Did ODDSMAKER.com make a poor decision regarding this complaint?

[englishmike]

I do feel there are more questions than answers in this case. Why did General decide to go across the street in public and consequently run the risk of ridicule/getting embroiled in politics when it would have been easier to just make a phone call and keep this stuff out of the public domain.

And having done it in the public domain, why did SBR then publish their 'theft' article so as to then leave General out in the cold and giving ammunition to Kenny to be able to say: 'Its their fault.'

I don't get why this has turned into a pissing ccompetition, other than supposition that's already out there.

[MBENZ]

Oddsmaker has my complete support and confidence and I, The Shrink, personally guarantee Oddsmaker when it comes to game fairness, player support, customer service. And cashing out too!

So go ahead, sit back, put your feet up, relax and feel comfortable in taking Oddsmaker.com up on one of their generous offers. I, The Shrink, personally guarantee you will not be dissapointed.

Thanks, The Shrink, EOG.COM[/b]

Straight from the horses mouth.^^^

[durito]

hmm, 100% bonus, & juicy lines. no wonder they have to steal.

[ICE-BLOOD]

keep strong jimmymac24

fvck that 'put it to rest' stuff`, you're talking about 8k+

they gotta pay or have a real good excuse for not paying

a weak excuse for not paying will ruin their reputation

[miss_gorgeous]

Keep the faith!

[KingRevolver]

Watch him get a check then the U.S. govt decides to freeze their accounts and the check bounces. That'd be some fvcked up shit.

[SBR_John]

If you read the shrinks posts this morning on eog it appears to me at least that he is going to rule against me. Thats the feel i get from his newest post. Either way i want to put this whole mess to rest. It has grown into a much bigger issue than it should have. A simple situation where i forwarded an email to my dad has ballooned into something it never was.

I hope i am wrong but reading his new post he seems to hint at this outcome.

Although Ken goes through great lengths to sound like he has control over Oddsmaker he is not the owner, he just takes their money to promote them.

Eventually they will pay you. Your brothers in arms are moving in on that scam book and the promoter with torches a blazing. Ken sees it, he knows he will be the biggest loser in this if you are not paid. Keep the faith, you will be paid or there will be a lot of ashes out there.

[Kaiser Jacob]

Does eog have any credibility after this?

[durito]

JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

written June 22, 2009

First off, special thanks to the following people who I reached out to for help in resolving this dispute:

1: JIMMYMAC
2: ODDSMAKER
3: Anthony Stewart
4: The OSGA, specifically Jim
5: Stephen
6: Jay C
7: SBR/The General

Overview:

A player named JIMMYMAC was profiled carefully by Oddsmaker to have met their criteria to receive an extremely generous bonus in the hopes that he would eventually deposit real money with their sports book.

Oddsmaker only sends this offer out to a very limited number of players via email and it is called a VIP BONUS. Specifically, the recipient is offered a 500 dollar FREE PLAY without having to make a deposit. There are no strings attached except to meet a rollover requirement and wait 30 days before cashing out..

Given that this is a very dangerous offer that can be costly, many people try to abuse it. The sports book is able to detect fraud or abuse by requesting the player to call a specific 800 phone number and by asking the player to request to talk to an "Anthony Stewart."

What followed has been fairly well established on the forums and also by SBR/The General's report...

1: The player rolled the $500 dollar free play into $8400 dollars.

2. The player DELIBERATELY tried to ABUSE the BONUS that was meant exclusively for him by sharing it with his Father... I use the word "deliberate" because he meticulously went through the plan of signing up online an additional VIP account using his Father. Then, after the account was established, neither the player nor his Father tried calling Antony Stewart or the 800 number that was provided on the email....

For if they had used the traceable number provided on the original email or the name that was required, they knew they'd be caught. Also I believe had they done this with honest intentions, they would have called Anthony directly to ask for his approval ...

Rather, they tried to get an extra 500 dollar FREE PLAY by calling another toll free customer support number in the hopes that the clerk wouldn't know the difference.

3. The player got caught. At first he lied to Oddsmaker about his foiled attempt to abuse the bonus that was meant only for him, but the truth eventually came to light... Oddsmaker has proof to back all of this by the additional online application and tapes. Additionally, SBR (The General) also agreed with this finding in his report.

Conclusion:

Most sports books have rules and regulations that are clearly posted on their website. Oddsmaker is no exception. What I find disturbing is that the majority of players don't bother reading the rules and regulations before getting involved with a sports book.

For example, many sports books have a very controversial rule that I don't agree with so I avoid these books. It's called the "WISEGUY RULE" which virtually gives them a license to steal if they believe you are in collusion with one or more other players.

Now back to ODDSMAKER....

If Oddsmaker doesn't have a rule on their web site that addresses this scenario, then the sports book cannot take away a player's winnings, period...

Simply because he lied, or he was rude or he attacked them on posting forums are not grounds to take way a player's hard earned winnings...

But what about Bonus Abuse?

Lets review the terms and conditions that Oddsmaker does have listed on their website quite clearly...

http://www.oddsmaker.com/terms.php

If you scroll to the bottom and look under the sub header titled "BONUS ABUSE," I believe they have 10 paragraphs of terms and conditions.

The one I find paramount to this case can be found in paragraph #4, second sentence...

Professional players or PLAYERS CONSIDERED TO BE ABUSING THE BONUS SYSTEM BY ANY MEANS may have bonuses revoked and be subject to further sanctions, at the discretion of OddsMaker.com management.

Like it or not, the above sentence which is clearly found under their rules, apply here. The player was indeed "considered to be abusing the bonus system," even though he got caught doing so. If a robber gets caught trying to rob a bank but gets caught in the act, he is still guilty of ROBBERY...

It's not at all about whether someone likes the rule...

But rules, just like laws are enforceable...

I personally think that jay walking and smoking pot are silly laws, but try telling that to a Judge...

Therefore, I rule in favor of ODDSMAKER....

They have the rules to back them up.

THE SHRINK

What a ****ing scumbag. I think i have some new accounts to open.

[jimmymac24]

I just read the final verdict and have to say i am not surprised but still disappointed. What was a simple thing got blown out of proportion. My Dad and I never colluded to try and get a second bonus period. I forwarded him the email and he is not sharp enough to do what the shrink thinks he did. The reason he called the non vip number was because he opened his account and saw the number on the main page and called it not knowing there was a difference between vip or non vip,etc. Its a joke that people think we had this master plan to get another 500.

I told him about my bonus and he thought oddsmaker was looking for new customers and maybe they would give him that bonus or another one. I would never think they would be stupid enough to give him my same bonus thinking it was me. It is 2009 and you would think a book would have the technology to track their bonus offers and when one is used the system erases that code,etc.... My dad was looking for his own bonus not knowing that my offer was specific to me and that they would not offer anything to anyone else. I have referred friends to other books in the past and received a bonus for that.

Bottom line is this is an excuse to not pay me. in my opinion it is about ego and stubborness. the guy i argued with is high up at the book and made sure they did not give in.

Its a shame the shrink sided with oddsmaker but i can understand his conflict of interest and the tough position he was in.

What i have told is the entire truth. Because of others actions the book seems paranoid that everyone is trying to screw them over and manipulate their bonuses. anyone who knew me and my dad would laugh at the notion we would do that.

I appreciate the help either way.

Jimmy Mac

[NEP Dynasty]

What a joke.

[jimmymac24]

And one other interesting point in this whole case is that my dad opened an account and called the main number on saturday. I did not hear from them that i broke a rule until thursday AFTER i got my account up to 8400. Oddsmaker is as i said before a scam book. stay away.

They had a chance to make it right and choose not too. I hope you guys on here will rise up and boycott this book.

Thx for all your support along the way.

[The Prick]

unreal. kinda sad that i aint much surprised by the "verdict"

[englishmike]

Absolute fukkin travesty. Scam decision carried out by scam aribitrator, fukk Oddsmaker. Bump a scam thread every fukkin day.

[NEP Dynasty]

And one other interesting point in this whole case is that my dad opened an account and called the main number on saturday. I did not hear from them that i broke a rule until thursday AFTER i got my account up to 8400. Oddsmaker is as i said before a scam book. stay away.

They had a chance to make it right and choose not too. I hope you guys on here will rise up and boycott this book.

Thx for all your support along the way.

Scam boook. Scam arbitrator.

[durito]

Someone wake up JJ, we need a video.

[englishmike]

They should have a scam thread stickied to the top of the fukkin page. This is theft, nothing less.

[Bread]

Wow....very sorry for your misfortune Jimmy Mac.

Like I stated earlier, I am instructing a couple friends to clear the hell out of that crap book. What a bunch of buffoons.

[pavyracer]

Shrink what a tool! This is like reading the verdict at a military court martial in Gitmo and your name is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

Shrink pay the man his winnings and then boot him. He was not abusing the system when his was making winning bets.

I have lost all respect for The Shrink. He is not fair at all.

[Bill Dozer]

I'm not surprised that Oddsmaker wouldn't pay. That's not a new problem. I'm not surprised that a forum couldn't get their sponsor to pay. A few months ago it was SBGglobal stiffing players. I am surprised that someone else is actually trying to validate the reason Oddsmaker used for confiscating the player's winnings. In all the forum defensive responses, including the rookie project, I can't think of a bigger stretch. Even Oddsmaker themselves didn't think it was enough and added argument about him being rude and that being a big part of it.

[The Prick]

even kenny gotta believe this dude should get paid. he got no real options tho.....1.) oddsmaker wasnt ever gonna pay the dude, so let the forum rats know you side w/player an piss off yer biggest sponsor by callin 'em (accurately) a shitbook. 2.) side w/player then oddsmaker tells everybody to pound sand, then kenny got no rep an no sponsor. or last and worst c.) side with the book. everybody forgets everythin in about 10 minutes so plenty more sheep ta send. anybody postin over there is accesory after that fact to sodomy.

[MBENZ]

even kenny gotta believe this dude should get paid. he got no real options tho.....1.) oddsmaker wasnt ever gonna pay the dude, so let the forum rats know you side w/player an piss off yer biggest sponsor by callin 'em (accurately) a shitbook. 2.) side w/player then oddsmaker tells everybody to pound sand, then kenny got no rep an no sponsor. or last and worst c.) side with the book. everybody forgets everythin in about 10 minutes so plenty more sheep ta send. anybody postin over there is accesory after that fact to sodomy.

Nobody seems to understand that stink only promotes shit books and backs them to the end,all for his undying love of a dollar.

[SBR_John]

Do not blame The Shrink.

He did not stiff anyone. The guys in the industry know exactly how the call went down. Shrink called the book and pleaded with them to pay. A few days were needed and more pleading. They said no. They told The Shrink to find in their favor. The Shrink would have LOVED to have some breaking news that he got the player paid. But, the book decided that was a lot of coin and they stole it fair and square. So The Shrink had no choice but to side with the scam.

[AgainstAllOdds]

Do not blame The Shrink.

He did not stiff anyone. The guys in the industry know exactly how the call went down. Shrink called the book and pleaded with them to pay. A few days were needed and more pleading. They said no. They told The Shrink to find in their favor. The Shrink would have LOVED to have some breaking news that he got the player paid. But, the book decided that was a lot of coin and they stole it fair and square. So The Shrink had no choice but to side with the scam.

John you have to blame Shrink here. He promotes them 100% and stands behind there decisions. Just because they didnt allow him to pay the player doesnt mean he isnt part of the scam.

[durito]

Had I ruled in favor of the player this time, I am quite confident Oddsmaker would have paid out again as 8400 dollars is peanuts to them!

This gets worse by the minute. I'm gonna go sign up at oddsmaker and run up to 10k and see if they pay me.

[SBR_John]

John you have to blame Shrink here. He promotes them 100% and stands behind there decisions. Just because they didnt allow him to pay the player doesnt mean he isnt part of the scam.

Yea I know the arguement, I might of even invented it.

But people need to understand the truth. Ken has no power over a sponsor. I am sure he did his best to get the player paid. But when the book said no, the advertiser (Ken) goes to plan B.

In most blatant scam cases the book will pay. But Oddsmaker has so many scam cases I think they thought one more wont hurt, at least not as much as paying out the 84 hundred.

[andywend]

Right, and that's an often overlooked point with these bonus offers. You hear others say "ah it was free cash so it's not as bad" but almost everyone targeted with these offers are active bettors. You get a letter saying come put your bets in with us risk free, then cap your games as usual. If you are unlucky enough to get lucky during that streak when using the promo...it really stings.

Bill,
If JimmyMac is indeed an active bettor, one would assume he knew about Oddsmaker and the B.S. they are always pulling with paying out on this promotion.

I'm certainly NOT trying in any way to justify what Oddsmaker did as its outright theft, plain and simple.

As I stated earlier, I took advantage of a $200 promotion from Oddsmaker last year and I knew full well that cashing out would be difficult if NOT impossible.

If JimmyMac indeed placed hs normal bets with Oddsmaker as opposed to other online accounts and went on the huge roll, it most certainly is unfortunate.

[MBENZ]

Do not blame The Shrink.

He did not stiff anyone. The guys in the industry know exactly how the call went down. Shrink called the book and pleaded with them to pay. A few days were needed and more pleading. They said no. They told The Shrink to find in their favor. The Shrink would have LOVED to have some breaking news that he got the player paid. But, the book decided that was a lot of coin and they stole it fair and square. So The Shrink had no choice but to side with the scam.

Whos dick you pulling,his full guarentee is posted above.?'Put your feet up and relax" should be "bend over and spread em".I don't know why you defend that idiot.

[SBR_John]

Whos dick you pulling,his full guarentee is posted above.?'Put your feet up and relax" should be "bend over and spread em".I don't know why you defend that idiot.

I'm just saying its the sportsbook Oddsmaker that stiffed the player not Ken. Maybe Ken is gulity of pretending to be a judge and running interference for the scam, ect. But its still Oddsmaker that is the stiff and not Ken.

[themajormt]

The problem is Ken is claiming to be for the player and that is the problem John. He is almost as bad as the scam book. His decision is written so that it makes it look like the book was justified and the player deliberately was scamming a $500 bonus. "Oddsmaker has proff to back this up..." To the non-suspecting person this makes it look like what they did was OK. And it was FAR from that...

[AgainstAllOdds]

Okay John, lets just say Shrink is not the one stiffing the player. However, he is the one taking money from a book that just scammed a player. He is still defrauding the player here by continuing to show support for the book even though the book is scamming. In my opinion they are in the same boat.


Everyone knows whose bread is getting buttered here.

[MBENZ]

I'm just saying its the sportsbook Oddsmaker that stiffed the player not Ken. Maybe Ken is gulity of pretending to be a judge and running interference for the scam, ect. But its still Oddsmaker that is the stiff and not Ken.

How many players do you think were sucked in by his endorsement not knowing what he is?The guy is a flimflam artist and does hold some responsibility in this scam that occurred today.He guarenteed that shithole of a book,maybe he could save some face by paying Jimmy something or take the banner and stick it where the sun don't shine.

[durito]

Why are the only people on oddsmakers side employees of EOG?

Shouldn't at least someone else be taking their side? Of course not, since they are 100% wrong. The logic mofo is using is absurd.

[Bill Dozer]

Bill,
If JimmyMac is indeed an active bettor, one would assume he knew about Oddsmaker and the B.S. they are always pulling with paying out on this promotion.

I'm certainly NOT trying in any way to justify what Oddsmaker did as its outright theft, plain and simple.

As I stated earlier, I took advantage of a $200 promotion from Oddsmaker last year and I knew full well that cashing out would be difficult if NOT impossible.

If JimmyMac indeed placed hs normal bets with Oddsmaker as opposed to other online accounts and went on the huge roll, it most certainly is unfortunate.

It would be hard to guess, probably even for the player, if he would have made the exact bets elsewhere. I know other Oddsmaker.com players who were stiffed on promo winnings said that was the case. We can hope Jimmy didn't cap his nights away during this period and fired off quickly to see where the free-play would lead. In the end, it's $8,500 that that he should have been able to bank.

[SBR_John]

AAO, Mbenz, durito,

Yes all good points. This is just one of may scams this book has pulled over many years and different names. No doubt as AAO sates that indeed the EOG is promoting a scam. But thats a buyer beware gig. Oddsmaker is the real scammer here.

Dorito I hate to see Mofo backing the boss in the most obvious. Ken would have been very smart to say Mo let me take all the heat on this one. It would pass. Now Mofo is also damaged goods by backing this obvious scam. I blame Ken for not protecting him. You dont let your employees take the fall like that. If you are going to back a scam then do it alone.