On the all time NCAA coaching list?
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Right behind Bear Bryant... for now.Comment -
he is behind bowden, like everyone else.
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He is even with the Bear. In fact, I would say that this is more Bama's glory days than even when Bear was there.
"Bama problems": which dynasty was better? - Fukkers.Comment -
When they love to hate you your doing something right !!!Comment -
GOAT! The Phil Jackson of College Football..
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He's having the throne measurements done now...will be ordered and constructed for him to sit as king of coaching this time next year.
Yes I am the biggest Bama homer this forum will ever have, thats the disclaimer out of the way.
With that said just step back and look at what Saban has accomplished...objectively.
Won a BCS Championship at LSU and left Les Miles with some good players as well.
Came to Tuscaloosa and the program was in shambles...dark dark days in T-Town. Mike Price, Coach Fran, Shula...
NCAA probation and constant investigation and hounding. Mal Moore turned over the reigns and look at the upswing, Dynasty in place now, no end in sight, facility upgrades, stadium expansion, in house steroid testing with ZERO NCAA infractions now, near 80% graduation rate, the NFL drool over the players because they know they are well coached heading into the league. Saban's program isn't a plush vacation for the kids...in the shadow of Coach Bryant he does rule them hard but he pushes them and look at the reults - choose to come to Bama and bust you ass in order to kick the ass of others and reap the rewards or be content to go to a flashy program and maybe win some games one year but then a dropoff.
Hard to argue with reality boys....the man is cementing his legacy as we watch.Comment -
Only thing Saban doesn't have is longevity, which does count. He's top 5 right now. Don't know if I'd put him ahead of Bryan or Bowden...yet.Comment -
Bowden fell off the list for me when he was caught yelling to take out Mannings legs during
a TV game He yell take out his legs I dont want him to throw another pass.
On Saban I think you have to wait some more and see what happens ......He is a list maker for sure
how high ...well lets wait.Comment -
you could give saban a prime tom brady to start with....and he still couldnt hack it in the nfl....thats where the big boys playComment -
He isn't a great 'nfl' coach and you need to put that in context correctly. When you play for him it's 'the process' and HIS system, it's not up for debate, come here and play in this system and just do your job and we will put you in the right spot to make the play...and look at how it's worked. It's not just the start players who have succeeded but its a total group and this is why he rotates beasts in year in and year out....the mold.
In the NFL it's basically 50 something individuals out for themselves and contracted around the QB for success - you can't win in the NFL without the great QB. So you are right, Saban won't win Super Bowls because the 'all in' philosophy doesnt happen in the NFL teams, its simply about playing time, getting their benchmarks for pay bonuses and negotiating the next deal vs going with a coach's wishes.Comment -
teams have won superbowls without great qbs....but at that level with the talent pool spready, for the most part, evenly...it takes a little more....saban has his pick of the litter where hes at....its almost too easy....but hes done a great job there no doubt about itComment -
really low, only has 154 wins and is 61 years old. mite be a different story if he was in college the last 25 years.Comment -
i suppose if he coaches another 10 years and maintains the same level he would be top 5.Comment -
The man has done a great job at Alabama. That goes without saying...
Not sure it's time to put him in the Hale of Fame just yet though. However i do believe he is currently an elite coach with an elite group backing him and his "run" should continue for some time.
In this generation he is definately one of the greats in my opinion. I'm not sure i'd toss him into a "Best Coaches of All Time" category just yet.Comment -
I am going to provide some criticism of Nick Saban that is not frequently brought up and is generally forgotten in the Nick Saban myth making. He was the coach at Michigan State between 1995-1999 (Not Alabama level, but a big time college football program nonetheless). Of the 5 years he was there, 4 of those years he finished in the middle of the division or lower and lost all 3 bowl games (1995-1998). His final year there (1999) he had an exceptional year (until he got blown out on the road by Wisconsin and Purdue) but bailed before the bowl game to coach LSU. If you throw out his 1999 campaign, his time at MSU was very pedestrian to characterize it nicely. And one of the reasons he cited why he left was because he was tired of competing against Michigan and losing and recruiting against them. Does that sound like the greatest college football coach of all time? Sure, it is always a challenge for any MSU coach to compete with an athletic program like Michigan's...but come on, seriously? Dantonio is more than holding his own and Izzo has dominated the series against Michigan. I just did not like the fact that he gave up so quickly because Michigan intimated him. I think we need to evaluate the entire body of work if we are going to say he is the greatest college football coach ever.
And yes, he has done a fantastic job at Alabama. Everyone knows that.Comment -
I remember someone interviewing Bryant during halftime of a game with Auburn late in his career. Asking Bryant how his team played in the 1st half Bryant said 'We're playing as if we're worried about hurting
their feelings'. Bryant was a character of note Saban is not. Bryant was adored Saban is not.
Saban has to down as one of the greatest, along with Bryant, Frank Leahy, Bud Wilkerson & Rockne!Comment -
Blah blah blah... His accomplishment of winning three national titles in four years and having four titles overall DOES put him in the discussion for the best of all time by itself. The thing with Saban though, is that he is not done. He is going to add to his legacy in the coming years.Comment -
consensus inside alabama: him and bear bryant are the greatest coaches in any sport ever
consensus outside alabama: pretty good coach not all time greatComment -
He is behind Joe Pa..................Comment -
saban is the best current coach, hard to argue that.Comment
