Before this mess, i know Aden is a good guy. I deal with him a few times. But since he is still employed by Actionbets, his lips are sealed. Do the right thing, Aden.
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Grow up TLasVegas702 . Keep my personal life out of this. That's just straight up immature.Originally posted by TLasVegas702AdenComment -
Aden, I think you would do the same if you had your money stolen by a shit sportsbook and could do nothing about it.Comment -
It's not the type of plays. There are 2 reasons:Originally posted by isetcap
1. We have enough evidence to show beyond a doubt that MULTIPLE accounts are being run by a very small handful of people.
2. This very small handful of people had already received massive amounts of payouts with their 30+ accounts. So the money used on these last deposits was money that we had sent them in bonuses, fees, etc that they were not entitled to. Even confiscating the funds, these people are still largely up on us. Not from their gambling ability, but from the bonuses they fradulently received. Ill-received bonuses that were paid out total up to more than current balances.
Let me reiterate, the ONE person that we had ANY doubt on, is receiving his funds in FULL.AdenComment -
aden...good to hear from you
i'm glad to hear from you. Nothing personal but that's the only way for us to hear you speak.
anyhow...30+ account confisciate. One player had 18K. How much did the company steal? I know at least $100,000 (do the math) and i know the bonus scam can't accumulate upto or more than $100,000. That is robbing.
Aden.. tell actionbet that they lost. Their system fail: first the 7 days hold before withdrawal. 2nd, the 12x rollover changed from 6x rollover. 3rd, who authorized the bonus once the deposit made? All that chance for the company to make money and they didn't. Tell the manager of actionbet to pay all players. IT'S THE RIGHT THING.
Aden..we know you personnal as a good guy BUT you just got caught in the crossfire. Consider looking for another job?
care to speak for us?Comment -
Aden, Are you tellling me that you were giving out more that 50K in bonuses? F***k that. Nobody says you stupid. if you shut your mouth. Such a liar. You cant even lie man. Come clean man.Comment -
Actionbets - when you lose and cant pay, so you come up with excuses. That is normal. But against me, f u.Comment -
30+ accounts involved over the course of the scam. NOT 30+ accounts with a current balance. And I already did the math, that's what I get paid for. Just bonuses add up to more than current balances. That's without counting bonus winnings. You need to get your buddies from SanDiego to explain things a little better.
Originally posted by TLasVegas702AdenComment -
let do the Math....
30 players deposit...let say $2000 with 25% bonus..
each player balance $2500
a) 30 x 2000 = $60,000 (real money)
25% bonus = $15,000 (bonus money not real)
total money = $75,000
think the LAW OF AVERAGE 50/50.
B) 30 PLAYERs: 15 players lost all (total $37,500)
15 players won (total $75k)
each player balance 5k
c) remeber 12x rollover...
round 2 : 7 players lost all ($35k)
7 players win ($70k) each player 10k
round 3 : 3 players lost all ($30k)
4 players win ($80k) each player balance 20k
round 4:2players lost all ($40k)
1 players win ($40k)
notice:
only 1 player won 40k. That is a lot of money for 1 account. Would you leave 40k in an account. Nah... think about it...even if the guy met the rollover of 12 times..withdraw and redeposit. The money would eventually come back to actionbet. Whatever the reason is...always remeber the "law of average" or every casino in las vegas know...the longer you stay at 1 place...you will lose it all. Keep all players..make them happy because at the end, they will lose.
actionbet...pay all players... closed your door and create a new website "moreactionbet". Actionbet name is now consider a scam site.
thanks for reading..
p.s. it cost more than $100,000 to fix the damage? who did you hire? bill gates or warren buffet to fix?
LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I THINK. THE COMPANY ACTIONBET WERE THINKING OF SCAMMING PLAYERS MONEY. IN RETURN, THE "LAW OF AVERAGE" WILL NOT WORK HERE. GOD KNOW IT AND PUNISH THEM BY MAKING THEM LOSE. ACTIONBET LOST SO MUCH THAT THE ONLY ALTERNATE IS TO FOLLOW THRU THE SCAMMING PROCEDURE.Comment -
You definitely can turn things your way when you're making up the numbers.Originally posted by TLasVegas702AdenComment -
Actionbets - get this straight ok, you were the one that soliciting us for the bonus in the first place...sent emails almost everyday. Now you lose, you want your f***** bonus money back? f u. That is insane. f u again.Comment -
So far nobody is denying that they had multiple accounts to scam bonuses.
I personally don't consider bonus scammers part of the gamblers brotherhood so I have zero loyalty towards them. If you lost all your money, too bad. You didn't come to gamble, you came to steal.
If you didn't have multiple accounts show your ID and you should be fine. If you can't, just shut the f*ck up and stop wasting everybody's time.Comment -
The bottom line is Actionbets is a scammed operation. To answer this question "is safe to wager on Actionbets?" hell NO!!!!! 30+ accounts people have mutli-account, did we all send you id and 2 documents to veriflied the address??? I lost 18k to this sh** scammed sportsbook. Aden, Jason, and littlemissi (Ginny) are nice people but they all go to hell and hope somethings bad happened to them. These people are the people we need to keep an eyes on.....Comment -
Dark horse....Each one of us have only one acc....We did send pic id to prove it. And also, Neteller has cleared all our names. They are just scamming us man.Comment -
If I were a sportsbook, which I'm obviously not, the statement you just made would raise all sort of red flags.Originally posted by mt92131
You know the others who are involved?!
Do you know that there are books that don't take ANY action from Denmark anymore because of bonus scammers?
If I wanted to I could set up fifty accounts, through friends and family members, each with their own Neteller account and ID (this could be lucrative if you did it at multiple books -all with high bonuses- and just play the accounts against each other). But I love gambling, not scamming. You may get some sympathy here, but not from me. I think we can all do without organized bonus scammers.
I would trust any serious gambler over any businessman. There's a code among gamblers, that allows them to lend each other large sums of money, without signing for it, and they're always good for it. You guys come into this world, this brotherhood, without any code. You're not gamblers at all. You're like f*cking lawyers looking for loopholes. You know these old westerns, where a cheating poker player gets caught? Tar and feathers, buddy.Comment -
I think you're exagerrating big time.Originally posted by Dark Horse
No sane person would allow you to open and operate CC or even bank account on his behalf (except maybe closest relatives or friends, one or two persons).Comment -
The Lims ain't happy.
And when the Lims ain't happy, ain't nobody happy.Comment -
Oh well. You shot down my entire argument.Originally posted by SquareShooter
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If the store employee was discounting prices without your knowledge, are you going to mug the customer to recover the firesale he had?Originally posted by BK
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Adam <adam@actionbets.com> wrote:
xxx, how are you? I hate to be a pain in your butt, but tomorrow is the super bowl and I would like to set you up with the 25% cash bonus.
Action bets offers -108 juice on NBA, NFL, and NCAA.
If you are interested please reply my friend.
Regards
Adam
1-800-801-7390 Ext. 4430
Player: Dont worry buddy....i will make the deposit soon...just short of money righ now. talk to u later.Comment -
Adam <adam@actionbets.com> wrote:
Make sure you email me the persons you refer from now on so they can get there bonus.
Adam
Player: i will do.....if you take care of me and the others, more of my friends will come.Comment -
Adam <adam@actionbets.com> wrote:
I see you referred another buddy, thank you. I would like you to email me anytime you refer someone or I won’t get my % Thanks a lot buddy.
Regards
Adam
Player: Sorry Adam.... i will email next time i refer someboby.Comment -
dark horse and aden
u r so stupid? u don.t know what the hell is going on u r taking side already? u don.t care cause u dont have any money in actionbets? how much did aden pay u just 4 taking his side, u stupid dark shit? 2 aden why dont u pay the players and closed ur fucken shop. after what u did to us u think u will still make $. u ungrateful punk dont u know that sd is the one that pay u ur fucken wedding. maybe if u pay all the players budda might 4give u, 4 ur sin..Comment -
This email was sent in March?? Players were active for how many months after this?
sent: Wed 3/1/2006 12:39 PM
Adam <adam@actionbets.com> wrote:
xxx, I would like to ask you a favor, the main owner is coming back on Monday I will speak to him about your situation and he will make the final decision about you referral bonus.
I promise to talk on your behalf and get you and xxxreferral.
Because the manager does not want to give you or xxxx the referral because he believes you guy are referring your self.
Give me a week.
Adam
what the F****. You know us from Richcoast. Want each of us to send the the PIC ID over?Comment -
Adam,
First of all, thankyou for looking out for us. I have played by the rule. I gave your guys alot of actions. I lose, I keep playing. But when I win, i am entitle to withdraw. What is wrong with that? Anyway, just want to say thankyou to you. I dont care about the the referral bonus. I am still tell my friends to come. And I will come back. Thankyou.
Adam <adam@actionbets.com> wrote:
xxx, first I would like to appreciate your patience and understanding of the situation. I just had a meeting with the owner on your behalf and told him that I knew you from Rich Coast sports and that you guys are cool and not trying to scam us.
So I got you your referral for xxxxx, unfortunately the owner does not want anymore of your referrals due that you are no longer active with us. You made 1 deposit cashed out and that was it.
So buddy, tell your friends that there will be no more referrals to anyone who the supervisors think of a possible scam.
Sorry for all of this you know I am on your side, good luck.
Regards
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Nothing to add, bro. Your vibe does all the talking.Originally posted by elcajon101
Did I get paid by Actionbets? Yes. Was it a stressful month to meet the rollover (before the money could be gone) because A-holes like you attacked the book? You better believe it.Comment -
ActionBets has always been honest with players and SBR. I don't think they intended to cheat anyone and they don't feel they are cheating anyone now.
But, AB has to take some responsibility for their mistakes. There was ample time to cut these players off. The IPs were always there.
Player were betting while their accounts were under "investigation". Anything won during that time should be paid without a doubt.
We've suggested a couple of compromises and we are still hopeful this can be resolved.Comment -
I would most definitely take legal action if the customer was in on it.Originally posted by Bill Dozer
However, I need to point out that in the scenario you describe here, the employee is the one that is committing the corrupt activity and the customer just happens to take advantage of it.
That wasn't the case with this group. In this case the customers were the ones that were doing the scam, and the employee was covering for them.
The biggest problem was here:
We trusted Adam. We trusted him because he was supposed to be sharing a common goal with us. He was getting a cut on losses, so ideally he would not help a scam group because that would put him in a red figure and he would not get his commission.Originally posted by Bill Dozer
However, we found that wasn't the case. And we did find out too late.
To us he would be saying that he knew them, they were cool. And to them he would say things like: "Stop being so obvious, you need to use different computers. Sign up from different computers so it registers different IP addresses." He would email them from his personal email when necessary, not his ActionBets email.AdenComment -
Aden, you are such a liar now. During investigation, I asked you questions, you would have no comments at all and told me you dont know anything. But now you seem to know everything....answer all questions in the forum. You are just a puppet, Aden..The boss tells you to sit, you sit. He tells you to eat shit, you would too.Comment -
The players in this case just make it so hard for you to feel sorry for them... all this "go to hell", "maybe budda will forgive you" stuff and the general tone of the posts..
I take it from BK's recent post that "Adam" was recieving a cut from the players, hence why he didn't care about comission? If that's the case, and proven, I think it's fairly decisive imo..Comment -
Santo, please dont open your shitting mouth. Adam, the employee, works for Actionbets, not me. So stupid... The only cut he will get is a piss of your ass Santo... so idiot.Comment -
How many of these new posters are in this thread? Or do they just all talk the same? No bonuses here, folks. Move on.Comment -
So why wasn't that the case?
We trusted Adam. We trusted him because he was supposed to be sharing a common goal with us. He was getting a cut on losses, so ideally he would not help a scam group because that would put him in a red figure and he would not get his commission.
However, we found that wasn't the case. And we did find out too late.Comment -
I had said we trusted him and we figured he wouldn't help the scam group. But he did help them and we couldn't trust him.Originally posted by Santo
Now the posibility of him getting a cut is very real and it definitely has crossed my mind. But I have no proof.Originally posted by Santo
The other reason he might have helped them is the fact that he was getting a commission from us. So he took a risk: get them to deposit large amounts of money and hope they lose. If they win, the book has to pay them and he just goes to another book where he doesn't have a red figure. However, if they lose then he gets a fat comission check. He actually did leave without telling us and was switching his package over to another book behind our back. He would come in a couple of days a week to act like he was still here.
Whatever his reason, he did help them. There is no doubt about that.AdenComment -
Very classy...Apparently, differing opinions like the one offered by Santo are not allowed in this thread. I'll be the first to admit, as I have earlier, that this whole scenario does not reflect well on ActionBets, in my opinion...However, reading the above drivel does little for any sense of compassion I might have, at least with respect to this charmer. Good luck, because I doubt you'll find any assistance here and you're sure as hell going to need it...Originally posted by mt92131Comment -
Please get your facts straight before posting.Originally posted by Dark Horse
The reason Danes are excluded from a very few books is not bonus scamming (although some books use that as an excuse). Instead it is bonus hunting which you would stupid not to.
The Vegas Strip group of casinos were the first to exclude Danes. They claimed it was due to chargebacking, which of course wasn't true. Instead the reason was that the Danes were too smart. They deposited only for the bonus and the casinos got killed.Comment
