SBR Lightning Poker 2019

[JoeCool20]

I can't stand this format.

Yeah, I don't see them sticking to this format. If only because there isn't enough time to "overcome" the wild luck-donks.


Hell I've been wildly luck donked out of EVERY tourney except one! I only have one cash for 75 points and in that one a dude donked out my KK in the hole by calling my all in with ABSOLUTELY nothing! He called with NOTHING! No pair, no draw, no nothing! He needed BOTH the last 2 cards to wildly donk a straight! And he donked them on me!


The point is, this SAME thing happened to me in the last tourney! I went on a stretch where I got donked so damn much that I made a thread up and started posting what wild donk luck bullshit happened to donk me out every night!

BUT!
Because it was a 3 month long qualifier, the stupid luck donks eventually stopped happening, and I made the top 20.

Then I won $200 in the cash tourney, because I NEVER got donked all the way up until my AA got donked by a wild luck straight by a guy who called my all in with 99!! (board came 6 5 8 Q 7 and he had wild-donked a luck straight!)

This format is going to be the 18 people who gets the luckiest, and get a bunch of donks for a month, and whoever gets bad luck has NO chance of overcoming it and having the odds "even out" it for them over time.
Because there is just not enough time in this format for my (or anyone's) terrible luck to turn into what the odds are supposed to be and give me a chance to get back in it.

[SBR_Guest_Pro]

And i'll take first place for that one thank you very much

[SBR_Guest_Pro]

Yeah, I don't see them sticking to this format. If only because there isn't enough time to "overcome" the wild luck-donks.


Hell I've been wildly luck donked out of EVERY tourney except one! I only have one cash for 75 points and in that one a dude donked out my KK in the hole by calling my all in with ABSOLUTELY nothing! He called with NOTHING! No pair, no draw, no nothing! He needed BOTH the last 2 cards to wildly donk a straight! And he donked them on me!


The point is, this SAME thing happened to me in the last tourney! I went on a stretch where I got donked so damn much that I made a thread up and started posting what wild donk luck bullshit happened to donk me out every night!

BUT!
Because it was a 3 month long qualifier, the stupid luck donks eventually stopped happening, and I made the top 20.

Then I won $200 in the cash tourney, because I NEVER got donked all the way up until my AA got donked by a wild luck straight by a guy who called my all in with 99!! (board came 6 5 8 Q 7 and he had wild-donked a luck straight!)

This format is going to be the 18 people who gets the luckiest, and get a bunch of donks for a month, and whoever gets bad luck has NO chance of overcoming it and having the odds "even out" it for them over time.
Because there is just not enough time in this format for my (or anyone's) terrible luck to turn into what the odds are supposed to be and give me a chance to get back in it.

This format is great

[JoeCool20]

This format is great

LOL You must be getting very lucky and not getting donked.


If I was doing that then I'd think the format was "great" too!

[GUMMO77]

LOL You must be getting very lucky and not getting donked.


If I was doing that then I'd think the format was "great" too!

SBR knows what it's doing.

Drew is great and hopefully, since he/SBR are listening to us, will introduce the 555 poker.



Trust me guy, this is the future.

[JoeCool20]

SBR knows what it's doing.

Drew is great and hopefully, since he/SBR are listening to us, will introduce the 555 poker.



Trust me guy, this is the future.

LOL I'm glad that Drew is trying new things.


No way on this web site will he get people to ALL agree on one thing though!

That 555 stuff that you made up would be more wild-donk luck than THIS new format.

Well so what? But I don't agree that he will ever change it to even LESS chips and MORE wild luck donking!

But like I said, if I get lucky and don't get donked in the "555" style, then I guess I'd think it was "great"! LOL


But there has to be more of a "middle" somewhere between "real poker" and who gets to play for the money just because they got wildly lucky for a month of "quick tourneys".

[Optional]

Let's see who is top of the leaderboard at the end.

If it is the same people as usual, what then?

[USCPHILLYGUY]

Let's see who is top of the leaderboard at the end.

If it is the same people as usual, what then?

Opti can you explain the actual poker program that SBR uses? Is it the same as other online poker programs? If not how do the programs differ?

[Optional]

Opti can you explain the actual poker program that SBR uses? Is it the same as other online poker programs? If not how do the programs differ?

I genuinely know very little more than you about the software.

[Crusherrr]

Let's see who is top of the leaderboard at the end.

If it is the same people as usual, what then?

It should result in a much more random draw of players. Short term variance can get anyone into the top 18. Results from 20-25 turbo tournaments isn't going to produce very meaningful results.

[JAKEPEAVY21]

It should result in a much more random draw of players. Short term variance can get anyone into the top 18. Results from 20-25 turbo tournaments isn't going to produce very meaningful results.

agreed, it will be interesting to see how things shake out.

[Auto Donk]

in the limited sample size so far, I see several of the same names running deep each day.....

for those who say it is now more random than ever as to who will wind up finishing in the final 18, I'd have to disagree a bit, as there is indeed a six man strategy to employ, based on the math of six vs. ten players, and based on your knowledge of those in the field and their playing styles..... understanding the differences in the format, as well as the sometimes subtle nuances in playing at a shorter table, is critical to success in this promo..... don't just chalk it up to dumb luck and a short qualifying period.....

any holes in your game are amplified at a shorter table; appreciate and understand your weaknesses and try to plug the holes.... I'm already regretting a few mistakes I made in the first week, but learned valuable lessons from them..... always work on your game, understand why you wound up in the situation you were in when you happened to, in the words of joe cool, "get donked"......

[franklee168]

in the limited sample size so far, I see several of the same names running deep each day.....

for those who say it is now more random than ever as to who will wind up finishing in the final 18, I'd have to disagree a bit, as there is indeed a six man strategy to employ, based on the math of six vs. ten players, and based on your knowledge of those in the field and their playing styles..... understanding the differences in the format, as well as the sometimes subtle nuances in playing at a shorter table, is critical to success in this promo..... don't just chalk it up to dumb luck and a short qualifying period.....

any holes in your game are amplified at a shorter table; appreciate and understand your weaknesses and try to plug the holes.... I'm already regretting a few mistakes I made in the first week, but learned valuable lessons from them..... always work on your game, understand why you wound up in the situation you were in when you happened to, in the words of joe cool, "get donked"......

Who the hell hacked AD's account? No words of sex at all here?!

[Crusherrr]

in the limited sample size so far, I see several of the same names running deep each day.....

for those who say it is now more random than ever as to who will wind up finishing in the final 18, I'd have to disagree a bit, as there is indeed a six man strategy to employ, based on the math of six vs. ten players, and based on your knowledge of those in the field and their playing styles..... understanding the differences in the format, as well as the sometimes subtle nuances in playing at a shorter table, is critical to success in this promo..... don't just chalk it up to dumb luck and a short qualifying period.....

Without a doubt short handed poker is going to favor better players. You have to play a much wider range of hands from all positions. But 20-25 tournaments is still a very short time so results are absolutely going to be about who ran hot. With shallower stacks your initial raise is smaller, c-bets smaller and jam range wider. You are all in much quicker as blinds are coming around more frequently. Smaller stacks means smaller edge. I was all in favor of this Lightning Poker promo. Shorter tournaments is a good thing, especially seeing as the prizes are minimal for the daily events.

[Auto Donk]

summed it up well, crusher

[Auto Donk]

an intangible, overwhelming benefit of this format is that SBR resident shithead, scam artist bobby waves has practically no chance of qualifying for the final.....

[thetrinity]

Without a doubt short handed poker is going to favor better players. You have to play a much wider range of hands from all positions. But 20-25 tournaments is still a very short time so results are absolutely going to be about who ran hot. With shallower stacks your initial raise is smaller, c-bets smaller and jam range wider. You are all in much quicker as blinds are coming around more frequently. Smaller stacks means smaller edge. I was all in favor of this Lightning Poker promo. Shorter tournaments is a good thing, especially seeing as the prizes are minimal for the daily events.

+1, although im surprised they made 3 drastic changes at once, chips, players at the table, and less qualifying tournaments

[JoeCool20]

All great comments, I'd only disagree with the statement that it is NOT "more random" in this format!

I see several new names in the top 18 while several "old names" are lower on the list because they haven't had any luck yet.

We all know that less chips, less people, quicker blinds = less skill and more randomness.

Just take a 300 chip 6 person "Super Turbo" tourney and compare it to a days long event with thousands of people in it.

One of those is a pure "crap shoot" that is nothing but all wild luck and no skill.

While the other one is at the other end of the spectrum, requiring patience, skill and strategy.

Whichever way you go makes it more of one or the other!

And this new format is obviously and definitely more towards the side of "Super Turbo" wild luck poker!

I don't even mind it!

My suggestion is, if it isn't "Hard" to set these things up, then keep this format, and only do a WEEKLY 18 qualifier!

With lower prizes for the cash tourney at the end of the week!

In other words do four of these per month and chop the prizes into fourths!

So pay $125 instead of $500 for the winner each week! And $75 instead of $300 for 2nd place! And so on down the pay scale.

Then start another one next week and see who gets lucky and wins that week!

If the point is to drive traffic to the poker, then that would keep people interested as hell and coming back EVERY week to try and win some points or money! And the money gets spread around to ALL kinds of members and keep people involved and engaged to the SBR web site!

I like the shit outta that idea!

[Auto Donk]

joe, my son, the point of sbr poker has -- in the eyes of sbr -- not to drive traffic to it, but rather to shut it the fuk down altogether.....

why trnies that used to pay 3k pts now pay 800 pts, the promos pay way less than they used to, etc, etc.....

sbr looks at the poker community the same way the ladies look at JJ's crank when he finally pulls that tiny thing out in front of them..... with pure disdain and total dissatisfaction...........

[bonzaii]

Lol at all the less skill comments. With the old format, the majority of SBR players played like nits anyway and just fold and fold till the blinds got high and start pushing when they are forced to. This format forces you to play less tight, but at least it saves you about 15-20 mins of time if you go bust with about 10-15 big blinds. Also like how people can't just register and sit out for the first 20-30 mins and still have a decent chance of cashing.

[MalikHusam]

I can't stand this format.

Your opinion only.

I LIKE IT

[EmpireMaker]

Did I say you couldn't like it ?
I spoke for myself.
Angle shooters like you would like it.

Your opinion only.

I LIKE IT

[thechaoz]

Lol at all the less skill comments. With the old format, the majority of SBR players played like nits anyway and just fold and fold till the blinds got high and start pushing when they are forced to. This format forces you to play less tight, but at least it saves you about 15-20 mins of time if you go bust with about 10-15 big blinds. Also like how people can't just register and sit out for the first 20-30 mins and still have a decent chance of cashing.

Which is higher variance with low total BB to blind ratios, which leads to more gamble and less situations where you can raise fold or make plays or float or do any of the things that make poker.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[thechaoz]

This is def a pro donk format.

In fact it may be genius by SBR poker in a way to draw in new blood.

[thechaoz]

Without a doubt short handed poker is going to favor better players. You have to play a much wider range of hands from all positions. But 20-25 tournaments is still a very short time so results are absolutely going to be about who ran hot. With shallower stacks your initial raise is smaller, c-bets smaller and jam range wider. You are all in much quicker as blinds are coming around more frequently. Smaller stacks means smaller edge. I was all in favor of this Lightning Poker promo. Shorter tournaments is a good thing, especially seeing as the prizes are minimal for the daily events.

Normally absolutely. I discovered 6 handed almost by accident , and that I'm much better in online cash games playing short handed.

What doesn't favor better players is a very low starting stack, same blind structure, same amount of players per tourney, and the worst offender, the 20 tourneys to make the top 18.

It would be much more condusive to skill to modify the these aspects.

[JoeCool20]

Which is higher variance with low total BB to blind ratios, which leads to more gamble and less situations where you can raise fold or make plays or float or do any of the things that make poker.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Of course this is all correct.

[GUMMO77]

This is def a pro donk format.

In fact it may be genius by SBR poker in a way to draw in new blood.

[209 Life]

I told you Jake, Volk baby!

[Auto Donk]

clearly, this format favors donks.....

just look at who the fuk is atop the mother fukkin' leader board when it's posted in the morning............

mother fukker even has it in his mother f'n name.......

[pablo222]

clearly, this format favors donks.....

just look at who the fuk is atop the mother fukkin' leader board when it's posted in the morning............

mother fukker even has it in his mother f'n name.......

[dlowilly]

Flopping the nut straight with a royal draw not only no good on here, but busts you

***** Hand history (v1.2) *****
Hand ID 7761572
$0 + $6 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 15:16:41 16/05/2019 ET
Table 'Table 82420', 6 seats max, Real money
Seat 1 is the button. Small Blind $15, Big Blind $30
Note: seat IDs range from 1 to 6
Seat 1 (playing) : katstale, amount $970, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 2 (playing) : cincinnatikid513, amount $1995, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 3 (playing) : zwoeins, amount $760, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 4 (playing) : dlowilly, amount $1160, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 6 (playing) : 5mike5, amount $2225, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
cincinnatikid513: Small Blind ($15)
zwoeins: Big Blind ($30)
** Dealing Down Cards **
Dealt to dlowilly: [Qh, Ah]
dlowilly: Raise [btn] ($90)
5mike5: Call ($90)
katstale: Fold
cincinnatikid513: Call ($75)
zwoeins: Fold
** Dealing Flop **
Community cards: [Ts, Jh, Kh]
cincinnatikid513: Bet ($150)
dlowilly: Call [btn] ($150)
5mike5: Raise ($2135)
cincinnatikid513: Call ($1755)
dlowilly: Call [btn] ($920)
cincinnatikid513: Show Cards ($0)
dlowilly: Show Cards ($0)
5mike5: Show Cards ($0)
** Dealing Turn **
Community cards: [Jc]
** Dealing River **
Community cards: [Tc]
** End Round **
** Evaluate **
cincinnatikid513: Show Cards ($0)
dlowilly: Show Cards ($0)
5mike5: Show Cards ($0)
** Showdown **
Main pot $3510, Rake $0
Side pot #1 $1670, Rake $0
Side pot #2 $230, Rake $0
Summary cincinnatikid513: bet $1995, won $0, net $-1995, Holecards [Th, 2h]
Summary dlowilly: bet $1160, won $0, net $-1160
Summary 5mike5: bet $2225, won $5410, net $3185, HoleCards [Kd, Td], HiHand [a full house, tens full of kings] [Ts, Td, Tc, Kh, Kd], won $3510 from main pot, won $1670 from side pot #1, won $230 from side pot #2

[frankzig]

this sucks , can somebody PM when goes some semblance of poker instead of a fuk fest

[MalikHusam]

change your sig to EX champion

[dlowilly]

change your sig to EX champion

Change ur sig to I like c o c k

[JoeCool20]

LOL This SBR shit is ALL fukkin donks!