Did ODDSMAKER.com make a poor decision regarding this complaint?

[SBR Lou]

Why did SBR continue with the smear campaign of OddsMaker when OddsMaker hadn't reached a decision on whether the player would be paid or not. Negotiations were still under way. Looks like that's thrown out the window with SBR's front page article.

Definition of smear: a usually unsubstantiated charge or accusation against a person or organization.

Facts

• Player accepts $500 Free Play, runs up over $8K.
• Player informs third party details about free play. Whatever third party does or doesn't do with free play is irrelevant at this point. It has no bearing on the bets that were accepted and the free play which was successfully rolled over.
• Player and Oddsmaker split hairs, Oddsmaker looks to stiff and player contacts SBR for assistance.

General Pete did an excellent job assembling the facts and I won't attempt to further reiterate points he made, I couldn't help but address the questionable nature of your post on the off chance any lurker reading might take you seriously.

[Mr. D]

Good to see that Raiders is back on the payroll over there. His cut and paste skills are unsurpassed. As is his ability to embrace total and complete nonsense, even suggesting that he believes it. He fits in very nicely there.

[durito]

Good to see that Raiders is back on the payroll over there. His cut and paste skills are unsurpassed. As is his ability to embrace total and complete nonsense, even suggesting that he believes it. He fits in very nicely there.

[jimmymac24]

guys i appreciate all the support and I would never have been so aggressive in pursuing this if I did not know I was in the right. Its about the principle of it more than even the money.

Everything just go blown out of proportion on the whole dad thing. I mean jesus i forwarded the email to him and he opened an account and emailed them to try and get the same deal or maybe another deal. They ignored his requests and my dad never received anything.I never opened a second account myself as I know its not allowed at any book.

I am just so frustrated that this may end like this. Its a total joke.

funny thing is they got my name off a betonsports list of big players and this is how they treat a potential vip. I had hoped up until today that it would get resolved. that is looking less likely now.

[j0hnnyv]

hang in there jimmy. u obviously got screwed. and for oddsmaker to be shown that much respect as a solid out across the street is ridiculous. case is cut and dry.

[jimmymac24]

Thx johnny. its a bunch of bs. untold story what a joke that is.

[The Prick]

fackin thievin bastages covered by fackin thievin BoS shill OSGA copied by fackin thievin BoS shill fackin raiders an SBR cost this guy? Bold- ass lyin koksokkers

[reno cool]

just excuses. I appreciate how the general tried to be real nice about. In case by chance it could make some difference.

[Casperwaits]

You've got to be kidding me. These are beyond absurd. It should read: Tips for dealing with scam books. None of that would make the slightest difference with a legitimate book.

I read these rules and could not agree with Durito more. I don't give a rats ass if I call a sportsbook, curse out ALL their employees, piss on their front door, and f**k the owners wife. The fact is HE WON THE MONEY FAIR AND SQUARE. His dad NEVER capitalized on this promotional thing. By this book not paying him, the money they will lose is more than the money they refuse to pay out. I have a sneaking suspicion every time this scambook is mentioned, it will be in a bad life. Very poor decision on thier part.

[SBR_John]

Good to see that Raiders is back on the payroll over there. His cut and paste skills are unsurpassed. As is his ability to embrace total and complete nonsense, even suggesting that he believes it. He fits in very nicely there.

A trash book with trash supporters. They will make up excuses why they wont pay and their supporters will try to justify their stiffing ways. The whole group is nothing more than dancing trash clowns all on the take cuting up the stolen money. The robbed player should continue his crusade and the SBR faithful should help this brother out with posts on other forums and whever you can be heard. Next time the trash clowns could be robbing you. Be active, stop this scam and help out your fellow player!

[j0hnnyv]

if this ruling is offical and he is not getting paid it sets a terrible precedent. for them across the street to not back the player here is just despicable. the general did a bangup job.

[unde0087]

This has to be one of the biggest jokes I have ever seen. Oddmaker sounds like a Mickey Mouse operation after reading all the info. I have never even heard of this book. I guess I remember getting shit from them but always deleted their shit spam.

Keep it up Jimmy, the more you post the more business they will lose. So them thinking they can just stiff you and get away with it will cripple their mickey mouse operation.

[PAPSMEAR]

I'd like to give this book a papsmear with a garden rake thieving swine germs

[reno cool]

I doubt how much they care. Prey on the unsuspecting. No one who pays attention here would deposit there anyway.

[MBENZ]

fackin thievin bastages covered by fackin thievin BoS shill OSGA copied by fackin thievin BoS shill fackin raiders an SBR cost this guy? Bold- ass lyin koksokkers

BOS strikes again,I think Raiders is caught between a rock and a hard place.

raiders72001
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 16,550



Quote:
Originally Posted by Peep
EOG looks bad regardless.

They knew of this theft weeks ago. We all did. They should have looked into it then, if only to clear Oddsmaker's name.

But they did nothing but cash checks from Oddsmaker. Let's not pretend they didn't know, Ken reads other forums religously. But they did nothing.

SBR called a thief a thief. We have all been through Ken's "investigations" before, including the disappearance of unfavorable threads about books at his sites. You may remember the Little NASA one. The Bodog one was another, Ken has always known where his bread is buttered.

SBR is no saint. They know where their bread is buttered too. But this is all irrelevant. Right now, Ken is taking money from a crooked book. That is what is so.

agree

[jjgold]

This is a disgrace

That have to be an F book

[MBENZ]

This is a disgrace

That have to be an F book

That's what makes threads like this valuable,I don't care where these type books fly there banner,a shit book should be exsposed everytime.Give the players a fighting chance instead of being blindsided by the likes of BOS or Cascade.

[Bread]

I actually have a couple of friends who still play there recreationally. I will be sure to forward these threads to them and insist that they get out of there immediately. Complete bullshit.

[sickler]

A trash book with trash supporters. They will make up excuses why they wont pay and their supporters will try to justify their stiffing ways. The whole group is nothing more than dancing trash clowns all on the take cuting up the stolen money. The robbed player should continue his crusade and the SBR faithful should help this brother out with posts on other forums and whever you can be heard. Next time the trash clowns could be robbing you. Be active, stop this scam and help out your fellow player!

It might help if this thread was also in the Sportsbooks & Industry section. I believe it once was on both boards.

Hope this isn't a veiled attempt to bury it, for whatever reason.

[Chuck Sims]

Oddsmaker.com are thieves. Stay away or you may be next to get your account balance zeroed out.

OSGA is a shill for croked sportsbooks. This has been proven time and time again.

[BadNina]

Dear General Petey,

You are doing a great job. It is obvious to me that this poor guy is getting ripped off. I went to EOG and read the threads there about this too. And even if he is your friend, Ken is being a monkey's ass, letting his ego and bank account blind himfrom that fact. Shoot...if I can see that, a blind man could. Just wanted to give you a positive post.

Hugs & kisses,

Nina

[topcat]

Yet another reason why the hypocritical US Govt (of any persuasion) should revisit the issue of legalising online gambling.

Some of this 8K might have found its way into the economy, as would billions more if it was possible to have funds back in the bank within 24 hours from legit, regulated buisnesess based onshore.

truer words couldnt never have been spoken.eventhough we have books like the greek,and 5dimes there are many more bad books.if books in vegas where alowed to take on customers in the usa.this would be a great revenue for health care.this is a dumb country so i duobt this would ever happen,

[topcat]

Dear General Petey,

You are doing a great job. It is obvious to me that this poor guy is getting ripped off. I went to EOG and read the threads there about this too. And even if he is your friend, Ken is being a monkey's ass, letting his ego and bank account blind himfrom that fact. Shoot...if I can see that, a blind man could. Just wanted to give you a positive post.

Hugs & kisses,

Nina

i have always hated dirty,but general is a classy guy,and he looks out for the best interest of the player.

[BadNina]

and Ken has always been polite to my face. I don't go there that often, especially not much at all since Sporty and Swede stopped posting there. Although I really like Texasfan. I just thought that Ken seems a bit offended in some of his postings on this and was acting like he had hurt feelings.

[The General]

Dear General Petey,

You are doing a great job. It is obvious to me that this poor guy is getting ripped off. I went to EOG and read the threads there about this too. And even if he is your friend, Ken is being a monkey's ass, letting his ego and bank account blind himfrom that fact. Shoot...if I can see that, a blind man could. Just wanted to give you a positive post.

Hugs & kisses,

Nina

Thanks Nina. I appreciate your hugs and kisses. I do not desire INTERNET arguments nor fighting. Wish my children death or refer to my grandmother as a whore, I can ignore. I can walk away or turn an eye. I can be the better man. Everyone involved knows this about me. I like to think I have outgrown that behavior and matured a lot over the years. We're suppose to as we get older I was taught. I really try and not judge others either no matter our differences.

I may be presuming wrong here, but it feels to me like several other posters (over time) from my past on the forums try and rattle me into some form of these INTERNET battles. Somehow it can serve as justification for their own shortcomings [The lack of ability to exhibit the professionalism which I proudly maintain]. I'm 40 years old now with 3 children [a son of 22, 16 and daughter of 7] and a real nice family. I'd have a real tough time asking of others, family or friends, to try and act with dignity and professionalism if I weren't trying myself to set the example. Relevant or not, it is what it is.

To clarify an assumption out there, No one from SBR directed me to do anything regarding this complaint. Bill distributes complaints and the guys who work on them try and find resolve via their own methods. I did what I was told, yes. This is true in that I did make contact with the sports book attempting to get cooperation on this case. That is the extent of any direction given.

After I received this complaint, just like a hundred others since I came on board here, I ran with it, doing what I do when I am asked for help. Upon receipt of Oddsmaker's final response, I forwarded to the newswire. I handled this poorly. I can accept that, apologize and take all blame for my errors. I am not above taking responsibility for my actions nor accepting any humility that may come from my mistakes. I know how important these traits are to achieve honest and serene [Calm, peaceful and tranquil] living.

With that said and now behind us, JimmyMac is still in the same boat. Either Oddsmaker will pay him or they will not. We will move onto the next case. As always, we'll only win around 50% of these complaints anyhow.

Finally, This needed reported and more importantly, if SBR is to be blamed for JimmyMac not being paid, then SBR is also to be blamed for serving notice to other players who may see the report and possibly bypass having a similar situation apply to them in the future.

I am hopeful SHRINK can assist in getting JimmyMac paid. And I am hopeful both portals will move forward as in the past and not harbor ill-will nor bitterness toward each other.

Semper Fi

[andywend]

I wouldn't be surprised if there are over 100 cases just like JimmyMac's regarding Oddsmaker and that free promotion.

Oddsmaker has came up with some real doozies in order to NOT pay those that have run up the free play promotion.

JimmyMac, don't think for a second that your actions caused you not to be paid. You could have acted like Mother Teresa and the end result would have been the same of you getting stiffed by Oddsmaker.

With all this being said, I'm not sure what the actual damages are as I assume JimmyMac never had any money at risk.

If all he did was take advantage of the free $500 given to him by Oddsmaker without ever making an actual cash deposit, then I don't believe his case carries the same weight as a bettor who actually put funds at risk and got cheated out of his winnings.

I took advantage of a $200 Oddsmaker free play promotion KNOWING their reputation about stiffing winners and I have the feeling JimmyMac accepted his $500 knowing the same thing. I would bet he treated the $500 kind of like "monopoly money" and bet accordingly.

I'm sure many people who post in this forum know what I mean about the "monopoly money" syndrome. You have a balance at a sportsbook and you later find out they never process customer withdrawals so you're willing to take on much more riskier bets than you would at a reputable sportsbook.

[headgames]

The complaints they have against him have absolutely no bearing on the action they accepted on his account and the fact he managed to create his $8000+ balance. The sportsbook suffered loss in terms of his account being profitable yet they've decided to engage in behaviour which will create more loss for them because of the publicity that will surround the kind of no-pay complaint they've created.

As for damages, I would argue that the wagers I make with free cash could be made with my own cash so when I don't get paid profit on free cash wagers, I have lost out. If I wanted to wager with pretend money that could never create profit, I'd just write my wagers down on a notepad!

[Bill Dozer]

agers I make with free cash could be made with my own cash so when I don't get paid profit on free cash wagers, I have lost out. If I wanted to wager with pretend money that could never create profit, I'd just write my wagers down on a notepad!

Right, and that's an often overlooked point with these bonus offers. You hear others say "ah it was free cash so it's not as bad" but almost everyone targeted with these offers are active bettors. You get a letter saying come put your bets in with us risk free, then cap your games as usual. If you are unlucky enough to get lucky during that streak when using the promo...it really stings.

[jimmymac24]

I agree that its not just free money to me. Had i not opened the account with oddsmaker i would have had that streak in another account and got paid. I stopped playing in my other account at another book. So yes this still stinks.

[KingRevolver]

You think I can borrow some money, Jimmy?

[ICE-BLOOD]

sticky situation for those involved , mods, book advertisers, and website owners. Hope these guys can iron out their differences and get back to assisting players.

Also hope oddsmaker does the right thing and pays this guy to boost my confidence of smaller offshore books

[KingRevolver]

You know oddsmaker is like, "He tricked me! All night, he check, check, check!" Hopefully in the end they say, "Pay that man...pay that man his moooooooooney."

[englishmike]

Thanks Nina. I appreciate your hugs and kisses. I do not desire INTERNET arguments nor fighting. Wish my children death or refer to my grandmother as a whore, I can ignore. I can walk away or turn an eye. I can be the better man. Everyone involved knows this about me. I like to think I have outgrown that behavior and matured a lot over the years. We're suppose to as we get older I was taught. I really try and not judge others either no matter our differences.

I may be presuming wrong here, but it feels to me like several other posters (over time) from my past on the forums try and rattle me into some form of these INTERNET battles. Somehow it can serve as justification for their own shortcomings [The lack of ability to exhibit the professionalism which I proudly maintain]. I'm 40 years old now with 3 children [a son of 22, 16 and daughter of 7] and a real nice family. I'd have a real tough time asking of others, family or friends, to try and act with dignity and professionalism if I weren't trying myself to set the example. Relevant or not, it is what it is.

To clarify an assumption out there, No one from SBR directed me to do anything regarding this complaint. Bill distributes complaints and the guys who work on them try and find resolve via their own methods. I did what I was told, yes. This is true in that I did make contact with the sports book attempting to get cooperation on this case. That is the extent of any direction given.

After I received this complaint, just like a hundred others since I came on board here, I ran with it, doing what I do when I am asked for help. Upon receipt of Oddsmaker's final response, I forwarded to the newswire. I handled this poorly. I can accept that, apologize and take all blame for my errors. I am not above taking responsibility for my actions nor accepting any humility that may come from my mistakes. I know how important these traits are to achieve honest and serene [Calm, peaceful and tranquil] living.

With that said and now behind us, JimmyMac is still in the same boat. Either Oddsmaker will pay him or they will not. We will move onto the next case. As always, we'll only win around 50% of these complaints anyhow.

Finally, This needed reported and more importantly, if SBR is to be blamed for JimmyMac not being paid, then SBR is also to be blamed for serving notice to other players who may see the report and possibly bypass having a similar situation apply to them in the future.

I am hopeful SHRINK can assist in getting JimmyMac paid. And I am hopeful both portals will move forward as in the past and not harbor ill-will nor bitterness toward each other.

Semper Fi

Totally sympathise with your plight.

[durito]

I think I feel like signing up at oddsmaker through an EOG link

[jimmymac24]

If you read the shrinks posts this morning on eog it appears to me at least that he is going to rule against me. Thats the feel i get from his newest post. Either way i want to put this whole mess to rest. It has grown into a much bigger issue than it should have. A simple situation where i forwarded an email to my dad has ballooned into something it never was.

I hope i am wrong but reading his new post he seems to hint at this outcome.