Safe to continue wagering at Actionbets?

[Dark Horse]

LET END THIS!!

I love it. It has kind of a Shakespearean quality. Like "Let end this, Mercutio, and be done with what bloody business ever!!"

It really gets embarassing when one person's multiple identities are so obvious.

At least give the alias sniffing dogs a challenge.

LMAO.

Let look at the facts; just in this thread:

- the 'let end this' person told Aden that he sent him two ID's. Direct admission of a scam.

- TLV702 comes to this person's aid, and confirms that this individual is indeed two persons. In other words, TLV is in on it.

Just for the record, I'm totally for nailing any book that stiffs players. That just doesn't seem to be the case here.

Let, at least, give Actionbets the benefit of the doubt here. These are good people. They don't deserve to be taken down because a bunch of scammers gets caught with their hands in the cookie jar.

[Dark Horse]

The interesting character is Adam, who, apparently, was a NEW employee when all this took place. And he moved on to another book already?

It does take some skill to gain the trust of a book that gives high bonuses, and then bring your group of scammers on board. I'm not suggesting that this is how things unfolded, but if they did, that would make Adam kind of fascinating. Question: did Adam come on board for the purpose of scamming the book? Is he a con artist? The reason I'm asking is because he was a new employee, who apparently didn't waste any time to get things rolling.

WTF is Adam? lol

[Santo]

Adam bought a bunch of people over from RichCoastSports apparantly, so I wonder if CRIS have looked to see if they have similar accounts.

[mt92131]

Dark-shit, Why dont you go and join Aden and eat shit. Your dirty mouth doesnt belong in this room. Open your damn mouth w/ no evidences. Your mouth is only good for you know what.

[Stumpage]

Truly, this thread is approaching legendary status.....Between the hieroglyphics of the "sentences" of the guy(s) with all the numbers in his(their) name(s), and some of the hilarious one-liners from Dark Horse and MudCat, this has given me a new reason to check the SBR Forum every hour or so. Keep it up, please.....Who needs a good book?

[Dark Horse]

It isn't too hard for gamblers to avoid books that stiff players. But it is much harder to know which books may be targeted by organized scammers. Actionbets came with excellent recommendations (for a C book) on this forum not very long ago. So I sure hope there is a blacklist to warn books about 'employees' like Adam (and whatever other names he may use).

If these scammers at Actionbets hadn't been caught, honest gamblers would have lost their funds if the book indeed had gone belly-up. In plain English: scammers steal from you and me! Sure, the book will pick up the tab, but if the funds dry up that money is coming straight out of our pockets...

[Dark Horse]

Dark-shit, Why dont you go and join Aden and eat shit. Your dirty mouth doesnt belong in this room. Open your damn mouth w/ no evidences. Your mouth is only good for you know what.

Hear that sound boy?
That's the sound of fate catching up with you.

There's only one place you're going, buddy.
And I hope your sorry ass is ready for it.

[TLD]

I almost always side with the player in these bonus disputes. A “bonus whore” to me is no better or worse than a “low vig whore” or a “line shopping whore” or a “steam whore” or a “gets injury information early whore” or anything else. They’re all just people who’ve found a way to play at positive-EV. Of course the books don’t like that, and they’d love to have only “recreational” players who fall into none of these categories, but I don’t see why my assessment should fall in line with their perspective.

It sounds like some subliterate bozo got a bunch of relatives and/or friends to sign up with this book because he realized that by exploiting the deposit and referral bonuses offered by the book’s employee they could make some nice cash. Maybe that’s contrary to the “spirit” of sportsbook bonuses, but I don’t think that’s nearly enough to warrant confiscating accounts (or going into slow pay mode across the board for all customers while “investigations” are conducted to see whose money is to be seized).

I couldn’t say for sure about this case without seeing all the evidence. But right now I’d lean toward the book being in the wrong. It sounds like Bill—who has obviously seen a lot of evidence I haven’t—is in that position.

(Not a knock on Aden as an individual in any way. He seems like a decent man and I appreciate his civil posts. Can’t say the same on either count about his adversary in this thread.)

[increasedodds]

I talked to my friend again today - he's owed about $400 by Action as an affiliate. They don't deny this, but are working on the affiliate program.

He tells me he emailed Aden again yesterday, but has not heard back. Action was able to send him some kind of 100% deposit bonus thing.

I can not place judgement on the issues in this thread, but I can tell you if an affiliate can not get paid, that is not good news.

I'm not gonna name him cause I dont want Action just paying him. I want to know they are paying all their affiliates before I even consider saying they are legit.

-Sean

[Catsfan]

Well, I just spent an hour of my time reading this thread. What a mess. Very hillarious. I don't think the scammers have any chance of being paid. AB should have handled the situation much better. I had an account at Legendz and referred a buddy of mine. The day he signed up he was at my house and I was showing him what everything looked like and how to place a bet. He did not even make a bet. The next time I logged into my legendz account they froze my account because they notced we both had the same IP address. When I explained to them that I was just showing him the web site they asked that he fax over his driver's license. He did and neither one of us had any problems after that. I think AB's and other companies should check IP addresses as so as a new player opens an account. If they find that there are similar addresses they should address the situation immediately not let the players play for months and then call them out. With that said I don't feel sorry for the guys that were running this scam but AB's should have handled this situation differently.
What book is this Adam guy currently working for?

[pags11]

wonder what more is to come of this situation this week?...

[increasedodds]

If you encourage people to refer their friends, IP addresses are going to overlap. Giving a bonus to refer your friends and then bitching about an IP address is stupid.

Who do you think watches games with me? My gambling friends.

Where are my gambling friends when they are watching the game with me and want to get in a bet on the next game. hmmm.. Oh, they are at my apartment.

If you want new customers from old customers expect IP overlap. Just ask for IDs and that is the end of it.

If you never want to get scammed, don't offer referral or sign up bonuses. It is that simple.

-Sean

[isetcap]

Once again, if you want to be a real sportsbook; a genuine institution in the highly competitive world of bookmaking, then you must subscribe to at least one rule:

If you accept the action then you must pay on the action.

A well-managed book would have cut off this action long before it ever reached this level. Since Action Bets did not manage their business well, they must now pay for it one way or another.

[TLasVegas702]

to CATSFAN

suicide account my friend.

as long as the account lose..you and your friend is ok

once the account is winning...a good excuse for same IP
address. money lost...

suicidal account my friend.
i don't care what management may say now...what will new management or someone else at legendz will say

[Catsfan]

[QUOTE=TLasVegas702]suicide account my friend.

as long as the account lose..you and your friend is ok

once the account is winning...a good excuse for same IP
address. money lost...

suicidal account my friend.
i don't care what management may say now...what will new management or someone else at legendz will say[/QUOTE
???

[pags11]

I believe that TLasVegas is saying that ActionBets will find any reason possible not to pay a winner at this point...

[isetcap]

???

TLas is saying that you should not be surprised if at some point in time (perhaps after you've won a large sum of money), the book pulls the IP card on you and confiscates funds even though at this moment in time everything appears to be OK.

[poolstag]

I can only comment on my own experience at Action Bets ...

I deposited $2500 and got $500 bonus.

I started off with a few large wagers ($500-$1000). When I realised that Action Bets were in trouble, and I might not be paid if I won, I reduced my wagers to $100 and finally to $50.

It took quite a long time (2-3 weeks of placing 10-15 wagers a day) to complete my wager requirement. As soon as I completed the WR, I withdrew my remaining balance ($2,200). I received the funds back in my Neteller account almost immediately.

I had no problem receiving a payout, so they ARE paying at least some of their customers.

I wasn't too impressed with customer services (terse replies via livechat, no reply at all to emails) and I wouldn't play here again, at least until their SBR rating improves.

However, if you're working through a WR at Action Bets, there's no reason to give up hope!

[Mudcat]

I am curious if anyone has any comments about this PM I got (which I got permission to copy here) which has me a bit stumped.



Mudcat, this may be a weird question but I am trying to work through a rollover at AB and I am up a lot. I believe they have the ability to pay when I get there, but I am more worried about them saying I'm a "scammer."

I'm not, and no one else ever uses this computer so there can't be any IP address issues, but I don't know how they decide who is a scammer. If they want to say it just because I'm up a lot, I don't know how to prove I'm not.

I don't think they would do that but I don't know.

So my question is, should I ask them point blank right now to decide if I'm a scammer and get an answer in writing? Because if they do there's no point placing any more bets. But would I look guilty just for asking?

I'll tell you right now, I feel like a scammer just asking this question.

[Ortho]

Yes. This person should behave as if they've done nothing wrong, and, frankly, that would be my answer whether they are actually a scammer or not. If the book was going to try to make up a pretense for stealing the money, they would do so whether he headed it off by attempting to make them force their hand. Since that doesn't appear to be the case here, and if the things that the PM says are true, he would appear to have nothing to worry about and shouldn't worry about it. Certainly, you never want to raise "do you think I'm a scammer" as an issue with anyone, I wouldn't think, and if you are honest it just seems like inviting unneeded trouble.

But as I get more into sportsbetting, I am starting to realize that life is too short to deal with places where there is any doubt at all about whether I'm going to have problems getting my money. My edge is thin enough as it is.