Lost around $34,000 at pinnacle.

[Sam Odom]

No. Verification deposit was good and two or three subsequent deposits were good.

Sammy knew that

however... if the verification deposit had failed would you have STILL sent Pinny 9 deposits?

(no need to answer) we know it

[calvin34242]

I'll answer the question. You want answers?
I think I'm entitled to them.
I want the truth!
You can't handle the truth!

[David Da Huang]

Surely they'd refund the deposits

Common sense. Of course they wouldn't refund the deposits if you lost. Founders of these sports gambling sites are billionaires like the bodog founder Calvin. If there were such oversight these founders won't be living the luxury playboy private jet life styles, because alot of people would do it.

[grease lightnin]

Greaser - you also post as reigle?

Low blow.

[horja1]

Surely they'd refund the deposits

They would track me down using my name, address and phone/email and tell me to pay up. If I don't pay they send you to the collections and your credit rating gets destroyed. Which means no house, car or good job for you.

he would still be here DEMANDING how to send his $$$ to Pinnacle

I updated my question: if he lost all the money he would have a negative balance (since deposits never cleared). Would Pinnacle ask him to make a deposit to cover the negative balance?

[grease lightnin]

greaser how many did you drink..thats post 167

Maybe 6?

[David Da Huang]

Common sense. Of course they wouldn't refund the deposits if you lost. Founders of these sports gambling sites are billionaires like the bodog founder Calvin. If there were such oversight these founders won't be living the luxury playboy private jet life styles, because alot of people would do it.

This ^


To elaborate. If you have a negative balance, they would block your account and send you a threatening email to pay them. If you don't pay you are sent to the collections. THEY HAVE A WHOLE SWOT TEAM. LOL

[Jayvegas420]

Providing that everything he has said is legit, it sounds like free rolling to me.
Player wins but deposit does not clear... they take your money.
Player loses but, deposit does not clear... they take your money.
Of this is truely the case, all they are doing is transferring the burden of responsibility to a third party, which they have chosen to use.

If the Op was aware that the verification deposit did not go through, then the player is at fault.

[RudyRuetigger]

david as I said earlier, let sbr handle it

if they give something you don't like, try another forum

no need to listen to posters

[Sam Odom]

David Da Huang = Manufactured poster by SBR Staff

Yes -115
No -105

[RudyRuetigger]

Providing that everything he has said is legit, it sounds like free rolling to me.
Player wins but deposit does not clear... they take your money.
Player loses but, deposit does not clear... they take your money.
Of this is truely the case, all they are doing is transferring the burden of responsibility to a third party, which they have chosen to use.

If the Op was aware that the verification deposit did not go through, then the player is at fault.

that's what it sounds like, but we don't have all the info

its a clear cut case with all the info

[Jayvegas420]

Rudy's right.
Don't listen to us.
Don't even read these last two posts.

[Jayvegas420]

David Da Huang = Manufactured poster by SBR Staff

Yes -115
No -105

If he provides public screenshots ( Which I do not endorse)
Adjusted line
Yes+210
No-255

[calvin34242]

were u continuing to make deposits to pinnacle after your initial verification deposit bounced, you said u made 9 deposits in a week it only takes 2-3 days to confirm the verification so u must have kept depositing knowing there was a problem

[evo34]

They would track me down using my name, address and phone/email and tell me to pay up. If I don't pay they send you to the collections and your credit rating gets destroyed. Which means no house, car or good job for you.

Wait, Pinnacle uses Canadian collection agencies and files reports to credit bureaus? Somehow I don't think so.

[calvin34242]

dumb it down for me please i'm just a dumb american but do u not have to have a successful verification deposit before you can start making real deposits into your sportsbooks account

[evo34]

So you are saying it is my fault for giving instadebit the correct bank account information, when Instadebit are the ones that failed to enter the correct bank account details. I did my duty for making it possible for Instadebit to make the deposit in order to verify my account and for all the transactions to go through.

You just lost all cred. If they told you you needed to verify your account, and you never did (no matter what the cause was), you shouldn't have assumed all was well. As I have said before, this is a three-way fault situation.

[evo34]

dumb it down for me please i'm just a dumb american but do u not have to have a successful verification deposit before you can start making real deposits into your sportsbooks account

That's the tale that people seem to be sticking with....even Optional, who for some reason thinks it's normal to pump funds somewhere without proper account verification.

[reigle9]

Low blow.

Christ, you wish.

[swordsandtequila]

The bigger question is why would anyone dump 9 deposits (much less 1) into any online book to play blackjack? OP still hasn't addressed the question regarding continual deposits after knowing account wasn't verified. Something fishy going on 'round here...

[calvin34242]

i'm starting to think the more likely cause is he made 9 deposits and didn't have enough money in his bank account and one or more bounced, i think there is more to this story that is being let on

[15805]

How easy would it be for this poor guy to deposit & withdarw if Neteller was still available.

It ended for me in early 2007 when Neteller stopped serving the US betting public. How great
was Netteller to insert funds or move funds from one book to another. Checked my last records
from NT Sept 5-06 to Nov 6- 06 with Pinnacle, 5 Dimes, Olympic, Bowman, ABC Islands, Betmaker,
Carib & Betmainia I deposited in that month $67,550 & Withdrew $71,500. When Frist & Goodlatte
made gambling illegal attaching it to a war funding bill it ended forever arbitrage bettors liscense
to steal forever.

[Optional]

That's the tale that people seem to be sticking with....even Optional, who for some reason thinks it's normal to pump funds somewhere without proper account verification.

I do?

I am at a loss to understand how Instadebit extend so much credit to an unverified account though. That seems close to negligent to me. Like an invite for potential scammers to take shots.

[grease lightnin]

Christ, you wish.

I wish what? You're a clown. Booya was legitimately insulting me by comparing me to you.

[Fire in da hole]

This ^


To elaborate. If you have a negative balance, they would block your account and send you a threatening email to pay them. If you don't pay you are sent to the collections. THEY HAVE A WHOLE SWOT TEAM. LOL

You know this from experience?

You pull this same thing at another book?

[David Da Huang]

were u continuing to make deposits to pinnacle after your initial verification deposit bounced, you said u made 9 deposits in a week it only takes 2-3 days to confirm the verification so u must have kept depositing knowing there was a problem

No I stopped depositing to pinnacle after my initial verification deposit bounced.

[jjgold]

any updates?

[David Da Huang]

i'm starting to think the more likely cause is he made 9 deposits and didn't have enough money in his bank account and one or more bounced, i think there is more to this story that is being let on

I did have enough money. How many times do I have to repeat this.

[Sam Losco]

I did have enough money. How many times do I have to repeat this.

just let sbr handle the dispute, discussing it here at this point does nothing to help you

[David Da Huang]

Sammy knew that

however... if the verification deposit had failed would you have STILL sent Pinny 9 deposits?

(no need to answer) we know it

I sent Piiny 9 deposits before my verification deposit failed. After it failed never did I deposit more money inside Pinny.

THE POINT IS THAT INSTADEBIT ENTERED THE WRONG BANK ACCOUNT INFORMATION WHEN I GAVE THEM MY CORRECT INFORMATION.

I EVEN GAVE THEM A WEEK'S OPPORTUNITY TO CORRECT MY BANK ACCOUNT INFORMATION SO THAT MY DEPOSITS WOULD CLEAR.

[evo34]

Well yeah

If you do a deposit that is later revoked, so is all the betting attached to that deposit. At every single book in the world.

.

Again, the deposit wasn't revoked -- no one willfully charged anything back. It was made due to clerical error. Throughout the thread, you've stated that deposits getting pulled back happen all the time and it's just the way people do business. I think that's: a) inapplicable in this case, and b) a load of BS. A processor must verify, and a book must use only processors that it knows verifies. If a book wants to roll the dice by accepting processors who don't verify, they don't deserve a free roll on each bad/incorrect desposit. Pretty simple.

[astro61200]

I think I know the issue...

Canadian money isn't real money.

Should see if they'll take some Monopoly money instead.

[Plaza23]

How does Pinnacle allow you to bet money that they never actually receive?

[SBR Forum]

any updates?

SBR asked the player to provide supporting information. He should email his point of contact for updates.

[Sam Odom]

SBR is on Top of it