Originally posted by hannibal
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Anyway, to answer the question posed in the thread title, yes, I consider Frank Mir to be at +350 and above.
In future, check BFO.Comment -
RUSSIAN Rocket you seem like a cool guy so I'm going to put my opinion in terms you can relate to. Betting on Mir is about as good of an idea as Brezhnev deciding to invade Afghanistan in December of 1979. It was The Soviet Union's Vietnam and because of the invasion, America or to be more precise Zbigniew Brzezinski (AKA The White Ghost) created Al-Qaeda. Which is the boogeyman used on gullible American adults. Do everything that Homeland Security says or Al-Qaeda is going to get you! Oops, kinda went off on a tangent didn't I.....Originally posted by Russian Rocket
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about fukking time someone explained to me in plain English why I shouldn't bet on MirOriginally posted by Ron_Paul_2012RUSSIAN Rocket you seem like a cool guy so I'm going to put my opinion in terms you can relate to. Betting on Mir is about as good of an idea as Brezhnev deciding to invade Afghanistan in December of 1979. It was The Soviet Union's Vietnam and because of the invasion, America or to be more precise Zbigniew Brzezinski (AKA The White Ghost) created Al-Qaeda. Which is the boogeyman used on gullible American adults. Do everything that Homeland Security says or Al-Qaeda is going to get you! Oops, kinda went off on a tangent didn't I.....
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Originally posted by Ron_Paul_2012RUSSIAN Rocket you seem like a cool guy so I'm going to put my opinion in terms you can relate to. Betting on Mir is about as good of an idea as Brezhnev deciding to invade Afghanistan in December of 1979. It was The Soviet Union's Vietnam and because of the invasion, America or to be more precise Zbigniew Brzezinski (AKA The White Ghost) created Al-Qaeda. Which is the boogeyman used on gullible American adults. Do everything that Homeland Security says or Al-Qaeda is going to get you! Oops, kinda went off on a tangent didn't I.....Originally posted by Russian Rocketabout fukking time someone explained to me in plain English why I shouldn't bet on Mir
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haha love it.. #joeroganOriginally posted by Ron_Paul_2012RUSSIAN Rocket you seem like a cool guy so I'm going to put my opinion in terms you can relate to. Betting on Mir is about as good of an idea as Brezhnev deciding to invade Afghanistan in December of 1979. It was The Soviet Union's Vietnam and because of the invasion, America or to be more precise Zbigniew Brzezinski (AKA The White Ghost) created Al-Qaeda. Which is the boogeyman used on gullible American adults. Do everything that Homeland Security says or Al-Qaeda is going to get you! Oops, kinda went off on a tangent didn't I.....
i see DC winning by ko\tko.. mir will be much slower then the very active striking\wrestling of dc..Comment -
I'm on Cormier but I'm not ultra confident.
2 things worry me
The fact Mir is with Jackson and training with some of the best guys in the world.
It's a heavyweight fight. Anyone that gets hit by a trained fighter who weighs 250 lbs at the right angle will get KOEDComment -
Originally posted by TheCalculator
very solid points but i think mir is past his prime and simply he never faced a challenger like cormier!! if mir is not careful he can get slammed by the wilder beast wrestler! and about dc getting koed.. i think he is very well conditioned and that makes it less likely to get rocked or koed plus he has great movements both footwork and head movements
.. and mir is pretty slow in my mind compared to dc..
i am pretty confident to throw him in parlaysComment -
i just heard dana say that Cormier told mir at the staredown "you're in big trouble"
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Originally posted by Ron_Paul_2012RUSSIAN Rocket you seem like a cool guy so I'm going to put my opinion in terms you can relate to. Betting on Mir is about as good of an idea as Brezhnev deciding to invade Afghanistan in December of 1979. It was The Soviet Union's Vietnam and because of the invasion, America or to be more precise Zbigniew Brzezinski (AKA The White Ghost) created Al-Qaeda. Which is the boogeyman used on gullible American adults. Do everything that Homeland Security says or Al-Qaeda is going to get you! Oops, kinda went off on a tangent didn't I.....
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lol crazy shiit is happening all over the worldOriginally posted by MDComment -
Cormier to win by either TKO or decision.Comment -
lolOriginally posted by GunShard
Cody Mckenzie to win by either submission....or submissionComment -
Gunshard, awaiting speed analysis, have you had time to run the highlights side by side?Comment -
Originally posted by MonkeyMoneyi just heard dana say that Cormier told mir at the staredown "you're in big trouble"
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here is a good parlay i am on for today and tomorrow (ufc)
blackhawks - reds - yankees+1.5 - texas rangers - mendez - benevidez - mein - cormier - bendo
bol everybodyComment -
On Mir here. Can win and should not be underdog imo.Comment -
Are you insane pally?Originally posted by Demonata
I cap Cormier -2500. Only chance Mir has is if Cormier slips on a banana peel.Comment -
Cormier has ridiculous hand speed and accuracy. Barnett is a much better boxer than Mir, but Mir probably hits harder. It will be interesting to see if Mir can change the outcome of the fight if he catches DC flush.
Also, Barnett was landing a lot of knees to the body on Cormier when they clinched. Cormier was vulnerable for that. I read a couple of interviews, and DC was actually saying he expected clinching and knees to be part of Mir's game plan. Cormier said Mir is bigger than him, and might try to hold him against the cage. Mir is pretty good with knees, and also has higher knees than Barnett; he kod Crocop and landed a lot on Roy. Cormier is obviously going to try to prevent any of this from happening, but doesn't mean he'll be fully successful.
Mir's also been talking shit saying Cormier has no finishing ability. Mir has a tendency to fold when hit, like when trying to submit Ron Waterman, and he turtled after being punched twice by Vera, but that was after Mir's injury. But he did make it into the second round against Brock in the rematch, and wasn't completely out when JDS floored him, he just couldn't get back up. I doubt Mir will have the same reaction to getting hit from Cormier as that punch from JDS, and Mir should be able to defend on the ground.
Cormier responded to Mir saying that he won't go for the finish, and he's going to punish Mir over 15 minutes so the only way fight ends is if Mir quits. I'm hoping DC stays true to his word.
I bet DC by decision @ 5.75 hedged against Mir straight. You can't bet large when counting on Mir not to get tkod/fold when hit though.Comment -
People said the same thing about overated overeem. Mir is a great fighter. No way should he be this mush of an underdog with how good he is at submitting and how hard he hits.Originally posted by rocky16Comment -
Overreem was just off roids and was up 2-0 entering 3rd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Comment -
Mir deserves some respect imo and has a chance to win here.Originally posted by Nick PapageorgioComment -
Mir has a punchers chance vs. a far superior puncher. Nothing more if DC has a good game plan.Comment -
I see some valueComment -
He was good in strikeforce but ufc way harder competition. Mir has beaten harder opponents such as roy nelson kongo etc. He can beat this strikeforce chump.Originally posted by Nick PapageorgioComment -
lolOriginally posted by VaughanyComment -
Kongo is one of the most fade worthy fighters in the UFC. Roy Nelson is solid though.Comment -
I believe Josh Barnett would easily defeat Kongo. Barnett would also defeat Roy "Big Belly Bopper" Nelson. I think triple B would make the fight very competitive. However, Barnett's hand would be raised in the end. What impressed me about Cormier is HOW he beat Barnett.Originally posted by DemonataComment -
I can't stand when people compare Cormier to Overeem or SF fighters. As if they are all the same. Mir can't get the fight to the ground where his only bread and butter is. That said, it isn't like once it hits the ground...BAM he slaps on a sub. Yes, he is perhaps one if not the best HW at doing so, but it isn't as automatic as people act.Originally posted by Demonata
And I don't understand why people think Mir's striking is even decent. It is not. He was absolutely lit up by old man Nog. His one shining moment standing in his whole career is dropping the gatekeeper that is Kongo.
Simply stated, Mir can't get the fight to the ground...and he sucks standing.Comment -
LOL, you are a UFC troll I see?Originally posted by Demonata
DC straight trashed the guy that is currently getting a UFC title shot. Yet you want to act like the UFC has all this talent he hasn't seen? That is a laugh. He trashed the current HW contender. Mir would lose to Bigfoot and Barentt. Where, DC trashed them both.
Ah, the "he is from SF, he hasn't seen UFC talent" opinion.Comment -
LMFAO talking to people that say Mir sucks standing. He's an ok striker. Also comparing him to overeem is a good comparison since they are very similar. Had all the hype and couldn't beat legit ufc fighters. I see the same thing happening today. Mir is a beast on the ground even on his back. He will get cormier on the ground and pound away to loosen him up for a submission. People talking like Mir is garbage when he's one of the best. I am betting Mir and not even thinking twice about it.Comment -
He will get DC to the ground? You haven't even watched Cormier fight before. You don't even know what you are talking about. Mir got owned by Nog standing.
Will you come back after Mir gets owned and tell us all about how Mir is still the best ever? Or will you run away and act like you never said he was awesome?Comment -
If you want to say you see value fine, thats cool. But don't come in here acting like Mir is still elite. Especially when you probably never even watched Cormier fight. By you saying "Mir will get DC to the ground" shows me you are an idiot that is talking out of his ass. Mir has no way of taking Cormier down. Pulling guard would be his best bet.Comment -
Alright boys...you obviously all have some valid points on to why Cormier or Mir should be victorious tonight - let the best man win!
Good luck with your bets comrades
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You obviously don't know much about Mir it sounds like. He can get anybody to the ground. He is really good at it. Also he is a black belt in karate and Jiu Jitsu. Acting like Cormier is going to be the best person Mir ever had to fight is a joke. Also saying Mir got owned by Nog even though Mir won with the submission of the year kimura means you know absolutely nothing about mir.Originally posted by Rubber GuardComment
