Lost around $34,000 at pinnacle.

[Booya711]

Low blow.

I wish what? You're a clown. Booya was legitimately insulting me by comparing me to you.

I wasn't comparing anyone....you just had the post # wrong greaser

[franklee168]

If he provides public screenshots ( Which I do not endorse)
Adjusted line
Yes+210
No-255

It will be a pic of kickshootthrow with a beard.

[reigle9]

I wish what? You're a clown. Booya was legitimately insulting me by comparing me to you.

Wtf are you talking about?

1. How am I a clown? I don't even remotely know you.
2. No, he wasn't.

[mcfugly]

Opening odds:

Total bullshit -20000
True +5800

[grease lightnin]

Wtf are you talking about?

1. How am I a clown? I don't even remotely know you.
2. No, he wasn't.

Well I had no idea who you were until a couple of months ago, out of nowhere, you posted

He's one of the dumbest people I've ever seen post. Literally every post is...wtf?

It sucks cause James Dean was goat.

Since then, I have paid attention to your posts and learned that you are a mega clown.

I realized later what booya meant, but I still take offense.

[Sam Odom]

[blowjoe2020]

Again, the deposit wasn't revoked -- no one willfully charged anything back. It was made due to clerical error. Throughout the thread, you've stated that deposits getting pulled back happen all the time and it's just the way people do business. I think that's: a) inapplicable in this case, and b) a load of BS. A processor must verify, and a book must use only processors that it knows verifies. If a book wants to roll the dice by accepting processors who don't verify, they don't deserve a free roll on each bad/incorrect desposit. Pretty simple.

I've never heard it put any better evo34. Mr. Optional is acting like sportsbooks like Pinnacle puts unverified money into their client's accounts all the time, and then if the third party processors turn around and say the deposit was "not good" then they steal the client's winnings!
LOL Even if this is true, then How How do we know Pinnacle isn't in collusion with instadebit and it's other processors?
How could we EVER know that a S-book wasn't going to put our deposit in our account and then Jack us out of our winnings after we won, simply by saying the deposit wasn't any good?

[blowjoe2020]

How does Pinnacle allow you to bet money that they never actually receive?

LOL I don't know Plaza23, but If they put money into a client's account before they actually receive it, & let the client gamble it, and then later say they never received it, and cheat the client out of his winnings, then that is absolutely absurd to me!

[calvin34242]

how are u able to keep sending money over and over to pinnacle while you are waiting for the initial bank verification to clear, don't u have to wait til they verify your bank are u saying instadebit let's u deposit on good faith while the confirmation process is in effet

[Optional]

Again, the deposit wasn't revoked -- no one willfully charged anything back. It was made due to clerical error. Throughout the thread, you've stated that deposits getting pulled back happen all the time and it's just the way people do business. I think that's: a) inapplicable in this case, and b) a load of BS. A processor must verify, and a book must use only processors that it knows verifies. If a book wants to roll the dice by accepting processors who don't verify, they don't deserve a free roll on each bad/incorrect desposit. Pretty simple.

I think you are confused about which side was potentially free rolling the other Evo.


How do you know no one willfully did anything or not?

Is it not reasonable to say if it can be explained and fixed then the book will look at it?

What exactly are you demanding? That Pinny should pay now because you know this new player who opened the new book account, opened the new payment processor account and did 9 max deposits to to play the casino which were not honored is 100% legit and it's all Pinny's fault and they are the one taking a shot? Is that seriously your position Evo? You're talking like an ignorant idiot.


As I said to your halfwit mate singing the same song... the OP does not need you talking all sorts of shit on his behalf. He just needs to fix and explain the deposit issue. If he can't he wont be paid and should not be. That's it, nothing else to the story.

Leave it SBR. I don't know if this guy is legit or not any better than you do. Until that is decided anything else is moot.

[Plaza23]

LOL I don't know Plaza23, but If they put money into a client's account before they actually receive it, & let the client gamble it, and then later say they never received it, and cheat the client out of his winnings, then that is absolutely absurd to me!

It is to me also unless there's something I'm missing from the story. I understand another poster comparing this to check kiting, but you'd think a book wouldn't allow essentially "credit" to gamble on until they have the actual money in hand.

[blowjoe2020]

It is to me also unless there's something I'm missing from the story. I understand another poster comparing this to check kiting, but you'd think a book wouldn't allow essentially "credit" to gamble on until they have the actual money in hand.

Once again plaza, I totally agree! And that's ALL I have EVER tried to say here! I'm not on anybody's "side"! I'll say it again, and it is unarguable! If a sportsbook puts money in your account, then it is GOOD right then! AND ready to gamble right then!
If ANY Sports-book client has money put into their account by the Sports-book, then if it isn't good STARTING RIGHT THEN, Then when the hell would a client EVER know for sure that it WAS good??!!
LOL And that's the end of this story!

[blowjoe2020]

I'm not on anybody's "side" Mr Optional, all I know, and all you know, is that this Huang guy had money put into his account by Pinnacle, AND THEN, at a later time, AFTER he won big, Pinnacle voided his winnings on the money that THEY put in his account!

Why did Pinnacle put money into a client's account and allow him to wager it BEFORE they knew if it was good or not?
They could do the same thing to ANY client that they wanted to! Put the deposit in and then later say the deposit wasn't "good" and then void the winnings! Every day and every night!
This is in no way acceptable and you know it.

[Ra77er]

What I've learned from this thread.

-If you bring the hay you get milk in a few weeks.
-It's a bad time to play BJ at pinnacle.
-SBR Reps stand behind a guilty verdict.
-Joe 20/20 is furiously still preaching.

[calvin34242]

more likely to happen this guy gets his winnings or san francisco 49ers and cleveland browns both win on the same week

[blowjoe2020]

What I've learned from this thread.

-If you bring the hay you get milk in a few weeks.
-It's a bad time to play BJ at pinnacle.
-SBR Reps stand behind a guilty verdict.
-Joe 20/20 is furiously still preaching.

LOL Yes I'm "still preaching" I know I am beating that dead horse LOL Because I can't believe this!!

I can't believe that there was money put into this guy's account, and after he won, then it turned out to be "phantom" money or "joke money" that they stole back! LOL

If Pinnacle puts money into a client's account that isn't real, then When will a client EVER know that money put into his account IS real??!! When will a client ever know that his balance ISN'T just Joke money! LOL

[Ra77er]

It's obvious he was pushing and hit it big and now they are playing the processor games.
Pinny making millions and now sweating over a small poker after dark pot worth of winnings.
Some of you guys bet that on 2 games on a Sunday and yet type up 40 responses to cry foul here.
If you run a book you know that kind of behavior, you also know tossing him this will probably end back up in your already overstuffed coffers.

He won't get paid as I already stated in #259 so its irrelevant. The thread is entertaining though.

[blowjoe2020]

Yes razz, I will beat a dead horse some more! LOL I can't believe that people are saying that he might have been trying to "free ride" or "scam" the Sportsbook!
For the tenth time, IF there is money put into a client's account, then it has to be good starting RIGHT THEN or the whole system is flawed and cheating can be rampant!
If there really is a way to get money into your account at Pinnacle, or any other S-book without really paying the funds, and then gamble it and see if you win a huge amount, and then if you do win, then you go deposit the money real fast so the deposit won't "bounce", then it is THEIR fault for allowing this to happen!
That whole scenario that I just described is absurd if it can really happen!
I have already told 2 of my S-books this, but If I ever deposit again, then I will plainly tell the manager, "Don't ever put money into my account that you might possibly steal back later! DON'T EVER put money into my account until it is good!"
To do otherwise would be ABSURD!!

[calvin34242]

can u imagine the precedent it would set if pinnacle paid out somebody winnings without ever actually receiving funds haha, they would be the most popular book in the world

[Ra77er]

ScottCalvin you tried to pay money to random internet strangers as a sign of goodwill..... gonna go on a limb and say you won't be getting any calls to be a pinnacle employee.

I'm not an idiot I understand that businesses need to protect themselves from fraud. Maybe this David D Huang guy has been some elusive criminal mastermind that sportsbooks all over have been chasing idk but guy signs up with his real name here and feels he has a legit case. I'd say its borderline.

[calvin34242]

whatever happens 1 thing is for sure instadebit and pinnacle have some explaining to do how or why they allowed somebody to keep making deposits with an unverified bank account

[grease lightnin]

Post 167 guys. Book it

[calvin34242]

i wish he started his story from the beginning i feel like we got the middle and the end but are missing key details of what happened from the start, would love to hear the procedure he went thru signing up to instadebit , is it possible that instadebit on good faith gives u like 5k avaliability while the bank verificiation process is in the works

[calvin34242]

fuk me hard with no lube why the bleep do i give a rats piss about what is going on in canada, i feel like i'm turning into jj gold always on this place i thought u got a betpoint for every post SHET

[blowjoe2020]

can u imagine the precedent it would set if pinnacle paid out somebody winnings without ever actually receiving funds haha, they would be the most popular book in the world

LOL What kind of "precedent" has Pinnacle already set by letting somebody gamble & win $34,000 without ever actually verifying or receiving the funds?

[Alfa1234]

Yes razz, I will beat a dead horse some more! LOL I can't believe that people are saying that he might have been trying to "free ride" or "scam" the Sportsbook!
For the tenth time, IF there is money put into a client's account, then it has to be good starting RIGHT THEN or the whole system is flawed and cheating can be rampant!
If there really is a way to get money into your account at Pinnacle, or any other S-book without really paying the funds, and then gamble it and see if you win a huge amount, and then if you do win, then you go deposit the money real fast so the deposit won't "bounce", then it is THEIR fault for allowing this to happen!
That whole scenario that I just described is absurd if it can really happen!
I have already told 2 of my S-books this, but If I ever deposit again, then I will plainly tell the manager, "Don't ever put money into my account that you might possibly steal back later! DON'T EVER put money into my account until it is good!"
To do otherwise would be ABSURD!!

Please, do deposit with a CC next time and have them hold it for 6months before crediting your account. And don't complain about it.

[blowjoe2020]

calvin says "is it possible that instadebit on good faith gives u like 5k avaliability while the bank verificiation process is in the works"


I say is it possible that Pinnacle puts money in client's accounts on the "good faith" stipulation that the funds are only good if instadebit says that they are good 3 days later??!!

[xKMACKx]

I've moved thousands of dollars between multiple books with Instadebit over the last ten years and never a problem. Hopefully it gets resolved.

[blowjoe2020]

Please, do deposit with a CC next time and have them hold it for 6months before crediting your account. And don't complain about it.

LOL Alpha, What the hell is your infatuation with c-cards when this thread is about instadebit? Are you obtuse or something?
Who said I'd ever use a c-card to fund an account? But WHATEVER method I used to deposit, if they put the money in my account before it is really verified or good, and then tell me later after I win $34,000 that the funds REALLY aren't good, and then they cheat me out of the winnings, then that would be absolutely absurd!
What part of that are you having a problem with?

[xKMACKx]

Short odds are this guy purposely transposed a number of the routing or account numbers. Took a shot, with the intention that he would act like it was a mistake if he hit, and then give them the correct info, hoping to collect. And if he lost, the plan was to walk away.

Long odds are that this guy made an honest mistake.

Fire holer is correct that it is strange that this guy emailed his bank account statements and ID's and everything "as a precaution". It is more likely that he only sent instadebit this email with the correct info after he hit pinny for the 34k

Correct.

[Alfa1234]

LOL Alpha, What the hell is your infatuation with c-cards when this thread is about instadebit? Are you obtuse or something?
Who said I'd ever use a c-card to fund an account? But WHATEVER method I used to deposit, if they put the money in my account before it is really verified or good, and then tell me later after I win $34,000 that the funds REALLY aren't good, and then they cheat me out of the winnings, then that would be absolutely absurd!
What part of that are you having a problem with?

We have been over this. It is IMPOSSIBLE for a bookie to be 100% certain they immediately have the money for most deposit methods, so unless you agree to them holding it for 6 months after you make the deposit, you need to stop arguing about it or tell me a way how a bookie can be 100% certain they have the money if a conventional deposit method was used (Bitcoin and wire transfer are about the only ones they can be 100% certain they have it).

[jjgold]

Pinny never has any issues why with this guy?

Something is being left out

[blowjoe2020]

Ok alpha, you are being intentionally obtuse. C-cards are instant as soon as they are approved (PLEASE don't start the B-S about possible charg-backs again, EVERY business on earth that accepts c-cards takes the risk of charg-backs! And you know that!) w-union is instant, M-grm is instant.
Stop being obtuse! Pinnacle accepted funds from a place called instadebit and then 3 days later instadebit claimed they didn't get the money and then pinnacle stole the guy's winnings! Where the hell did anybody say 6 months? Pinnacle should either honor winnings from instadebit money that they put into client's accounts or, tell client's that they have to wait 3 days for that type of deposit to clear!
How simple is that for them to do?
How simple is that for you to understand?

[blowjoe2020]

Any type of deposit that a sportsbook puts into a client's account BEFORE they are "100% certain that they have the money" then they sure as hell shouldn't be able to go back later and steal out the winnings!
All they had to do was NOT put the "uncertain" deposit into the account UNTIL it had cleared! And then tell the client to use another deposit method if they wanted the deposit ready to gamble immediately!

[Alfa1234]

The point is, it's IMPOSSIBLE to be 100% certain to have the money. Are you saying every time a deposit doesn't go through the sportsbook should honour the winnings with this money they never received?

There is no other way to do this, if the guy can prove he did everything he could to make sure the deposit went through and he can prove the fault lies with Instadebit I agree Pinnacle should pay...but there are simply too many ways a book can get scammed to "not" have this void all winnings rule in place because you can be certain that 99.5% of the time the client will try to scam the book.

M- and W-union aren't instant, they can be charged back if the money was sent by CC, same goes for almost every other deposit method. I "get" what you are saying but it's simply impossible to work that way. Almost every deposit method is "uncertain" for a while, up to 6 months, if there is a possibility of a credit card being involved anywhere in the process.