I don't think the Bears/Giants Game is a Trap

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  • dynamite140
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    • 07-05-08
    • 4958

    #1
    I don't think the Bears/Giants Game is a Trap
    Normally i see this is a trap game with Giants laying 4 points at home and playing horrible against the Bears. Most people would quickly jump on the Bears quicking getting 4 points whereas other more experienced players will take the Giants -4. If i had to choose, i normally take the Giants here. However, there are a few things that are a bit concerning. The line has went from -3 to -4 and most people would take the Bears because they are undefeated.

    But there were 2 situations last year that were very similar. It was the Denver Broncos who were I think... 4-0 playing against the Chargers who were 2-2 and Chargers laying 3 points with -125 juice. I think many people said Denver was a fraud and that Chargers would beat them easily even though Broncos were undefeated. However, most normal joes would take broncos with their undefeated record and getting points. I mean it looked too easy to take Denver because of their record and chargers were not doing so well and had to lay points. What happened? Denver won by 9 i think.

    Then later that season, the Chargers were red hot. I think they won 8 games in a row or something like that and went to Dallas and Dallas was struggling. Not sure their record but they were 2 or 3 games worst than the Chargers in the win column. The easy play looked to be the Chargers +3 since they were much superior than the cowboys and were on a huge winning streak. It looked very easy to take them. But other fade the public players took the Cowboys -3 (-125) juice i recalled. What happened? Chargers won the game in the late 3rd or early 4th quarter. I think they won by at least 10 in that game.

    This game is a really tough call. It looks like a trap, but i do know in the NFL, more sucker bets lose than win though NOT BY MUCH. Otherwise everyone can win money just by fading the sucker bet. However, this game really looks like a trap to get you to bite on the Giants as oppose to the Bears. Anyone else feel the same?
  • chizzy
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    • 07-18-10
    • 310

    #2
    ill definitely be playing the bears on the ML
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    • Scorpion
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      • 09-04-05
      • 7797

      #3
      all in on the bears
      the bears are for real
      cuntler is playing great
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      • rhymenocerous
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        • 08-27-10
        • 324

        #4
        The giants are not a good football team right now. The bears are. Trust your eyes. Dont overthink this one.
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        • jroc227
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          • 09-06-10
          • 55

          #5
          Originally posted by rhymenocerous
          The giants are not a good football team right now. The bears are. Trust your eyes. Dont overthink this one.

          That's why this is such a tough call. This line BEGS educated bettors to overthink it.

          I've been thinking about this a lot lately - how we're not playing against the linemakers. We're essentially playing against the linemakers playing against the public.

          It's a tough gig haha.
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          • LT Profits
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            • 10-27-06
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            #6
            For those of you that think the Bears have value, consider that if this game was played two weeks ago, the line would have been Giants -6.

            Instead, the Giants lose two non-conference games and everyone thinks the Bears are suddenly world beaters and this line gets skewed. Don't believe the hype!

            The Giants are the better team and they have all the value at -4 at home.
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            • RonPaul2008
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              • 06-08-07
              • 6741

              #7
              The Bears have a very good defense.

              4 points is too much.

              Line should be no more then 3, i'd set it at Giants -2.5
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              • Joe Dogs
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                • 07-20-09
                • 1931

                #8
                I'm leaning Bears...But don't like the short week factor,plus a big emotional win over packers on Monday night

                I'm thinking Chicago might come in to East Rutherford with a Monday night hangover.....And a tad flat.
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                • koby25
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                  • 10-14-08
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                  #9
                  Gonna be a real good game
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                  • EmpireMaker
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                    • 06-18-09
                    • 15585

                    #10
                    I think that the Bears are just a better team right now.
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                    • mlb
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                      • 12-04-09
                      • 10509

                      #11
                      Empire... I agree so why is the line where it is ... Most people thought the Packers were a way better team and that line proved to be off
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                      • milwaukee mike
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                        • 08-22-07
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                        #12
                        every time you think something ISN'T a trap...
                        it is!
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                        • thebestthereis
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                          • 03-01-09
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                          #13
                          if cutler throws zero picks in this game they may win. hedge your bet because the odds of that happening is 2500 to 1.
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                          • d2bets
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by LT Profits
                            For those of you that think the Bears have value, consider that if this game was played two weeks ago, the line would have been Giants -6.

                            Instead, the Giants lose two non-conference games and everyone thinks the Bears are suddenly world beaters and this line gets skewed. Don't believe the hype!

                            The Giants are the better team and they have all the value at -4 at home.
                            Maybe, and if so, then the Bears would have been a gift. Consider though that Bears were only +7 @ Dallas after a shaky home win vs. Detroit. Cowboys were and are better than the Giants in reality and perception. So that 6 is a max max and+6 is not that much different than +4, much smaller jump than the +3 to +4.

                            I think best case scenario for NYG is the 3 is a good line. 4 is a huge leap.
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                            • d2bets
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by thebestthereis
                              if cutler throws zero picks in this game they may win. hedge your bet because the odds of that happening is 2500 to 1.
                              You mean sorta like he did on the road against the Giants' division rival Cowboys. If he could pick apart that D after the pressure he was under early I don't see any reason why he can't this Sunday.
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                              • cadillac pete
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                                • 01-15-06
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                                #16
                                I am still aprehensive of trusting Jay Cutler. I've been burned too many times by his back breaking int's.
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                                • Thunder Gulch
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                                  • 08-30-10
                                  • 996

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by thebestthereis
                                  if cutler throws zero picks in this game they may win. hedge your bet because the odds of that happening is 2500 to 1.
                                  Cutler looks better under Martz, but the pick Monday night was a horrible decision and two other interceptions were taken away because of penalties. The Bears OL isn't good either, so if the Giants pressure the QB, they should create some turnovers.
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                                  • chaseman
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                                    • 01-06-09
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                                    #18
                                    I'm a huge Bears fan and follower. I've been on the Bears the first 3 games. STAY AWAY from this one. Giants have been TERRIBLE so far, but Eli has looked pretty good (other than 2 picks in the first quarter last game). The Bears have been giving up a lot of pass yards, and if Eli keeps hitting these receivers, they're bound to put up some points and quit shooting themselves in the foot.

                                    Just sit back and enjoy the Sunday night game. I kinda feel like the Bears are in for a letdown But I disagree with LT in saying that the Giants are a better team. They may bounce back on Sunday for a desperate win, but they have looked pitiful thus far--especially that defense.
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                                    • thebestthereis
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                                      • 03-01-09
                                      • 11459

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by d2bets
                                      You mean sorta like he did on the road against the Giants' division rival Cowboys. If he could pick apart that D after the pressure he was under early I don't see any reason why he can't this Sunday.
                                      if you think cutler is going to be different and thrive because of martz, make minimal mistakes, they you have no choice but to at least bet chicago win the NFC because that is very likely to happen if you think he has changed. for me he will make the same mistakes he always has and choke with bonehead decisions especially on the road, its the same story. that is what i am betting on.
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                                      • rhymenocerous
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                                        • 08-27-10
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by LT Profits
                                        For those of you that think the Bears have value, consider that if this game was played two weeks ago, the line would have been Giants -6.

                                        Instead, the Giants lose two non-conference games and everyone thinks the Bears are suddenly world beaters and this line gets skewed. Don't believe the hype!

                                        The Giants are the better team and they have all the value at -4 at home.
                                        Have you actually watched the Giants play this season?? Talk about believing hype...

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                                        • rhymenocerous
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                                          • 08-27-10
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                                          #21
                                          Besides, the Bears have beaten what are considered to be two of the best teams in the NFC (if not THE two best teams) back to back weeks (one on the road). How is it just hype at this point??

                                          The Giants have beaten one of the worst teams in the league, gotten destroyed by one of the best, and were dominated at home by a pretty average team.
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                                          • d2bets
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                                            • 08-10-05
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by chaseman
                                            I'm a huge Bears fan and follower. I've been on the Bears the first 3 games. STAY AWAY from this one. Giants have been TERRIBLE so far, but Eli has looked pretty good (other than 2 picks in the first quarter last game). The Bears have been giving up a lot of pass yards, and if Eli keeps hitting these receivers, they're bound to put up some points and quit shooting themselves in the foot.

                                            Just sit back and enjoy the Sunday night game. I kinda feel like the Bears are in for a letdown But I disagree with LT in saying that the Giants are a better team. They may bounce back on Sunday for a desperate win, but they have looked pitiful thus far--especially that defense.
                                            Eli has looked OK, except he was harassed badly by the Colts front, and also Tenn. I think the Bears front can do similar. I wonder if the O-Line has gotten any sleep this week with the thought of facing Julius Peppers, also still looking for revenge for Carolina's 2008 playoff loss to NYG. Peppers is a complete beast and looks motivated and hungry like never before. He is almost impossible to defend without holding him. Ask Mark Tauscher. Now then if Tommie Harris got the message from his benching last weekend comes back the way he ought to be capable of, Eli is going to be eating a ton of dirt. Urlacher and Briggs is the best LB combo in the NFL...and it's not even close. The Bears defense hasn't even played nearly up to its capabilities yet. Definitely had secondary issues being worked out and will have a change with Bowman likely being benched because he can't tackle (or cover for that matter).

                                            I'm looking at the -4/44.5 and seeing that the oddsmakers are giving them 24/24.5. Unless the Bears offense hands them a bunch, I don't see that happening. Bears defense not getting enough credit here.

                                            I like both the +4 and the U at 44.5. Another 20-17 game looks about right.
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                                            • rhymenocerous
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                                              • 08-27-10
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                                              #23
                                              20-17 sounds about right to me too. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Giants win, but I think the Bears at least keep it within a FG if they don't win outright.
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                                              • chaseman
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                                                #24
                                                I hope you're right d2bets!

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                                                • pavyracer
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                                                  • 04-12-07
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                                                  #25
                                                  OK here are the facts without traps and the other conspiracy boloney:

                                                  Bears beat the best team of the NFC East on the road. Now they are getting 4 points vs the worst team in NFC East. Giants most likely will be without Mannigham. So the Bears will double team Hakeem. The Giants have only one RB so Urlacher will focus on him. Now as far as Giants defense where do I start? They gave up 18 points to the worst team in the league on Week 1. They were unable to stop Colts or Titans a week after Vince Young was benched for not being able to move the ball.

                                                  Now all of a sudden the Giants are going to put on their uniforms and beat up the -4 spread vs a 3-0 team easily? What am I missing here?
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                                                  • hitman2010
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                                                    • 09-03-10
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                                                    #26
                                                    I agree with D2bet, this game would be U game.
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                                                    • thebestthereis
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                                                      • 03-01-09
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by pavyracer
                                                      OK here are the facts without traps and the other conspiracy boloney:

                                                      Bears beat the best team of the NFC East on the road. Now they are getting 4 points vs the worst team in NFC East. Giants most likely will be without Mannigham. So the Bears will double team Hakeem. The Giants have only one RB so Urlacher will focus on him. Now as far as Giants defense where do I start? They gave up 18 points to the worst team in the league on Week 1. They were unable to stop Colts or Titans a week after Vince Young was benched for not being able to move the ball.

                                                      Now all of a sudden the Giants are going to put on their uniforms and beat up the -4 spread vs a 3-0 team easily? What am I missing here?
                                                      Forget all of that stuff, there is no trap or conspiracy. This is a road game for the Bears coming off a huge win vs the team that was going to the Superbowl in their division. The Bears are not as good as their record and Cutler will find his favorite thing in the entire world (the pick) very shortly. This is a situational play on the Giants here, nothing else. The eyes say take the Bears of course it does you cannot make an argument for the Giants on paper right now. They have sucked ass for sure and the Bears haven't played bad so far. This line opened ay -3 and immediately went to -4, and there isn't a square on earth taking the Giants here so you do the math on the line move. The Giants might lose by 10 no doubt about it, but this spot is set up for the Giants to play well and the Bears to fade a bit, humans play the game XBOX does not. That is my 2 cents and that is the way it is. It doesn't mean anything other than those facts. There is no guarantee or lock here just like in any other game.
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                                                      • DrStale
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                                                        • 12-07-08
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                                                        #28
                                                        Giants win this game by 3 touchdowns
                                                        Originally posted by Dark Horse
                                                        If with religion you mean belief system, your belief system is your religion. Again, it matters not what it is. You believe in it, you are loyal to it, would defend it, and yet have no proof of it, other than that, at one point or another, you chose to believe in it. Self-hypnosis. What if there were a snapping of fingers that broke the hypnosis?
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                                                        • big0mar
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                                                          • 01-09-09
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by LT Profits
                                                          For those of you that think the Bears have value, consider that if this game was played two weeks ago, the line would have been Giants -6. Instead, the Giants lose two non-conference games and everyone thinks the Bears are suddenly world beaters and this line gets skewed. Don't believe the hype! The Giants are the better team and they have all the value at -4 at home.
                                                          How in the world is NY's secondary going to cover Chicago's receivers? The Giants may have the slowest LBs and DBs in the NFL.
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                                                          • artist
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                                                            • 09-30-09
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                                                            #30
                                                            In my football pool I pick all favorite but before I pick the gaint the line didn't came out I was thinking the same thing who would win? It took me two minutes to put my past pick in and it was the Giant!!!!

                                                            Stats won't tell you this but I believe the giants will be on fire for this game after losing 2 games and now they're going back home hahah and Chicago just won barely all by penalty haha I hope everyone put Chicago so I can go hard on giants! Mnf everyone went for greenbay over I went for Chicago under hahaha Vegas get the last laught
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                                                            • will2survive
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                                                              • 11-26-09
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                                                              #31
                                                              Giants win the game easy
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                                                              • POTVINSUX
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                                                                • 10-14-08
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                                                                #32
                                                                I'm taking the Bears plus the points here
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                                                                • artist
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                                                                  • 09-30-09
                                                                  • 673

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Now it open at -3 now -4 and Chicago got 84% money on the spread and 56% on the ml hahahah giants will take this hahah it's Chicago turn to get penalties hahaha Vegas babay haha nah but for real tho I think giants will put a strong performing this week and Chicago will do decent performance

                                                                  Payton manning is he really going to go 0-2

                                                                  Minnesota are they going to be 0-3

                                                                  Dallas are they going to be 0-3

                                                                  Giants are they really going to be on a 3 games losing streak?

                                                                  Is Chicago really going to be 4-0?

                                                                  We shall see come Sunday best suggestion is go with the book and make money or don't play at all

                                                                  Giants is the play fade the public
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                                                                  • big0mar
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                                                                    • 01-09-09
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by artist
                                                                    Now it open at -3 now -4 and Chicago got 84% money on the spread and 56% on the ml hahahah giants will take this hahah it's Chicago turn to get penalties hahaha Vegas babay haha nah but for real tho I think giants will put a strong performing this week and Chicago will do decent performance Payton manning is he really going to go 0-2 Minnesota are they going to be 0-3 Dallas are they going to be 0-3 Giants are they really going to be on a 3 games losing streak? Is Chicago really going to be 4-0? We shall see come Sunday best suggestion is go with the book and make money or don't play at all Giants is the play fade the public
                                                                    How do you think the Giants will defend the Bears???
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                                                                    • Robust
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                                                                      • 09-13-08
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by LT Profits
                                                                      For those of you that think the Bears have value, consider that if this game was played two weeks ago, the line would have been Giants -6.

                                                                      Instead, the Giants lose two non-conference games and everyone thinks the Bears are suddenly world beaters and this line gets skewed. Don't believe the hype!

                                                                      The Giants are the better team and they have all the value at -4 at home.
                                                                      I beleive the -4 needs to be brought down. The bears will play a close one. Giants have shown nothing through 3 weeks..

                                                                      I am with ya that the Giants are the better team and at home will demand respect... but -4 is too high for me and out of the teaser windows.. not sure if buying 1.5 pts makes any sense (doubt it)..

                                                                      will keep looking at the stats for a possible play on the side (obviously, lean giants).. also gotta see the total to figure out if there is a play..

                                                                      good luck LT!

                                                                      Robust
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