Manning vs Brady, Cast your vote!

[bobby heenan]

if manning cant beat this ragtag patriots team...by at least 17....at home....with that offense....he should retire...and denver should quit playing football......yet when he wins....the anti patriot fans will use this as evidence that hes so much better than brady....you guys are so delusional

[Rangers901]

Are you serious?

Head to head match ups mean nothing.

You fed my argument by posting those statistics. Most of those games were played when Indy had a bottom 5 defensive unit, and the Pats had a top 3 defensive unit.

Brady won 3 rings as a game manager, nothing more, nothing less.

How come he can't win without a top 3 defense?

Mr. Check Down Tom can throw his 3-7 yard slants every play all he'd like.

He's on pace for the highest YAC of all time, and it's not even close.

Ask Peyton what it's like to actually throw the ball through the air and down the field.

15,000 more Air Yards than Brady, you do realize for an average QB that's 5 seasons worth of passing yards?

All you did was post H2H stats, but didn't tell em how anything I said was false.

To say Bill said on a scale from 1-100 the difference was 1 is simple to say after the fact. But they "just" taped hand signals which gave away the exact defensive formations the opposing team was about to employ.

So Brady's better because he has more career records?
More career TD passes?
More career passing Yards?
Better career completion %?
Better career QB rating?

Oh, shit, I think Manning trumps the Golden Boy in every category.

BUT

The Pats D carries them to 3 SB titles with a game manager, and all of a sudden he's the greatest of all time, when Peyton Manning destroys him in basically every QB statistical category?

Oh, yeah, and I forgot to mention how much worse Check Down Tom's stats would be not having the pleasure of playing in the worst division in football for 10+ seasons.

[Rangers901]

if manning cant beat this ragtag patriots team...by at least 17....at home....with that offense....he should retire...and denver should quit playing football......yet when he wins....the anti patriot fans will use this as evidence that hes so much better than brady....you guys are so delusional

I don't care about one game, in fact I don't care about 1 season. Look over the course of a career, the defensive unit the team had, the SOS, etc.

Brady can't hold Manning's jockstrap, the ex greats who played this game seem to agree.

But, I'll listen to bobby heenan on SBR, who, without a single doubt in my mind, possesses more football knowledge than HoF players.

[bobby heenan]

Are you serious?

Head to head match ups mean nothing.

You fed my argument by posting those statistics. Most of those games were played when Indy had a bottom 5 defensive unit, and the Pats had a top 3 defensive unit.

Brady won 3 rings as a game manager, nothing more, nothing less.

How come he can't win without a top 3 defense?

Mr. Check Down Tom can throw his 3-7 yard slants every play all he'd like.

He's on pace for the highest YAC of all time, and it's not even close.

Ask Peyton what it's like to actually throw the ball through the air and down the field.

15,000 more Air Yards than Brady, you do realize for an average QB that's 5 seasons worth of passing yards?

All you did was post H2H stats, but didn't tell em how anything I said was false.

To say Bill said on a scale from 1-100 the difference was 1 is simple to say after the fact. But they "just" taped hand signals which gave away the exact defensive formations the opposing team was about to employ.

So Brady's better because he has more career records?
More career TD passes?
More career passing Yards?
Better career completion %?
Better career QB rating?

Oh, shit, I think Manning trumps the Golden Boy in every category.

BUT

The Pats D carries them to 3 SB titles with a game manager, and all of a sudden he's the greatest of all time, when Peyton Manning destroys him in basically every QB statistical category?

Oh, yeah, and I forgot to mention how much worse Check Down Tom's stats would be not having the pleasure of playing in the worst division in football for 10+ seasons.

i guess there are other polls too

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/01/15/report-seven-of-eight-nfl-personnel-men-would-prefer-brady-over-manning/

you can go over to cold hard football facts and read your articles on YAC....and think its some proof of manning being a better qb...the author says hes not even sure what it means.....and mannings YAC is higher this year....and mannings team is much better than bradys....yet somehow only 1 win seperated them....and they are playing for the same thing on sunday.....

i guess 30 other teams should just line up an average qb and throw 3-7 yard slants 90 percent of the time...im sure theyd be a surefire 12 win team every year

[Rangers901]

i guess there are other polls too

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/01/15/report-seven-of-eight-nfl-personnel-men-would-prefer-brady-over-manning/

you can go over to cold hard football facts and read your articles on YAC....and think its some proof of manning being a better qb...the author says hes not even sure what it means.....and mannings YAC is higher this year....and mannings team is much better than bradys....yet somehow only 1 win seperated them....and they are playing for the same thing on sunday.....

i guess 30 other teams should just line up an average qb and throw 3-7 yard slants 90 percent of the time...im sure theyd be a surefire 12 win team every year

If you think that YAC is not extremely important, than you don't understand football.

I still remember the footage from the article about 6 years ago, "Brady changed the game." It was titled that because an intellectual mind broke down the passing game, and showed why Brady's passing stats were flawed. He's the master of throwing a 2 yard pass, getting blocks downfield, and turning it into 70 passing yards. Air Yards vs YAC are extremely important. Brady doesn't come close, even though he had Moss who basically caught everything thrown at him. I can't tell you how many times I saw Brady throw a bad pass, but it's tough for a single cover corner to win a jump ball.

The Pats are where they are, and have made the playoffs so often because of the garbage dump of a division that they play in, and that's a compliment. Having the luxury of playing 3 consistent bottom 5 teams 6 times a year certainly doesn't hurt the W or stat column.

You do realize you quoted a Boston associated article, that was linked to the Bleacher Report, that's all one has to say.

Remove Manning, Colts go 2-14.
Remove Brady, replace him with Matt Cassell, the guy who hadn't started a single game since high school, and the Pats go 11-5. Just keep convincing yourself Pats fan.

[bobby heenan]

If you think that YAC is not extremely important, than you don't understand football.

I still remember the footage from the article about 6 years ago, "Brady changed the game." It was titled that because an intellectual mind broke down the passing game, and showed why Brady's passing stats were flawed. He's the master of throwing a 2 yard pass, getting blocks downfield, and turning it into 70 passing yards. Air Yards vs YAC are extremely important. Brady doesn't come close, even though he had Moss who basically caught everything thrown at him. I can't tell you how many times I saw Brady throw a bad pass, but it's tough for a single cover corner to win a jump ball.

The Pats are where they are, and have made the playoffs so often because of the garbage dump of a division that they play in, and that's a compliment. Having the luxury of playing 3 consistent bottom 5 teams 6 times a year certainly doesn't hurt the W or stat column.

You do realize you quoted a Boston associated article, that was linked to the Bleacher Report, that's all one has to say.

Remove Manning, Colts go 2-14.
Remove Brady, replace him with Matt Cassell, the guy who hadn't started a single game since high school, and the Pats go 11-5. Just keep convincing yourself Pats fan.

out of the 8 division in the league the afc east finished 3rd in total wins

in 07(you know after spygate)...the pats played 6 of the 12 playoff teams that year in the reg season and beat them all....then beat a 7th in the first round of the playoffs

yes brady throws short passes that turn into long ones....and manning hasnt ever thrown a quick strike to d thomas which was run for 7o yards? mannings YAC are more than bradys this year...yet one win seperated them and brady owns a head to head victory with a depleted team and a bunch of mostly garbage at skill positions......

[bobby heenan]

the patriots went 11-5 with matt cassel because they have a good coach and brought back a team that almost went 19-0.....if you think the patriots are sniffing 4 wins this year with ryan mallett at the helm you are crazy

the colts 2-14 team was a 10-6 team the year before who lost in the wild card round at home to the afc easts own ny jets

[bobby heenan]

Rangers....since you like to bring up the cupcake afc east....since 2002 move to 4 divisions.....tell me how many times mannings division(s) finished with a higher win total than the afc east??

[bobby heenan]

2013-afc west
2012-afc east
2011-well skip that...mannning didnt play not even fair
2010-afc east
2009-afc south
2008-tie in year brady misses-pats do not make playoffs
2007-afc south
2006-afc east
2005-afc south
2004-afc east
2003-afc east
2002-afc east-pats do not make playoffs

so by my eyes/math since the move to 4 divisions...the "cupcake afc east" has finished with a higher win total 6 times....as opposed to the afc south and west 4 times....1 year with a tie with brady out the year...and 1 year i dont even consider fair since manning didnt play

also funny you mention YAC.....bradys best year yardage wise was in 2011....5200 yards....with a YAC of 2700......this year mannings highest yardage total ....5400-or if u wanna call it 5500...came with 2682 in YAC....so dont act like some of mannings record breaking year didnt come aided by your all so valued YAC numbers.....

im really glad that manning owns the "golden boy" in some of those great "career" numbers and tds....the fact is..manning was the franchise from day 1....he had at least a 3 year head start on tom....and even more when you consider tom didnt get the chance to really shine and be the man/franchise for another couple of years.....

manning has basically around a 15000 yard lead on total yards.....manning amassed 12k of that before brady even made a start.....enjoy your precious "air yards"....ill take my wins.....like i said....if the brady formula were so easy....every suck ass team in the nfl would be able to be successful with it.....not hard to watch tape in the "copycat" league and work the same scheme.....every team should win 12 games without blinking....just run the 3-7 yard slants....the underhanded shovel passes to woodhead.....and wham you are one of the most consistent winners in the nfl

[bobby heenan]

im still lmao at "15000 more air yards than brady"......i guess had tom been the number 1 overall pick and the face of the franchise from day 1....and started starting in 98 like manning did(thats a 3 year head start on "air yards"....he might have more "air yards" too ya fruit...furthermore....in 01-04 when brady was still "game managing"....manning had been the face of the franchise for 6 years by then.....so lets run this again....manning throws for 11k yards before brady even starts a game....then manning piles up more yards while brady is still "game managing" for another 3 years minimum(how many years would you say it was before brady stopped "managing")....no fuckin wonder he has 15k more "air yards".....fuckin clown

[bobby heenan]

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2014/01/15/bill-cowher-everybody-tried-to-steal-signals-not-just-belichick/

Where u at rangers? Top moron? Crickets ....

[JoshuaCarnahan]

athletically brady, mentally manning,... so ill take manning everytime

[sneakerhead]

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2014/...ust-belichick/


Where u at rangers? Top moron? Crickets ....

bobby no point arguing with rangers. guy hates brady and patriots and keeps bringing yac in every argument.

dude has a boner for manning

[Rangers901]

The difference is you're a Patriots homer, and I'm not a fan of either team, I'm not biased.

Anyone who truly understands the game knows Manning is the greatest, he's a Wizard ina world of Magicians. Magicians create illusions, Wizards create true magic.

I love how you don't deny that Mr. Check Down Tom is exactly that, because he is.

Don't look at YAC over the course of 1 season.

If I'm not mistaken Air Yards make up about 52% of Brady's yards, whereas Manning has about 65% of total yards Air Yards, that is a massive difference.

The main point still stands, without a top 3 defense, Brady has won nothing. The Patriots won 3 rings when the defense was the main component of the team. When the defense departed, and Brady was forced to do it alone, he has a grand total of 0 rings.

The Colts won their ring because Manning carried them on his back, this is a fact and there's no arguing it.

Replace Manning with Brady, and it's possible he would have won 6+ rings.

I'm sure that if Brady was the main component of 3 championship teams, that they could have mustered one more in the last 10 years, no?

I don't think Peyton has ever fielded a team with a top 5 defense, ever.

Brady started out his career as a game manager behind a top defensive unit. Remove the defensive unit, and suddenly the well runs dry.

The YAC stat is absolutely massive, so whoever disregards it is simply ignorant.

Also, although Manning has had skilled WR's and TE's around him, he's never had a physical specimen like a Randy Moss or Rob Gronkowski. An argument can be made that at times, Brady wasn't even the best offensive player on the field. Moss and Gronkowski were so unbelievably dominant that opposing defenses had very few ways to stop them.

Bill Belichick is one of the greatest coaches in sports history.

I've said it a million times and I'll say it again, when Brady retires, and another scrub steps into his spot and picks up right where he left off, then Brady lovers will start to realize.

And whoever said Amendola and Edelmen were nothing and Brady made them look like Welker just proved they had no clue what they're talking about. Both those players were all over ESPN talking about how they're exactly liek Wes Welker BEFORE the Pats signed them, so that arguments horrible.

But, since Manning now owns basically every single QB record, I guess all it takes is for him to go out and win another ring this season, then what's the argument? Brady has 3 and Manning has 2?

Big difference, Manning was the main component of 2 championship teams, while Brady was the main component of 0.

[bobby heenan]

The difference is you're a Patriots homer, and I'm not a fan of either team, I'm not biased.

Anyone who truly understands the game knows Manning is the greatest, he's a Wizard ina world of Magicians. Magicians create illusions, Wizards create true magic.

I love how you don't deny that Mr. Check Down Tom is exactly that, because he is.

Don't look at YAC over the course of 1 season.

If I'm not mistaken Air Yards make up about 52% of Brady's yards, whereas Manning has about 65% of total yards Air Yards, that is a massive difference.

The main point still stands, without a top 3 defense, Brady has won nothing. The Patriots won 3 rings when the defense was the main component of the team. When the defense departed, and Brady was forced to do it alone, he has a grand total of 0 rings.

The Colts won their ring because Manning carried them on his back, this is a fact and there's no arguing it.

Replace Manning with Brady, and it's possible he would have won 6+ rings.

I'm sure that if Brady was the main component of 3 championship teams, that they could have mustered one more in the last 10 years, no?

I don't think Peyton has ever fielded a team with a top 5 defense, ever.

Brady started out his career as a game manager behind a top defensive unit. Remove the defensive unit, and suddenly the well runs dry.

The YAC stat is absolutely massive, so whoever disregards it is simply ignorant.

Also, although Manning has had skilled WR's and TE's around him, he's never had a physical specimen like a Randy Moss or Rob Gronkowski. An argument can be made that at times, Brady wasn't even the best offensive player on the field. Moss and Gronkowski were so unbelievably dominant that opposing defenses had very few ways to stop them.

Bill Belichick is one of the greatest coaches in sports history.

I've said it a million times and I'll say it again, when Brady retires, and another scrub steps into his spot and picks up right where he left off, then Brady lovers will start to realize.

And whoever said Amendola and Edelmen were nothing and Brady made them look like Welker just proved they had no clue what they're talking about. Both those players were all over ESPN talking about how they're exactly liek Wes Welker BEFORE the Pats signed them, so that arguments horrible.

But, since Manning now owns basically every single QB record, I guess all it takes is for him to go out and win another ring this season, then what's the argument? Brady has 3 and Manning has 2?

Big difference, Manning was the main component of 2 championship teams, while Brady was the main component of 0.

u say belichick is one of the greatest in coaches in sports history.......but u also claim that he cheated to win

manning 'carried teams to titles'

yet he went 15-30 for 170 and 2 ints in a win in the 2nd round the year he won is lone superbowl....meaning he won 15-6 lol.......is that peyton or a "great defense".......you are a faggit

[bobby heenan]

The difference is you're a Patriots homer, and I'm not a fan of either team, I'm not biased.

Anyone who truly understands the game knows Manning is the greatest, he's a Wizard ina world of Magicians. Magicians create illusions, Wizards create true magic.

I love how you don't deny that Mr. Check Down Tom is exactly that, because he is.

Don't look at YAC over the course of 1 season.

If I'm not mistaken Air Yards make up about 52% of Brady's yards, whereas Manning has about 65% of total yards Air Yards, that is a massive difference.

The main point still stands, without a top 3 defense, Brady has won nothing. The Patriots won 3 rings when the defense was the main component of the team. When the defense departed, and Brady was forced to do it alone, he has a grand total of 0 rings.

The Colts won their ring because Manning carried them on his back, this is a fact and there's no arguing it.

Replace Manning with Brady, and it's possible he would have won 6+ rings.

I'm sure that if Brady was the main component of 3 championship teams, that they could have mustered one more in the last 10 years, no?

I don't think Peyton has ever fielded a team with a top 5 defense, ever.

Brady started out his career as a game manager behind a top defensive unit. Remove the defensive unit, and suddenly the well runs dry.

The YAC stat is absolutely massive, so whoever disregards it is simply ignorant.

Also, although Manning has had skilled WR's and TE's around him, he's never had a physical specimen like a Randy Moss or Rob Gronkowski. An argument can be made that at times, Brady wasn't even the best offensive player on the field. Moss and Gronkowski were so unbelievably dominant that opposing defenses had very few ways to stop them.

Bill Belichick is one of the greatest coaches in sports history.

I've said it a million times and I'll say it again, when Brady retires, and another scrub steps into his spot and picks up right where he left off, then Brady lovers will start to realize.

And whoever said Amendola and Edelmen were nothing and Brady made them look like Welker just proved they had no clue what they're talking about. Both those players were all over ESPN talking about how they're exactly liek Wes Welker BEFORE the Pats signed them, so that arguments horrible.

But, since Manning now owns basically every single QB record, I guess all it takes is for him to go out and win another ring this season, then what's the argument? Brady has 3 and Manning has 2?

Big difference, Manning was the main component of 2 championship teams, while Brady was the main component of 0.

your \*\*\*\*\*\* ass cant deny you made a claim.....which represented manning having a 3 year advantage over brady as a starter.....once that claim is made you start your claim...."manning has 15000 more air yards".....yet u neglect that he had a 3 year head start advantage.....it shows what a clown u are

manning won a sb because he carried them on his back? then how do u explain a 15-6 win at baltimore when he goes 15-30 with 170 yards 0tds and 2 ints???

[Ghenghis Kahn]

omaha!!! omaha!!!

[bobby heenan]

mannings claims of 15k more yards comes at a 3 year head start.....furthermore...u claim brady was just a game manager.......so thats like a 6 year head start......yet manning still only has 15k more yards

[Ghenghis Kahn]

i'd probably go clubbing with brady and fishing with manning.

[bobby heenan]

I've said it a million times and I'll say it again, when Brady retires, and another scrub steps into his spot and picks up right where he left off, then Brady lovers will start to realize.


do u honestly think ryan mallett wins 4 or more games with this years team??????....honestly now.......the answer is no...you hating fuk

[bobby heenan]

your main point still stands? you mean manning has a 15k lead over brady....yet has 3 full seasons ahead of him....and more seasons which u claim brady is a "game manager"........so basically you are saying manning has at least 3 full seasons which brady didnt play in....then another 3 which brady was just managing......yet manning only has 15k more total passing yards.......and more accomplishments?....hey give me manning all day!!!! fuckin herb

[bobby heenan]

rangers dumb oyster ass cant admit....he made a huge mistake when assesing his numbers......he didnt realize tom had a 3 year hole.....and that he said "brady was a game manager" for several other years.......so if we say tom was a game manger for his first 3 years....that gives peyton a 6 year window to compile 15k more yards than tom......very impressive peyton...you are so much better!.....you are owned by tom in the playoffs and in head to head....but hey you enjoy that 15k extra in regular season yards pal!

your \*\*\*\*\*\* ass maid claims that the afc was so weak...i proved that wrong....you claimed how manning was 15k better...and i proved that wrong....what more does your bitch ass want? oh i already showed u head to head and u tried to deny that too.......homo

[bobby heenan]

again....manning plays 3 more seasons before brady makes his 1st start.....and amasses 12k in yards......so brady makes his first start and is considered a "game manager" for how many years???? and im supposed to be impressed by peyton having 15k more in "air yards"????

[PAULYPOKER]

I've said it a million times and I'll say it again, when Brady retires, and another scrub steps into his spot and picks up right where he left off, then Brady lovers will start to realize.


do u honestly think ryan mallett wins 4 or more games with this years team??????....honestly now.......the answer is no...you hating fuk

One name.....

Matt Cassell

[bobby heenan]

One name.....

Matt Cassell

hey doofus...cassel won 11 games with a team that won 18 in a row the year before....it was the same squad....if u put cassel at the helm of this years pats team they prob win 4 games tops.....

[Rangers901]

Bobby, I'm not wasting my time with a bunch of immature, illogical, children who have the mental capacity of a half retarded chicken.

You think I don't know who's been in the league longer?

You ignore 99% of what I bring to the table, and attempt to bash by pointing out one or two things, that doesn't work.

You have your mind made up and nothing will change that.

I'm in the process of writing a 30,000+ word paper on Brady and why he is over rated. I can't finish it until the next scrub steps in and experiences instant success like Brady, Cassell, etc.

The problem is you're not open to real facts, you're so head over heels in love with Brady that it's blinding you from the truth. I stated numerous facts that you simply ignore, and I just won't bother anymore.

[PAULYPOKER]

hey doofus...

Stopped reading right after you admitted defeat by ridicule....

[PAULYPOKER]

Manning has neck surgery in 2011

Manningless Colts go from playoff team , to worst team in the NFL 2011.........

Manning comes back from NECK SURGERY, at 36 years of age to boot, catapults Denver as the number 1 SEEDED AFC team 2 years running....

[bobby heenan]

Bobby, I'm not wasting my time with a bunch of immature, illogical, children who have the mental capacity of a half retarded chicken.

You think I don't know who's been in the league longer?

You ignore 99% of what I bring to the table, and attempt to bash by pointing out one or two things, that doesn't work.

You have your mind made up and nothing will change that.

I'm in the process of writing a 30,000+ word paper on Brady and why he is over rated. I can't finish it until the next scrub steps in and experiences instant success like Brady, Cassell, etc.

The problem is you're not open to real facts, you're so head over heels in love with Brady that it's blinding you from the truth. I stated numerous facts that you simply ignore, and I just won't bother anymore.

i like how you fancy yourself some super intelligent being...its cool....90 percent of the things you say are garbage....you say things like "manning carried his team to a superbowl"...yet i show his defense did heavy lifting and his td/int ratio was horrible during his playoff run to win a superbowl...and you say nothing....except you say "manning carried his team to a superbowl this is fact".....how is it fact?

ill pose this question.....do u think if ryan mallett had started every game this year the pats would have won more than 3-4 games...if that?

again...if you give brady 3 seasons worth of numbers that he is behind manning....his total yardage is close to the same(the same as you know...the great manning...the wizard or magician or sorceror).....but in your world tom brady throws 1 yard passes that welker or others have taken 99 yards everytime he does it.....

lol@ moss and gronk....yes they are nice weapons....its like having marvin, wayne, clark, thomas(both) and decker.....except brady has had way more turnover at the skill positions and has been winning and putting up very good numbers with several casts.....in my mind that says alot...to you it says everything is a system.....that you can put anyone out there and brady will succeed.....and brady succeeds just based off of playing for bill belichick(whom you have also claimed is a cheat)

"One of the most common arguments against Brady is that he's played for one of the greatest coaches of all time, and when he was winning Super Bowls and defeating Manning in the playoffs, he had one of the best defenses of all time.
Ezra Shaw/Getty Images
Brady in his first Super Bowl

To try and judge a quarterback outside of the coach who shaped him and the players he played with is a pointless exercise. Brady, Montana and Manning all had their share of talent surrounding them over the courses of their career.
And it's not as if the teams around Brady gave him a distinct advantage over Manning specifically.
When compared to Manning's teams in Football Outsiders' DVOA efficiency rankings, Brady's defenses averaged 15th. Manning's averaged 17th.

Rob Carr/Getty Images
Brady in his fifth Super Bowl

Eventually all these arguments level out. If anything, Brady has lacked the consistent weapons that Montana had in Dwight Clark, Jerry Rice and Roger Craig, and Manning had in Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne.
Brady has had turnover at the receiver position that neither of his rivals experienced until they switched teams late in their careers, and he'll again have to overcome it this season after losing 62 percent of the receptions he threw last year.
Regardless of who Brady has played with, he's still won at an epic rate and turned no-names into stars (Wes Welker) and stars into superstars (Randy Moss)."

[Ferndog68]

eli manning =2 rings
maybe he should be in the discussion

[GunShard]

lol

[GunShard]

Peyton Manning.

[ThaTopMoron]

hey that one white wr is wide open down field for the Pats... ohhhhhh.... he overthrew him!

2-2 in playoffs but manning 2-1 vs brady in afc title games

no one cares about regular season match up records

[Enkhbat]

Manning

[JoshuaCarnahan]

I guess we got our answer!!! Lol