SBR_John - Admin - Staff & Mods any comment ? Your BI Sheet

[Mikeyanks23]

So they did months ago ? really

posted it all over pal

told people in poker

called the people i talk to off the board

[Mikeyanks23]

Pokernut, I tried asking for proof of anything incriminating John and them... Some answered indirect, others dodged
They understandably want blood, and that's the end of it.

ill find my posts
but u doesnt say SBR knew

I KNEW
SWEEP KNEW
a shitload of people knew

when they were shopping the sheet to other books. Some of the people at those books told their Clients what was going on

u want the email tto?

[Mikeyanks23]

about 4 people listened the rest didnt believe us

hell i was only able to convince smoke to get half his money out

[Cuse0323]

Thanks mike, pokernut is buddy buddy with John so I wasn't gonna waste my time but I knew someone would come through.

[flyingillini]

Have you guys checked out affilitateguarddog? Interesting stuff on BI and SSLP

[Mikeyanks23]

Thanks mike, pokernut is buddy buddy with John so I wasn't gonna waste my time but I knew someone would come through.

when im done playing poker i will find the posts and email and post them

[KGambler]

Have you guys checked out affilitateguarddog? Interesting stuff on BI and SSLP

What are they saying?

[pokernut9999]

When the Netteller guy got busted in the US years ago I told everyone if you had money in there to get it out. Everyone laughed and said they are too big no worries. Short time later hundreds of millions were tied up for a vey long time. Bottom line is no one will ever listen.

[KGambler]

When the Netteller guy got busted in the US years ago I told everyone if you had money in there to get it out. Everyone laughed and said they are too big no worries. Short time later hundreds of millions were tied up for a vey long time. Bottom line is no one will ever listen.

Yeah, somehow I wouldn't compare Neteller to Betislands.

I also got paid by Neteller.

[tto827]

ill find my posts
but u doesnt say SBR knew

I KNEW
SWEEP KNEW
a shitload of people knew

when they were shopping the sheet to other books. Some of the people at those books told their Clients what was going on

u want the email tto?

I trust you that there is one, but my premise this whole thread has been asking for proof, so ya if you've got an email I would love to see it.
Everyone else here just called me a shill and couldn't produce anything, I do know you urged people away, and there must have been a reason.

[Mikeyanks23]

ill copy it tto just gotta remove the names

[Mikeyanks23]

Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 12:41:02 PM
Subject: Re:

Yeah I heard the same thing. Terrible situation when anyone gets stiffed give the whole industry a black eye.

I have been hearing for a long time that BI was in big trouble. They got a huge sharp package of guys from SBR that are killing them. Something like over a million dollars in sharp account balances. penetrating time bomb! Hence the reason SBR is up their asses with lips puckered, if it fails they will be looking terrible for pushing it down the posters throats saying everything is ok all the time. If you have noticed they are letting more and more little complaints about BI hit the boards.

I guess John might be going to take a break before it explodes. From what I hear he is a good guy and cares about the biz. Just does not have the backing to save it. So who knows.

[Mikeyanks23]

can post a screen shot as well if you think i wrote it

[tto827]

Na yanks its good. Really appreciate you posting it. SBR dropped the bomb here, no other way to put it. Just determining intent is what it's important now.
Hopefully they just missed it...

[Mikeyanks23]

Na yanks its good. Really appreciate you posting it. SBR dropped the bomb here, no other way to put it. Just determining intent is what it's important now.
Hopefully they just missed it...

ya hopefully

[The Kraken]

Almost impossible to determine intent. Without some sort of email it's all speculation.

Not that this replaces anyone's money including mine but I've honestly only heard good things about John from the people here I know and respect. So I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt and believe him when he says he got taken for a ride here as well.

Hes answered my questions to my satisfaction and i understand not naming names. he also basically admitted there will be no bailouts so there's no choice for me but to lick my wounds and move on.

[avanbarksdale]

Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 12:41:02 PM
Subject: Re:

Yeah I heard the same thing. Terrible situation when anyone gets stiffed give the whole industry a black eye.

I have been hearing for a long time that BI was in big trouble. They got a huge sharp package of guys from SBR that are killing them. Something like over a million dollars in sharp account balances. penetrating time bomb! Hence the reason SBR is up their asses with lips puckered, if it fails they will be looking terrible for pushing it down the posters throats saying everything is ok all the time. If you have noticed they are letting more and more little complaints about BI hit the boards.

I guess John might be going to take a break before it explodes. From what I hear he is a good guy and cares about the biz. Just does not have the backing to save it. So who knows.

yanks is a true posting legend

i will be sending that $469 bottle of wine

hope ur okay mike

[boeing power]

Have you guys checked out affilitateguarddog? Interesting stuff on BI and SSLP

Thanks.

Posts from November stating BI was not paying affiliates.

One affiliate said this will trickle down to the players, stay away.

Too bad SBR didn't know about any of this.

[Mikeyanks23]

yanks is a true posting legend

i will be sending that $469 bottle of wine

hope ur okay mike

hmmm who r u

[Robber]

Has anyone realized what company actually owns ************ and other forums we visit. This goes deeper than you would ever imagine. Never seen so many gullable people.

Do you ever stfu? God you're annoying

[Hankwins]

[QUOTE=tto827;17210890]Because you couldn't afford the $200 to be connected to SBR.[/QUOTE

you should hok up with bigdeem you both have childish high school mentality about "SBR PRO" status and posting that in a thread relative to players losing thousands of dollars real classy!

Also i do recall you posting you neer played betislands.

[Hankwins]

Translation: You lost, we won. Get over it. If you don't like it, screw off.

You are now encouraging your user base NOT to use your services. Business 101: You want every single customer to use every single product or service you provide. I don't see any extra incentive being offered for your customers to re-up or stick around. This is so disheartening on so many levels...

Too funny, stick with our A rated books, use the B rated books we charge huge advertising fee's at your own discretion.

[tto827]

[QUOTE=Hankwins;17227602]

Because you couldn't afford the $200 to be connected to SBR.[/QUOTE

you should hok up with bigdeem you both have childish high school mentality about "SBR PRO" status and posting that in a thread relative to players losing thousands of dollars real classy!

Also i do recall you posting you neer played betislands.

I've got no problem with classy non-pros such as you, allaboutthe$, vegas (sometimes), and I'm sure I'm forgetting a few, the others I am going to give a hard time. But in this thread I do regret saying that.

[coop]

Yes you're robbed...SBR set you up and made you their bitch...tough luck...SBRJohn offered a terrible excuse for an apology. SBR and BetIslands are 1.5 mil richer and SBR members are 1.5 million poorer

why do people think this? There is no one on a beach with a case of 1.5 million dollars. The 1.5 million dollars figure is player account funds. Aka winnings. This far exceeded the cash they had on hand. They got buried by sharps, which is why once they lost backing they were immediately insolvent.

Also, if SBR released the information about BI being fukked when they found out a month ago, what difference would it have made??? They release the info - BI is dead on the spot. People are acting like if SBR came forward a month ago, everyone would have gotten magically paid. Yes, its bullshit they still allowed deposits, but if they stopped those, someone would have outed them. Not saying anything gave Betislands a chance to AT LEAST TRY to find a different investor, which I'm sure they were being urged and convinced to do by Jon.

SBR chose to look out for the bookie due to their personal and business relationship with him and hope that he could perhaps salvage player funds, versus outing him a month ago and posters have ZERO chance of getting their money back.

SBR fukked up and compounded all of this by insulting everyone's intelligence with the "we just found out days ago" routine.

But don't try to paint it like it was some fukking white collar crime Danny Ocean heist. It was a shitty bookie who took on any and all action and lost money consistently and had his backing pulled. He was just a halfwit moron who instead of paying back the small % he would have been able to decided to take it .

[Hankwins]

SBR posters or player lost no where near 1.5 million out of pocket. I am not defending SBR but I suspect if you could get every legit player to give you a figure on how much they sent in there and never got any payment at all it would be way under 100K.

If they had 1.5 million they would have enough to cover their balances. And they wouldnt have closed up shop.

I think you're right, they went broke from not protecting player funds by way of offering promo's and accepting large wagers the business could not sustain.My guess and simply a guess would be SBR was elated with the commision from endorsing BI and towards the end new they were dealing with what had turned into a ponzi shecme. Betislands had SBR in their back pocket becuase they were happy to fully endorse a high risk operation that ran the risk of going belly up. Bottom line i doubt their was NOT 1.5 million dollars to steal at the end but just much profits to be chopped along the way in what became a ponzi scheme.

[Hankwins]

What a stress factory, I remember when they stopped sending checks and went to p2p only, that was an obvious sign there they had no funds to pay heavy hitters.

[horja1]

... if SBR released the information about BI being fukked when they found out a month ago, what difference would it have made??? They release the info - BI is dead on the spot.

this ... if SBR would have said "BI is done" on the 1st of November BI would have died in a few days and none of the people who got paid in Nov and Dec would have received any money

[Optional]

What's the odds Jon played the original backer for a patsy too?

[boeing power]

this ... if SBR would have said "BI is done" on the 1st of November BI would have died in a few days and none of the people who got paid in Nov and Dec would have received any money

Fuk off ,

The amount of people that deposited Always outnumbers the withdrawals.

You won a free tourney here so you would suk off Lou or John .

Gtfo

[Hankwins]

this tatoo guy "jon" the "general manager" really put himself in an icky spot becuase I bet there are 3 to four players (includes the "financial backer") . this was a failed business but stolen money was chopped several ways. The mysterious backer could have been the biggest benefactor and mr jon is running around with a pissy little bankroll looking over his shoulder.

[wtt0315]

Bi took in 200k in deposits per week since first nov. sbr could of saved a lot of people money. All that money went straight into their pockets. Very few people got paid compared to what they took in.

this ... if SBR would have said "BI is done" on the 1st of November BI would have died in a few days and none of the people who got paid in Nov and Dec would have received any money

[wtt0315]

You guys are missing the point if sbr would of came forward you are right people still wouldn't of got paid but people would of stopped depositing also. By sbr keeping client they allowed people to deposit an average of 200k per week that went straight into their pockets and is sitting with them right now at their other book. I know for a fact that Ryan flew to the u.s on November 16th and picked up a 40k deposit that went straight into their pockets
This pure and simple is theft

why do
people think this? There is no one on a beach with you a case of 1.5 million dollars. The 1.5 million dollars figure is player account funds. Aka winnings. This far exceeded the cash they had on hand. They got buried by sharps, which is why once they lost backing they were immediately insolvent.

Also, if SBR released the information about BI being fukked when they found out a month ago, what difference would it have made??? They release the info - BI is dead on the spot. People are acting like if SBR came forward a month ago, everyone would have gotten magically paid. Yes, its bullshit they still allowed deposits, but if they stopped those, someone would have outed them. Not saying anything gave Betislands a chance to AT LEAST TRY to find a different investor, which I'm sure they were being urged and convinced to do by Jon.

SBR chose to look out for the bookie due to their personal and business relationship with him and hope that he could perhaps salvage player funds, versus outing him a month ago and posters have ZERO chance of getting their money back.

SBR fukked up and compounded all of this by insulting everyone's intelligence with the "we just found out days ago" routine.

But don't try to paint it like it was some fukking white collar crime Danny Ocean heist. It was a shitty bookie who took on any and all action and lost money consistently and had his backing pulled. He was just a halfwit moron who instead of paying back the small % he would have been able to decided to take it .

[sportsbetwin]

Big hit to SBR credibility.
I have always shaken my head at some of their ratings.
Some ordinary books as A.
Some dodgy books as B.
Some very solid books at C.

[dmtrader]

developing an offshore book is a pretty speculative business, with lots of ups and downs, draw downs as people win on a big bet like the Super Bowl and times of great profits when the square bets lose time and time again

I remember when this forum was on fire with rumors that Matchbook was about to go under. It didn't, but if I recall a big investor had to save them.

These enterprises can go under at any time. There is no federal watchdog like the FDIC overseeing them, or any legal recourse for you - the gambler.

the moral is: if you ship your money off shore, you take your chances.

[horja1]

Fuk off ,

The amount of people that deposited Always outnumbers the withdrawals.

You won a free tourney here so you would suk off Lou or John .

Gtfo

Indeed ... they saved my life with that tourney ... I hope you are not as stupid and ignorant as you sound

Bi took in 200k in deposits per week since first nov. sbr could of saved a lot of people money. All that money went straight into their pockets. Very few people got paid compared to what they took in.

by that time there were rumors already about BI's problems ... regardless of what SBR did or didn't do after the 1st of November, anyone who made deposits since November can't really be too smart ....