Is sports betting unbeatable?

**DrunkHorseplayer** · 12-04-19, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by Thunderground

Maybe so. Did you find a 12-step program or a contact number? All I could tell you is that I tried it and it worked for me. The guy is into quantum physics and used a few gamblers to try a few things out.

If somebody told you about a cell phone and what it could do 25 years ago, would you have believed it? Have you ever called the manufacturer to explain to you how it works? Are you creative enough to have imagined something as simple as a paperclip? It took less than a 100 years to get from paperclip to microchip. Just saying.

1) Quantum physics has nothing to do with gambling.
2) Yes; back in the mid-90's I did anticipate what cell phones would become, which isn't a big deal because the entire tech industry was saying the same thing.
3) Do you know if he tested his so-called system or are you believing what you hear?

**Thunderground** · 12-04-19, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by bitcoinLuke

The people who say betting is unbeatable always have one thing in common: they put very little time into it.

They wake up, check the lines, look at the match up for 5 min, make a bet.

Betting is just like anything else, the more time you put into it, the better you get. If you're looking at service plays, "capping" off the match up thread, or asking others for their lock of the day, you're always going to lose.

If you are able to take stats and coaching and compute them into accurate power rankings, then figure out what the point spread should be for the difference in the rankings, before the lines are released, then hit the lines that are off the most as soon as they come out, you can win. There will still be missed 30 yard fgs, and bad beats, but year after year you can win. You just have to decide whether this is for fun or you really want to take the time to make money doing it.

It does take a chunk of time. And even then, in the end, only the best 2% get paid over the long run. Imagine showing up for work and you would not get paid unless you were in the best 2%.

The vast majority of players could never overcome the juice in the long run. It's like playing soccer on a field that's slated so the ball always starts rolling towards your own goal. Most are just chasing a dream, and end up on a forum with others who didn't find the pot with gold at the end of the rainbow.

The sport that can be beat is horse racing, through exotic wagers. The reason that people can win here is that you can toss horses out. If you know how to do that you can change a negative playing field into a positive playing field. And if that's not possible you skip the race.

Without programming skills people have no shot. Zero. Old school is done for. The army of nerds has caught up. A program gives you the ability to remember and access all your best ideas instantly.

**lakerboy** · 12-04-19, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by pilebuck13

What’s wrong with just seeing and knowing a line is not right? Not everything needs a computer but different people gamble different I guess

Exactly. If you have done this for some time you should know when a line is off.

**Thunderground** · 12-04-19, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by DrunkHorseplayer

1) Quantum physics has nothing to do with gambling.
2) Yes; back in the mid-90's I did anticipate what cell phones would become, which isn't a big deal because the entire tech industry was saying the same thing.
3) Do you know if he tested his so-called system or are you believing what you hear?

Quantum mechanics has to do with the nature of reality.

He asked me to be a test player. It worked for me. But I didn't believe it would.

Like most gamblers I could remember my worst beats and my biggest wins. So before committing to a longer test, I wanted to check those first. Checked about ten events and the numbers came back very convincing. My impression over the longer run is that all those crappy losses, where one bad bounce of the ball makes the difference, the games you have to sweat, didn't happen or seldom happened when the figure was positive. So did I experience it? Yes. Could I explain it? No.

**Optional** · 12-04-19, 03:53 AM

Originally posted by pilebuck13

I think everything everyone is told is complete bull shit. This is me personally speaking the old 2 percent of bankroll. No chasing ect ect I don’t think many if anyone is legit winners betting this way. I know there are some who do but 95 percent will be beat by the numbers gambling this way. I’d like to see how many will profit after a year of betting everyday using 2 percent of bankroll. Lol gl

I know someone who chased into and back out of a 20k loss recently.

**Optional** · 12-04-19, 03:55 AM

Originally posted by Thunderground

Quantum mechanics has to do with the nature of reality.

He asked me to be a test player. It worked for me. But I didn't believe it would.

Like most gamblers I could remember my worst beats and my biggest wins. So before committing to a longer test, I wanted to check those first. Checked about ten events and the numbers came back very convincing. My impression over the longer run is that all those crappy losses, where one bad bounce of the ball makes the difference, the games you have to sweat, didn't happen or seldom happened when the figure was positive. So did I experience it? Yes. Could I explain it? No.

I don't see the system explained on that link.

Is he selling it?

**Gaze73** · 12-04-19, 05:43 AM

Originally posted by Thunderground

It does take a chunk of time. And even then, in the end, only the best 2% get paid over the long run. Imagine showing up for work and you would not get paid unless you were in the best 2%.

The vast majority of players could never overcome the juice in the long run. It's like playing soccer on a field that's slated so the ball always starts rolling towards your own goal. Most are just chasing a dream, and end up on a forum with others who didn't find the pot with gold at the end of the rainbow.

The sport that can be beat is horse racing, through exotic wagers. The reason that people can win here is that you can toss horses out. If you know how to do that you can change a negative playing field into a positive playing field. And if that's not possible you skip the race.

Without programming skills people have no shot. Zero. Old school is done for. The army of nerds has caught up. A program gives you the ability to remember and access all your best ideas instantly.

Make up your mind. First you say you have no losing streaks because of this amazing system, then you say the only market that can be beaten is exotic horse bets. Just use the magic luck chart and win 70% ATS.

The system wasn't even explained at all. What's the luck figure for Penguins vs Blues? Do you calculate it or pull it out of a hat? If the figure is high, which team will get lucky tonight?

**Thunderground** · 12-04-19, 07:20 AM

Originally posted by Optional

I don't see the system explained on that link.

Is he selling it?

I don't think so. I haven't talked to him for a while. I was just reminded of it, because of what the OP talked about.

He's into abstract problems and asks questions like 'what is an event?' I suppose the question 'what is luck?' is not that crazy to him. He's into probability theory, but in ways that go beyond sports. It's not about sports betting to him.

Sorry I can't be of more help.

**Thunderground** · 12-04-19, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by Gaze73

Make up your mind. First you say you have no losing streaks because of this amazing system, then you say the only market that can be beaten is exotic horse bets. Just use the magic luck chart and win 70% ATS.

The system wasn't even explained at all. What's the luck figure for Penguins vs Blues? Do you calculate it or pull it out of a hat? If the figure is high, which team will get lucky tonight?

There are answers to your questions, but I'm not the guy to answer them.

**pilebuck13** · 12-04-19, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by Optional

I know someone who chased into and back out of a 20k loss recently.

Idk I only chase once I have paid my initial deposit back with some profit . No matter how much I lose I never go back and make a larger deposit trying to get it back. Low risk deposit get the money back to me with a + then at that point it’s not effecting my life either way.

**Gaze73** · 12-04-19, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by Thunderground

There are answers to your questions, but I'm not the guy to answer them.

Why did you just delete your blog then, seems like you are the guy.

**jjgold** · 12-04-19, 10:55 AM

lol systems

**winnerloser** · 12-04-19, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

lol systems

systems are bullshit ur right, imo.

**Gaze73** · 12-04-19, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

lol systems

Bet on the top 5 teams at home against the bottom 5 teams on the road.

**GunShard** · 12-04-19, 03:09 PM

I read that betting on baseball is the most profitable sport. While NBA and NFL outcomes depends on the last minute of the 4th quarter.

**BeatTheJerk** · 12-04-19, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by GunShard

I read that betting on baseball is the most profitable sport. While NBA and NFL outcomes depends on the last minute of the 4th quarter.

You should stop reading.

**lakerboy** · 12-04-19, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by BeatTheJerk

You should stop reading.

Why? He is right

**winnerloser** · 12-04-19, 04:17 PM

theres no such thing as sure bets in betting its all chance. prove me wrong

**Nappyx** · 12-04-19, 05:06 PM

Its definitely been unbeatable for me... I'm down lifetime but keep trying to find that magic formula. Its about the journey not the destination.

**BeatTheJerk** · 12-04-19, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by lakerboy

Why? He is right

You think the vast majority of NBA & NFL games come down to the last minute of the game on the spread ?

**Sam Odom** · 12-04-19, 05:25 PM

Great post by Rock (not the object but the general theme)

**bitcoinLuke** · 12-04-19, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by pilebuck13

What’s wrong with just seeing and knowing a line is not right? Not everything needs a computer but different people gamble different I guess

How do you know its not right without the data to back it up, your gut? I've seen many, many people go broke betting with their gut

**pilebuck13** · 12-04-19, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by bitcoinLuke

How do you know its not right without the data to back it up, your gut? I've seen many, many people go broke betting with their gut

Using your data should radford be a 9 point favorite against James Madison?

**lakerboy** · 12-04-19, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by BeatTheJerk

You think the vast majority of NBA & NFL games come down to the last minute of the game on the spread ?

Not sure but I know bases is the easiest sport to beat. Ask Vegas

**pilebuck13** · 12-04-19, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by pilebuck13

Using your data should radford be a 9 point favorite against James Madison?

On paper didn’t make sense but I’m sure your advanced statistics spotted this line was singing.

**Gaze73** · 12-05-19, 05:23 AM

Since when is baseball easy? Even big favs get swept in huge blowouts sometimes. And you never know what the bullpen clowns will do.

**BeatTheJerk** · 12-05-19, 07:04 AM

Originally posted by lakerboy

Not sure but I know bases is the easiest sport to beat. Ask Vegas

Yeah well I wasn’t necessarily disagreeing on that part of his post.

**sweep** · 12-05-19, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by GunShard

I read that betting on baseball is the most profitable sport. While NBA and NFL outcomes depends on the last minute of the 4th quarter.

This is 100% correct if you have a large roll.....Also the longest sports season so variance not as detrimental

**bitcoinLuke** · 12-05-19, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by pilebuck13

On paper didn’t make sense but I’m sure your advanced statistics spotted this line was singing.

I don't do basketball.

And keep betting on things that "didnt make sense" with nothing to back it up. I'm sure you've made a ton doing it.

**pilebuck13** · 12-05-19, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by bitcoinLuke

I don't do basketball.

And keep betting on things that "didnt make sense" with nothing to back it up. I'm sure you've made a ton doing it.

Dude your a clown. System lmao shut up scrub

**bitcoinLuke** · 12-06-19, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by pilebuck13

Dude your a clown. System lmao shut up scrub

Someone who doesn't know the difference between "you're" and "your," and makes bets with his gut vs someone who spent many years putting a formula together for power rankings (not a system you fool) would call me a clown.

Its okay, 10 years ago I was clueless also and bet like you did, so I understand it. And I might have laughed at someone who used a formula, thinking its not possible . Someday you'll learn it is, or just continue to reload your account year after year like the rest of the recreational players.

**firedawg** · 12-06-19, 06:11 PM

Why were my comments deleted for calling out the janitor sweep?

Really

**pilebuck13** · 12-06-19, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by bitcoinLuke

Someone who doesn't know the difference between "you're" and "your," and makes bets with his gut vs someone who spent many years putting a formula together for power rankings (not a system you fool) would call me a clown.

Its okay, 10 years ago I was clueless also and bet like you did, so I understand it. And I might have laughed at someone who used a formula, thinking its not possible . Someday you'll learn it is, or just continue to reload your account year after year like the rest of the recreational players.

Lol who do you book with guy? Are you a pro lol. Grammar cop. Funny. I’d bet I have made more money gambling this year then your formula has...

**Pancake229** · 12-06-19, 06:52 PM

"The easiest thing you will ever do once you know the secrets is sportsbetting" VegasHustlerNet 2 time champ

**BeatTheJerk** · 12-06-19, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by bitcoinLuke

Someone who doesn't know the difference between "you're" and "your," and makes bets with his gut vs someone who spent many years putting a formula together for power rankings (not a system you fool) would call me a clown.

Its okay, 10 years ago I was clueless also and bet like you did, so I understand it. And I might have laughed at someone who used a formula, thinking its not possible . Someday you'll learn it is, or just continue to reload your account year after year like the rest of the recreational players.

How many coins you got pal ? (Bit)