It's not true that God doesn't bless you, a blessing from my point of view is to at least wake up every day because I know that I might not be able to, who know when my blood pressure will rise and I'll end up having a heart attack? I know that when I almost kill myself when I was 16 I was not able to because He wanted me to learn about the value of life and that I was important to others beside him, I know that when I had my debts he tried to teach me the value of whetever he gave me to survive, I know that having a complicated family taught me to be tolerant and just to become the person I am right now, who told me this, well, I figured it myself because one thing I do know is that everything has a purpose in life and that's why we're here, to discover the purpose of our existance.
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Maybe however the only puropose my enemies have is existing untill I or whoever catches up with them then I guess they can tell their maker what is to sayComment -
going to sleep now when I wake up hope to have at least a 30 pack to drink however everyone has their beliefs and I have mine bottom line good night and I am on NDN time
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Who knows, only the Lord of my life. It might have been my only purpose to discuss about this with you and who am I to question that? No one, I was given life, never earned it. You won't get the main answer until the time comes for you to know it and you'll see if you were worth of it or not.Comment -
Take care buddy, it's been a pleasure to have this discussion wich has been healthy for you and me. Good night sir.Originally posted by bbyhillgoing to sleep now when I wake up hope to have at least a 30 pack to drink however everyone has their beliefs and I have mine bottom line good night and I am on NDN timeComment -
Didn't crash out just yet.The knife mark on my face looks like a nike swish below my right eye but my nose looks like it almost went through on my right side anyhow didnt matter never got stuck again that time however I will leave you with me and my women(wife) song well one of them it makes any difference I tried to kill myself before twice however here is the song not in english at all.
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Feel free to go off on another unrelated, incoherent tangent anytime.Common sense is not so common, but, ain't it logic enough for you that there is something superior than us and created everything the way it is smart enough to let it change and evolve along its predestined path? Do you like thinking of yourself as a mere coincidence of matter itself or would you rather consider yourself as a being that was predestined to be the way you currently are? I like being important to someone, at least to my creator. That's why I believe. I then insist, common sense is not so common.Comment -
Well, holy crap, if George Carlin said it.....it must be true!
Thanks for opening my eyes plom!Comment -
The Bible's bunk, I know.
George Carlin told me so.
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nothing wrong with believing what you want to believe. but there's a distinction between knowing and believing.Originally posted by CS-Cedrick
the only evidence that there is a creator is that we exist. and that is enough for me to believe. but do i know that there is a creator?
now if there is a god, why would he create us to be logical, reasoning, and many other complex qualities, and then in spite of that play a huge trust game with us where we have to take the word of evangelists and believe on FAITH that he sent a son in human form as a sacrifice to himself for our sins that he created??? that makes absolutely no sense.Comment -
OHOH I KNOW! He put us down here with no proof of his existance so that when the time comes we can all burn in a lake of fire for the rest of eternity because he gave us free thought and we questioned if he was/wasn't real. We are all just his little ant farm and he's a kid with a magnifying glass.Originally posted by losturmarblesComment -
Exactly losturmarbles, it's not that he just wants to see us burning our asses in Hell, he gave us the oportunity of knowing about the mistery of bible to save our butts, you think that us Christians know exactly what happened to the people that wrote it? NO. Do you think we know if what is written in the bible is exactly what happened? No, but, we do believe it is, why, because we have faith, if you want to see this as an insurance policy for when the time comes then go ahead and do it because I have faith that my creator won't let me down by then. It's indeed a very complex matter and everyone has a different point of view in regards to it.Originally posted by smarmyComment -
Let me make sure that I understand this correctly.Originally posted by CS-Cedrick
A being which is outside of our universe created the universe.
Then that being created the earth.
Then that being created the garden of Eden and Adam and Eve and placed them in the garden.
Then that being allowed an evil con artist who was millions of years old and total evil access to Adam and Eve (the being's children) who were newborns and innocent, and allowed that evil master manipulator a chance to mislead the innocent children in order to "prove" that they loved the Creator?
And because the innocent children failed that "test" of their "love" for the Creator, all humans born after that face eternity in hell fire if they do not find, read, understand, and come to believe in a book which was written by 60 other men over many centuries? Failure to find, read, understand, and believe in said book = eternal damnation in fire. Success in finding, reading, understanding, and believing in said book results in eternal bliss. Oh, and the book is confusing, self-contradicting, difficult to understand, and in the Old Testament describes a blood thirsty lunatic who thrives on murdering anyone who does not "believe", but in the New Testament turns into a pretty nice guy until you get to Revelation where the genocide of the majority of the human race is depicted, meaning that "God" returned to his homicidal maniacal ways of the Old Testament. I guess the rest of the New Testament he was just pretending to get on our good side.
And if you have any problems understanding the book there is a professional class of clergy who will help you understand it. For a slight fee.
That is the deal that this "God" made with humanity?
That this "god" is so insecure that every day of our lives we have to "prove" our love for our Father?
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A great post indeed as well as your point of view, believe if you want to, don't do it if you feel like it, you have been given the choice. As I posted before, we do not have all the answers to those questions neither clerics do, the only thing that supports us is faith and that's enough for not letting us burn our asses in hell, if you wanna take it as mere interest and as an insurance policy for not knowing what will happen after death, go on and think about it that way, but, when you start you see things that make you believe more and more until that belief turns into pure knowledge, that knowledge most of us seek and will grow even more after death.Comment -
these kind of discussions never get anything solved...just further entrench people in their own positions...
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Ive read 3 books that have shed light on this subject. 23 Minutes in Hell, 50 minutes in Heaven, and My Descent into Death. if u think the Bible is hard to read and understand, which is prob. in peoples nature to do so, then this is prob. a quicker route to a wake-up call on all the non-believers(atheists) out there. These are true stories about individuals that have actually been to heaven and hell and sent back. If these stories dont change ur mind about God''s existence, i don kno wut will. so i suggest anyone who wants to, feel free to read at least one of these, esp. 23 minutes in hell. itll be hard to laugh off the Bible then, trust me.Comment -
Originally posted by Chi_archie
maybe, but i hold the opinion that those that truly believe in a creator wouldnt create us just so we would be so foolish to believe what another man says god said. (which is what the bible is)
i was raised in a christian church, i know the bible inside and out, and i used to profess to be a christian, until i opened my eyes to the foolishness of it.
the fundamental part of the christian faith is the bible. and like i said in another post, the process of the biblical canon is eye opening. basically over the course of history, religious "authorities" decide what is divinely inspired, what the original author really meant, and etc. really?? this is how god decided to spread his word? and when did god stop inspiring man with his word? when do we have another canon and more books added to the bible? who decides? why are modern day prophets automatically dismissed as false? why are there a million different denominations?
why would god go to so much trouble to confuse so many people, and thats just the people in the U.S.
people choose what they want to believe. and people choose to ignore what god gave them (their brain) and believe what someone else says god said.
christians say they know there is a god, they know that they are going to heaven. both lies, deep down every christians only knows that they believe there is a god and believe that they are going to heaven.
for christians the line between knowing and believing is blurred. and the common remedy is faith. deep down they dont know, but they will believe out of FAITH. after all without faith, they are lost.
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i bet even the christians think youre a nutOriginally posted by ringemupComment -
How do we know they are "true stories", because the author says they are?Originally posted by ringemup
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wow,
never thought i'd be at a gambling board that the biggest read thread is about religion. Big change from covers.comComment -
in general, the lessons the bible professes are true, love thy neighbor, dont make up wars, etc
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Originally posted by ringemup
I'm waiting for a Discovery special on this.bird bird da bird's da wordComment -
have u read these books? i kno wut ur thinking, its hard to believe the words coming from another person about their experiences in the afterlife. this day in age, God realizes how difficult it is to get the message out to the non-believers just thru the message of the Bible because of the corruption people have created behind its words. so hes using people that hes chosen to spread this message thru the experience in hell. why, because he saw that person fit to deliver this message and if u think its phony just read the book. the person who went to hell in '23 minutes in hell' didn jus tell a phony story, he quoted the Bible with all references about Hell and it cant just be a coincidence. the reason why most people have a hard time believing in this stuff is because they wanna be comfortable where theyre at in life n because change is difficult to accept. im not saying ur gonna be a converted man because of these stories but it will at least convince u to rethink things. God is not dumb, he knows that the Bible has been portrayed in ways that has led some to deny it and hes using new ways to try to spread his message. "God works in mysterious ways." - im sure ur familiar with that phrase in the Bible. for sum people, reading a book like this could possibly change them n there r many who have read these n become christians. only thing that matters is the message and not how it got there.Originally posted by losturmarblesComment -
Originally posted by curious
If a Christian god does exist he's one sadistic ****. Does this mean god is our enemy?bird bird da bird's da wordComment -
Originally posted by smarmy
It's not because HE said it. It's because what he said makes sense.bird bird da bird's da wordComment -
The Best thing 1 Human Can do is find their own truth.
Not anybody else's. If your truth is god and whatever religion you choose then good on you. It it isn't...Good on you as well. Don't impose on anyone else's beliefs.Comment -
well most of the references to hell in the bible arent even talking about hell. at least in the old testament. jews dont believe in hell.Originally posted by ringemup
hell was a concept that the evangelists mathew, mark, luke, john invented. or maybe jesus himself. only jesus and peter make references to hell in the new testament. hell is/was used to scare people into believing in christ.
also hell isnt a place you can go to and come back, at least according to jesus. and you dont go straight to hell when you die, you go before god to be judged and then to hell for eternity. so even if it's an instant judging and youre sent really fast to hell, jesus says that you can't be saved from it.
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At SBR it is OK to make fun of Christianity and Islam. Don't you ever make fun of Judaism! The mods are watching.Comment -
Exactly. The "God" as presented in the "Christian" Bible is a deranged, genocidal, maniac.Originally posted by reno cool
Does this mean that the Bible accurately depicts the first cause which made the universe that we inhabit come into being? I don't believe that it does.
If you believe the "God" as presented to us by the Christians, using the words of the Bible that they claim is infallible, you can come to only one of the following conclusions:
1. "God" is insane.
2. "God" is evil.
3. "God" is so far removed from humans that "God" either does not / cannot care about us, or we are so foreign to "God" that "God" does not even notice us. In other words, God is totally apathetic.
4. "God" is the ultimate prankster and just loves to fukk with humans.Comment -
Thank you Reno, I didn't have any interest in explaining, but you did, glad there are some that understand.Originally posted by reno cool
This is an understandable response, and I agree with you Curious.Originally posted by curiousComment -
Originally posted by betplomHow do we know they are "true stories", because the author says they are?
yea ur right, its impossible to prove with any evidence that wut this person said is true. maybe u mite even think he jus did it for the money. but if u read about how this guy went around churches around the country to tell his story and that he was a minister preaching on TV for over 23 yrs before God gave him this experience. it makes sense that God would have chosen him to deliver the message because the message could be spread over a wider audience. peoples eyes have been corrupted to the pt,. where they cannot believe anything unless the evidence is right in front of them. its hard to believe, even i had trouble believing evrything at first. but i came to see that the message behind the story was more important because ull never be able to prove that he had the experience. God has and is still watching us and he;s trying to reach out his Hand to us, and though Hell may seem like cruel punishment for anyone to endure, it shows you how much God desires for people not to head in that direction to send this message.Comment -
Originally posted by ringemup
Yes, god is sneaky, he won't tell me anything directly, he instead has others claim god has come to them and told them to spread his word/message/whatever - knowing full well that this will only create more skepticism, if god exists as the bible says he does he should show himself and leave nothing to interpretation or faith, faith is not real.
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[quote=betplom;1454146] if god exists as the bible says he does he should show himself and leave nothing to interpretation or faith, faith is not real.
God has shown himself through Jesus, n the only people who saw him after his death, the 12 disciples who saw him defeat death and showed up before them. after this, these disciples were put before court and given a chance to give up their beliefs about Jesus in exchange, being able to live. but they stood strong and belived they would defeat death because Jesus had shown them in front of their eyes. they were brutally tortured to death, but they were not sad because they knew that Jesus would redeem their souls n bring them back in heaven. only faith in Jesus kept those disciples stand firm against the grim outlook in the form of death they faced.Comment -
If you were alive 100 years ago, you'd probably be saying that about smallpox.Originally posted by ZBOIZOriginally posted by pags11Originally posted by BuddyBearOriginally posted by curiousComment -
[QUOTE=ringemup;1454517]And you know this because some man told you that some other man wrote it in a book?Originally posted by betplom
The thing that I find most reprehensible about this story is that, according to the Bible, the reason that Jesus had to come to Earth to "save" humans in the first place is because "God" condemned the entire human race to death because he forced the first human pair to "prove" their love for their Father - "God".
I am a father, and the idea that I would "test" my children's love for me and make them "prove" that they love me with the punishment for failing the test being death is so abhorrent that in my view only an uncaring, unfeeling monster would do such a thing.
So, I'm sorry but the stories about Jesus don't do anything for me in terms of making me believe that "God" "loves" humans.Comment
