?

[ZBOIZ]

Right

[Sam Odom]

betplom, you are rambling.

[bettilimbroke999]

Welfare moms cant afford the pill, condoms or other birth control methods - giving them free birth control would be very socialist - we all know how bad socialism is, right?

If they cannot earn the money to buy birth control for themselves they will just have to accept the fact they will be getting pregnant many times in their horrible lives.

Welfare moms have alot of free time and not alot of money, unprotected sex with different men seems like the best way to use their free time - plus it costs nothing - exactly the amount welfare moms can afford.

Betplom believe me birth control (pills, condoms, etc) has always been provided for free (family planning, health dept), in fact health care to poor kids is currently provided for free by almost every state.

Most bitches have no living braincells and are basically just sex toys, they are dumb enough to think having kids with no money is fine since the govt will give her more money for more kids.

[betplom]

betplom, you are rambling.

As are you.

The difference is that my posts are glaringly sarcastic, while yours seem to be sincere.

[oiler]

Dayyum son! Yes I would say health insurance has been to your benefit

started with cancer,then the chemo which desstroyed my hearth,lings ,kidneys and to top it all off got blood clots so i think it is a neccesity for me,the chemo did all this damaged to my organs

[Fischnasty]

its a basic human right in my opinion

[Sam Odom]

I asked a simple question, thats all.

[betplom]

Betplom believe me birth control (pills, condoms, etc) has always been provided for free (family planning, health dept), in fact health care to poor kids is currently provided for free by almost every state.

Most bitches have no living braincells and are basically just sex toys, they are dumb enough to think having kids with no money is fine since the govt will give her more money for more kids.

So the state supports socialism my trying to help these people? Fukking terrible!

As you may have figured by now, my replies in this thread were made with tongue planted firmly in cheek.

Sometimes the USA is such an easy target. The propaganda spewed out by America dwarfs the amount of propaganda of most other countries combined.

There are alot of smart Americans, however, they seem to be heavily outnumbered.

[oiler]

I asked a simple question, thats all.

with all the taxes where paying,damn we should all have insurance

[Rixsaw]

health care is for everyone is only 1 side of the equation. Cost is the other side of the equation. No one have talked about fixing the cost. You can't fix one side without fixing the other side. Why are American pharmaceutical companies willing to sell the meds to Canada at a lower price than they do in the US? Why is the FDA not allowing meds from other countries to come to the US to foster competition? This whole thing STINKs to high heaven.

Democrats solutions is always more taxes to pay for the social programs. Republicans solution is "who give the sh!t, you can't pay? you die." At the EOD, you can't touch these monstrous companies because they have paid off the government to leave them alone to charge whatever they want.

To the Dems, everything is a right; except the right to bare arms.

[UntilTheNDofTimE]

Yea these woman do nothing but have 6 kids so their daddy( the govt) will take care of them. so they can sit on their ass and do nothing for their hole lives. Women make me ****ing sick. One of my cousins is married to a marine and shes stationed in Okinawa. The marriage isn't working out and she wants to get a divorce, but she said shell wait 5 more years cause after 10 years married to a marine your entitled to half of their retirement. Are you frucking kidding me? can women be any more of a gold digger than this. Get a fvcking job.

[bettilimbroke999]

So the state supports socialism my trying to help these people? Fukking terrible!

As you may have figured by now, my replies in this thread were made with tongue planted firmly in cheek.

Sometimes the USA is such an easy target. The propaganda spewed out by America dwarfs the amount of propaganda of most other countries combined.

There are alot of smart Americans, however, they seem to be heavily outnumbered.

I know you were bein tongue in cheek I just figured bein from Canada you might not know that they do provide some basic health care service to the poor already and all services to poor minors for free, birth control is a huge freebie that no one has a problem supporting bc the 200 bucks on birth control a year is a fortune less than welfare, insurance and prison for the children of the welfare mom without birth control

[oiler]

Betplom believe me birth control (pills, condoms, etc) has always been provided for free (family planning, health dept), in fact health care to poor kids is currently provided for free by almost every state.

Most bitches have no living braincells and are basically just sex toys, they are dumb enough to think having kids with no money is fine since the govt will give her more money for more kids.

thank you for the points but was just saying how much people rely on insurance and the sad thing is once u get to a certain amount,they will cancel u without even caring.so im good for another year or two and then they will cut me loose

[13th Inning]

Nobody has a right to healthcare. Just like nobody has a right to housing, food, etc.

In order to have a right, someone has to grant it to you. Who has the authority to grant these rights? Nobody. Therefore, it's impossible for them to be considered 'rights'.

Now, with that said, it would be great if everyone had healthcare, housing, etc. And as an advanced society, we should be willing to give of ourselves to help each other. HOWEVER, nobody should be FORCED to do so, via government/taxes/some other authority if they do not want to.

Besides, that's why most people work - we need housing/health care/food, etc. so we need to obtain it for ourselves, since it ISN'T a right.

[betplom]

I know you were bein tongue in cheek I just figured bein from Canada you might not know that they do provide some basic health care service to the poor already and all services to poor minors for free, birth control is a huge freebie that no one has a problem supporting bc the 200 bucks on birth control a year is a fortune less than welfare, insurance and prison for the children of the welfare mom without birth control

The way you worded this is the same way we refer to healthcare in Canada, we call it "free" when of course it is not, we pay taxes to support our state run healthcare system.

Canada, like the USA is a rich nation, we (as you) have enough resources to make healthcare available to all citizens - we choose to do so while the US instead chooses to fight about it instead of actually providing it for its citizens.

I understand that change is difficult because the pharmaceutical companies and HMO's (big business) control everything in healthcare.

On a side note I find alot of the reporting about the Canadian system laughable, claims such as "the quality of prescription medication in Canada is inferior to that of the United states" is really funny, all of the big pharmaceutical companies from America and Europe produce drugs here using the exact ingredients and methods used in the USA.

[bettilimbroke999]

The govt does provide food and housing to the poor, is health insurance just the next step towards a socialized country or should we stop here or go backwards and take the food and housing away?

[oiler]

The way you worded this is the same way we refer to healthcare in Canada, we call it "free" when of course it is not, we pay taxes to support our state run healthcare system.

Canada, like the USA is a rich nation, we (as you) have enough resources to make healthcare available to all citizens - we choose to do so while the US instead chooses to fight about it instead of actually providing it for its citizens.

I understand that change is difficult because the pharmaceutical companies and HMO's (big business) control everything in healthcare.

On a side note I find alot of the reporting about the Canadian system laughable, claims such as "the quality of prescription medication in Canada is inferior to that of the United states" is really funny, all of the big pharmaceutical companies from America and Europe produce drugs here using the exact ingredients and methods used in the USA.

i think chicago has the most taxes in big cities and no matter what i shithead of a mayor does.the answer to everything is raisng taxes,with all the taxes where paying there should be a plan for us to get insurance

[betplom]

Nobody has a right to healthcare.

Canadians have a right to healthcare, as do citizens of most countries in Europe.

America obviously does not share the same beliefs as other first world nations, perhaps things will change in America when they decide to join the rest of the world and adopt the metric system used for measurement.

Why is there such resistance to units of 10? - the basis of the metric system.

Metric is much easier and more widely used than imperial - but the US still clings to its prehistoric system for some inexplicable reason.

[13th Inning]

Just because it's provided doesn't make it a right. The government doesn't have to provide these things.

I don't think they should be taken away; there will always be a need for a welfare system of some type. Obviously, though, the welfare system as it is needs to be fixed. But there will always be people who legitimately can't take care of themselves or who fall on hard times for awhile.

[bettilimbroke999]

The way you worded this is the same way we refer to healthcare in Canada, we call it "free" when of course it is not, we pay taxes to support our state run healthcare system.

Canada, like the USA is a rich nation, we (as you) have enough resources to make healthcare available to all citizens - we choose to do so while the US instead chooses to fight about it instead of actually providing it for its citizens.

I understand that change is difficult because the pharmaceutical companies and HMO's (big business) control everything in healthcare.

On a side note I find alot of the reporting about the Canadian system laughable, claims such as "the quality of prescription medication in Canada is inferior to that of the United states" is really funny, all of the big pharmaceutical companies from America and Europe produce drugs here using the exact ingredients and methods used in the USA.

Interesting points, also I didnt mean to imply the insurance was truly free I just meant free to the minor (or his parents as they would normally pay for it).

How much exactly should the govt "provide" for its citizens is the question on everyone's minds though.

Should we guarantee every citizen food, housing, health insurance, a car, gas money, etc. just bc they are US citizens, you have to understand betplom there is a limit to how much the govt can reasonably provide even though the US is currently still prosperous.

I have a car bc I saved the money and purchased it, am I any better than the guy in the projects who cant afford a car, no, but he needs a car just like I do to get places (assuming public transport isnt an option where he lives) so should the govt pay for his car and gas money, then at what point does the govt provide so much that no one wants to work for anything?

[betplom]

Just because it's provided doesn't make it a right. The government doesn't have to provide these things.

Incorrect, in Canada healthcare is provided because it is a right, and the right thing to do.

Interesting points, also I didnt mean to imply the insurance was truly free I just meant free to the minor (or his parents as they would normally pay for it).

How much exactly should the govt "provide" for its citizens is the question on everyone's minds though.

Should we guarantee every citizen food, housing, health insurance, a car, gas money, etc. just bc they are US citizens, you have to understand betplom there is a limit to how much the govt can reasonably provide even though the US is currently still prosperous.

I have a car bc I saved the money and purchased it, am I any better than the guy in the projects who cant afford a car, no, but he needs a car just like I do to go places so should the govt pay for his car, then at what point does the govt provide so much that no one wants to work for anything?

Americans always expand on what rights actually are using the logic that if healthcare is a right next thing people will expect is gas money and automobliles provided by the state, this argument is a non starter and inaccurate.

Specifically healthcare is considered a right, most Canadians are reasonable and don't expect the government to provide everything one requires in life.

[Sam Odom]

Incorrect, in Canada healthcare is provided because it is a right, and the right thing to do.

If the Canadian Gov't took 'free' health care away would it still be a RIGHT?