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  • AndyCapper
    SBR High Roller
    • 08-12-10
    • 113

    #841
    Tension, you missed an unbelievable day, BBiz went 4-0!!! Only 3 CFL games left
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    • AndyCapper
      SBR High Roller
      • 08-12-10
      • 113

      #842
      Tor +10 vs Mtl
      Sask +7 vs Calgary

      I'm liking TO and Calgary. Any Early leans BBiz?
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      • BetterBizness
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 05-20-06
        • 5737

        #843
        Well I'm seeing Calgary moving to 7.5 in places... I love the TD straight I think...

        I think I like Toronto here as well... I think the benefit of those 2 teams playing each other twice to close out the season helps... I may lean on that fact...
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        • eastvan09
          SBR MVP
          • 09-30-09
          • 1400

          #844
          Hey man,

          Just found this thread now. I'll definetely participate in a CFL thread next season. BC Lions season ticket holder
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          • BetterBizness
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 05-20-06
            • 5737

            #845
            Welcome to the Thread E.Van!

            Eskimo Season Ticket holder here!
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            • Skware
              SBR High Roller
              • 08-25-10
              • 117

              #846
              Originally posted by BetterBizness
              Well I'm seeing Calgary moving to 7.5 in places... I love the TD straight I think...

              I think I like Toronto here as well... I think the benefit of those 2 teams playing each other twice to close out the season helps... I may lean on that fact...
              Any O/U leans?
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              • raiders510
                SBR MVP
                • 11-05-10
                • 1038

                #847
                stamps season holder here...i like the argos this week to win straight up
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                • eastvan09
                  SBR MVP
                  • 09-30-09
                  • 1400

                  #848
                  Cool. I did not bet CFL this year. I have in past. I took a bath on the lons to cover at mtl for the eastern final last year.

                  Cal sask should be a decent game. I won't bet thoufgh.

                  Are you guys oilers and flames fans then?? I'm glad its hockey season now lol . Canucks seem unopposed in the northwest
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                  • Scully
                    SBR MVP
                    • 09-21-06
                    • 1276

                    #849
                    So Bizz are you leaning toward Calgary and Toronto then?
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                    • AndyCapper
                      SBR High Roller
                      • 08-12-10
                      • 113

                      #850
                      BBiz... Are you seeing a low scoring game in Montréal? Argos gonna be pounding with Boyd.
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                      • BetterBizness
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 05-20-06
                        • 5737

                        #851
                        I think alot is to be said for the snow in Calgary, and the minus 20 weather.. Keep checking the weather, but I've been chasing the Calgary Under for some time, and it's at least not out of the rhelm of possibility that if its a horrible snowy day, that 55 may be alot to ask for...
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                        • AndyCapper
                          SBR High Roller
                          • 08-12-10
                          • 113

                          #852
                          A high of -16C (3F) for Calgary tomorrow = Henry Brrrrrrrrrrrrr-is.
                          Lots of running = under = A Stampeders victory given their greater proficiency at running the football.
                          Whatcha' think BBiz??
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                          • BetterBizness
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 05-20-06
                            • 5737

                            #853
                            Let it snow Andy.. Let it Snow.. Calgary, but I think we're buying the half point... We should have got it at 7... now 7.5 makes it tougher... then again... I'll try and get the numbers out tonight for our big day tomorrow!
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                            • BetterBizness
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 05-20-06
                              • 5737

                              #854
                              Toronto @ Montreal -10 O/U 51

                              Toronto Seasonal Results (Most recent first)
                              Tor 16 @ Ham 13 U51
                              Tor 30 @ Mon 4 U51
                              Mon 37 @ Tor 30 O51
                              Tor 27 @ Win 8 U51
                              Ham 30 @ Tor 3 U51
                              Tor 24 @ Sask 19 U51
                              Sask 27 @ Tor 16 U51
                              Edm 24 @ Tor 6 U51
                              Win 13 @ Tor 17 U51
                              Tor 16 @ BC 37 O51
                              Tor 13 @ Ham 28 U51
                              Ham 16 @ Tor 12 U51
                              Mon 22 @ Tor 37 O51
                              Tor 29 @ Edm 28 O51
                              Tor 10 @ Mon 41 P51
                              BC 20 @ Tor 24 U51
                              Cal 24 @ Tor 27 P51
                              Tor 36 @ Win 34 O51
                              Tor 16 @ Cal 30 U51

                              Montreal Season Results (Most recent first)
                              Tor 30 @ Mon 4 U51
                              Mon 37 @ Tor 30 O51
                              Mon 3 @ Ham 40 U51
                              Win 19 @ Mon 22 U51
                              Cal 19 @ Mon 46 O51
                              Mon 21 @ Cal 46 O51
                              Mon 44 @ Win 40 O51
                              Edm 14 @ Mon 31 U51
                              Mon 27 @ Ham 6 U51
                              BC 38 @ Mon 17 O51
                              Win 17 @ Mon 38 O51
                              Mon 22 @ Tor 37 - O51
                              Sask 26 @ Mon 30 - O51
                              Tor 10 @ Mon 41 - P51
                              Ham 14 @ Mon 37 - P51
                              Mon 16 @ BC 12 - U51
                              Mon 33 @ Edm 23 - O51
                              Mon 51 @ Sask 54 - O51

                              Talking Totals... I see that the Argos have played their last 8 of 9 under... and even the Al's 3/4 says that this has ALOT of potential to stay low... of the one game that DID go over for the Argos though was 3 weeks ago AGAINST Montreal... I think if Toronto stays within their game plan they will sustain drives and keep the score close that will push the under.. But I"m not going to put alot of stock into it...

                              Now the game itself... The more I look at how many people think that Toronto may upset... The more I hate the fact that I continue to be in on that side too.... Obviously there are MANY reasons that Montreal will win by 30... But the instinct in me goes back to some old school psychology... which may or may not factor...

                              These teams ended the season playing Home and Home... Both essentially Meaningless games that Montreal won on the last play of the game, and Toronto backups beat a bunch of Montreal backups... In the Other game that mattered this year... Toronto in Week 7 upset Montreal in their FIRST taste of what it was like to think they weren't just good, but VERY good... QB Lemon threw for 3 TD's as Toronto opened up the game up 2 TD's.. Fought off a Montreal Comeback... and eventually won 37-22 ... Well ... incidentally, that game A. Calvillo was STILL 37 of 49 for 450 yards and 3 TD's... and they STILL lost...

                              Even in the game weeks prior, where the Als ran over the Argos 41-10... it was only a 17-10 Halftime game that eventually Montreal just pulled away in... What I"m saying is that out of 4 games this YEAR they've played against each other... Just 1 HALF of Football was Dominated by Montreal... and that was 3 months ago...

                              Add.. Montreals last 2 games were against Toronto where they barely won, and they lost outright... The linemakers are saying that NOW the REAL Allouettes are going to come out and play football over a "lucky to be there" Argo squad... I guess... It could happen... But with that said, the last FOUR games... Montreal was 2-2... Getting Blown out twice (allbeit last game with backups), the Hamilton Debacle... Barely Beating Winnipeg by 3 (Down the whole game)... The Beat Calgary soundly 5 weeks ago... but that came after getting blown out IN Calgary...

                              What I'm saying is Montreal isn't the 10 point favorite that a TEN point favorite SHOULD look like... they may/probably will win... But they are not PLAYING like winners like in years past... Last year.. When they WON the Grey cup.. Going into the Playoffs, they WON 8 of their last 9, with 7 of those BLOWOUTS... Then when BC came into their first playoff game... THEY got blown out... THAT was a 10 point Favorite style team... I never saw that this year out of the 90% of the CFL games I watched... Montreal has been beaten at home... They have been beaten when it matters.. When it doesn't matter... They are NOT the Al's of last year... Certainly not of the Al's of this Decade... THey are just a "Good" team... that's it... and they are facing a team that needs some help to become good... But if Week 7 is ANY indication... Toronto has ALL the possibilities in the world to win this game ...

                              Add Special Teams into the Mix... Argos get Key Special Teams Defensive player Crawford back after a couple of games, and Kick Returner Christian back after 9 games who ran one back in Week 7... Add Mon K Duval has Struggled, and Tor K Prefontaine is the best kicker in the league PERIOD... Toronto also has tonnes of speed that may be able to be utilized on a fast indoor surface... which is where the game is being played... INDOORS @ Montreals Olympic Stadium...

                              Thus.. I may get my azz handed to me, but nevertheless.... Big play time!!!

                              5 Units Toronto +10
                              1 Unit Toronto ML +425
                              1 Unit Under 51
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                              • BetterBizness
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 05-20-06
                                • 5737

                                #855
                                Saskatchewan @ Calgary -7.5 O/U 55

                                Seasonal Sask Results (most recent first)
                                BC 38 @ Sask 41 O55
                                Edm 23 @ Sask 31 U55
                                Sask 24 @ Edm 39 O55
                                Cal 36 @ Sask 24 O55
                                Tor 24 @ Sask 19 U55
                                Sask 27 @ Tor 16 U55
                                Sask 32 @ Ham 25 O55
                                Cal 37 @ Sask 43 O55
                                Sask 2 @ Win 31 U55
                                Win 23 @ Sask 27 U55
                                Sask 14 @ Edm 17 U55
                                BC 13 @ Sask 37 U55
                                Sask 26 @ Mon 30 O55
                                Ham 24 @ Sask 38 O55
                                Sask 20 @ Cal 40 O55
                                Edm 20 @ Sask 24 U55
                                Sask 38 @ BC 18 O55
                                Mon 51 @ Sask 54 O55

                                Cal Seasonal Results (Most Recent First)
                                Cal 35 @ Win 32 O55
                                Ham 24 @ Cal 55 O55
                                BC 36 @ Cal 31 O55
                                Cal 19 @ Mon 46 O55
                                Mon 21 @ Cal 46 O55
                                BC 29 @ Cal 10 U55
                                Cal 37 @ Sask 43 O55
                                Cal 36 @ Edm 20 O55
                                Edm 5 @ Cal 52 O55
                                Cal 48 @ BC 35 O55
                                Edm 15 @ Cal 56 O55
                                Calgary 27 @ BC 22 U55
                                Win 20 @ Cal 23 U55
                                Sask 20 @ Cal 40 O55
                                Cal 24 @ Tor 27 U55
                                Cal 23 @ Ham 22 U55
                                Tor 16 @ Cal 30 U55

                                We really have to question the 55 in this game... I mean.. ok it's cold... -15 (C)/ 4 Deg (F) ...

                                The gut is to pull back here as I mentioned in the lean and think.. Wow, no WAY they are score when it's cold... Except the fact that this isn't the NFL, where teams aren't accustomed to playing is these temps except in Green Bay... This is the CFL... and it has been cold in Calgary for at LEAST 6 days... honest.. didn't just happen... Same in Saskatchewan... so really, will cold play a factor... I'm starting to doubt it... I have to look at the 3 meetings this year... all WAY over... how about Calgary's last TEN of 11... OVER 55... Riders are 3 of their last 4 Over... They started out as an over team early in the season.. became an under team.. now back on the overs... Have to lean the Over right now... and we may get some help with that if the number pushes off 55 as it seems to be looking more and more like...

                                I think we also have to look more at the recent history then the past, as last year.. last year.. 3 of 5 were Unders... Does that say anything for THIS year?

                                As far as the Game itself... Calgary has only lost at home to ONE team this year... and that's the BC Lions... For whatever reason, THAT team I think would have had success in a possible upset... The Riders though, despite beating the hottest team going into the playoffs last week, and now stringing together 2 wins in a row.. Are ready for a letdown... They played a good game last week, particularly in the second half... in fact.. Both their last 2 wins have been Second half ignited at home... This week, on the road, I just can't see the same thing 3 games in a row...

                                I believe Calgary at this point are the team to beat for the Grey Cup and despite the 2 game losing streak with a month left, I think they pretty much have worked out the kinks to come ready to beat up someone... BAD... and get back into form... I believe that 7-7.5 is really a gift by the books... Not trying to get to cocky as we saw how many times the books got me for thinking too highly on a game.. But I see Calgary STOMPING this game by 20+ ...

                                I think they also have TWO ways to cover this spread as well.. either Early, going up 10 @ half and rolling... or being in a ball game and getting to the Riders Late ... I'm very much leaning that the Riders 2nd Half Energy will NOT be there this time around... basically, I look at the last SIX games the Riders have played.. and they have NOT played 1 complete game... and to beat the Stamps tomorrow, you WILL need a complete game... I just don't see it happening...

                                Thus

                                4 Units Calgary -7.5
                                1 Unit Over 55
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                                • raiders510
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 11-05-10
                                  • 1038

                                  #856
                                  love the plays...also love your analysis. I was waching the riders/lions overtime game and cheering for the riders. I did not want to see that BC team play us in the west final. They would have been coming in hot off a huge overtime win and winning something like 7 of their last 8 games. BC also knows how to beat us...or should I say Wally knows how to beat us....anyway the Riders win and its game time sunday..

                                  i will be at the game tomorrow...and its been about -18 celcius on average since monday....like 6 days now. its freezing cold outside. Stamps can score in any weather..the over is a good play i think; however i do not bet on my teams. Calgary has been training all week outside in the elements and from everything i am hearing from the players here, the stamps are ready to go.

                                  i called toronto to win last week and i think they do it again if it plays into their niche of a low-scoring, defensive duel. 22-20 toronto wins. I dont think I can stand to see the Alouettes again....im sick of tired of that team. Jim Barker would love nothing more than to come and play his old team for the grey cup. He will have his guys ready to battle
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                                  • BetterBizness
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 05-20-06
                                    • 5737

                                    #857
                                    I will update my post to SIX days in the cold, thanks Raiders... I can't help thinking that everyone and their dog is calling the Upset with Toronto... I even saw a National Post report on 3 reasons WHY Toronto can win.. FFS...

                                    You know that's not good when EVERYONE sees it... but ESPECIALLY the Media...
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                                    • BetterBizness
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 05-20-06
                                      • 5737

                                      #858
                                      Originally posted by raiders510
                                      i will be at the game tomorrow...and its been about -18 celcius on average since monday....like 6 days now. its freezing cold outside. Stamps can score in any weather..the over is a good play i think; however i do not bet on my teams. Calgary has been training all week outside in the elements and from everything i am hearing from the players here, the stamps are ready to go.
                                      Similarly to the Calvillo Bounce back a few weeks ago after the Hamilton Debacle... I DO NOT see Calgary down 21-0 off of stupid turnovers and big Bombs this game and then have to come back... but like you said.. Wally knows... but Wally is done now... Best think the Riders could have done for you...
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                                      • raiders510
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 11-05-10
                                        • 1038

                                        #859
                                        agreed
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                                        • Dharmonize
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 10-10-10
                                          • 1991

                                          #860
                                          Great write-up as always, BB, thanks! There is really not much to talk about or analyse, you said it all. As for myself, I believe that Saskatchewan as a dog has a bigger chance than Toronto. I also surprised myself by being able to imagine the most unlikely scenario - and that is the repetiton of the last year´s Grey Cup - to happen. I see no real chances for Toronto here, although I would love to see them win the game. Also have a feeling that both games will stay under. But this is just me, betting the CFL in accordance with feelings, not the facts. I will decide just before the gametime what to play. I have no idea about the spreads, although I like both Toronto at + 10 and Sask at + 7.5. Maybe the easiest thing would be to just take both dogs and hope one of them wins This is already not about the money anymore, it is so exciting just by itself, two great battles for the Big Final
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                                          • BetterBizness
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 05-20-06
                                            • 5737

                                            #861
                                            I agree Dharm... I have tix to the dance next week and despite my buddies who I sit with saying they may sell their tix cuz the Esks aren't in, I am thrilled to say that this year the CFL has had me watching to the level of when I was 14 (20 years ago)... I don't honestly care who's in (ok I do but)... I just really enjoy the game for what it is... I think the fact that this thread started out of the blue, and I felt sort of obligated to keep it alive at the beginning helped as well... Eventually we have almost 7,000 views, and distant interest from the US to Australia... THAT's really amazing in my opinion...
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                                            • BetterBizness
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 05-20-06
                                              • 5737

                                              #862
                                              All write ups are in... Just look up...
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                                              • AndyCapper
                                                SBR High Roller
                                                • 08-12-10
                                                • 113

                                                #863
                                                Originally posted by BetterBizness
                                                All write ups are in... Just look up...
                                                I did what ya told me but all I see is my ceiling???
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                                                • xraygord
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 09-18-09
                                                  • 2599

                                                  #864
                                                  Thanks for the write up BB.

                                                  Best of luck today!
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                                                  • BetterBizness
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 05-20-06
                                                    • 5737

                                                    #865
                                                    Toronto spread move UP to +10.5... If you like it this is a good time...
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                                                    • Dharmonize
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 10-10-10
                                                      • 1991

                                                      #866
                                                      Wow, you went big on the first game!! I will take it very lightly. 0.5 unit Toronto ML, 1 unit Toronto + 10 (already booked before the hook was added), 1 unit under. Best of luck!!
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                                                      • BetterBizness
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 05-20-06
                                                        • 5737

                                                        #867
                                                        I guess I maybe the sucker... but we'll find out if Toronto has anything left as Cinderella today... Hate these spots where a close game / blowout has a similar feel...
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                                                        • Dharmonize
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 10-10-10
                                                          • 1991

                                                          #868
                                                          As for the thread, you really got me with those numbers. It is very good for CFL! I´ve always felt a nice privacy here, with only a few regular posters. And now you come up with such a huge number of views . It is really your tremendous insight behind that success (if I might call it that). I believe that this thread could become the CFL "Mecca" here on SBR, if you wanted. You have that potential, I just don´t know if you have the need. But many people hungry for football watch the CFL as it starts earlier than the NFL preseason. Anyhow, I hope one way or another, this thread will be here next year too. As for the Grey Cup, you´re pretty lucky! Hope you´ll have a great time and enjoy it next week, whichever of these teams ends up there!!
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                                                          • Dharmonize
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 10-10-10
                                                            • 1991

                                                            #869
                                                            Originally posted by BetterBizness
                                                            I guess I maybe the sucker... but we'll find out if Toronto has anything left as Cinderella today... Hate these spots where a close game / blowout has a similar feel...
                                                            It would be rather surprising if this week went as smoothly as the last one, it is not so common in betting. But lets hope we end up in black today (and by black I don´t mean funeral clothing) !
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                                                            • AndyCapper
                                                              SBR High Roller
                                                              • 08-12-10
                                                              • 113

                                                              #870
                                                              Agree with Dharm...this is THEE CFL thread of SBR!
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                                                              • Scully
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 09-21-06
                                                                • 1276

                                                                #871
                                                                They said the visiting Argonauts avoided the inflatable tunnel and basically deflated the balloon before electing to come running out onto the Olympic Stadium field for today's game against the Montreal Alouettes in Montreal. Well the way this eastern conference final game has started out, they (Toronto) may want to rethink how they proceeded to embark onto the playing field as the Als have quickly jumped ahead 10-0. Two scores on their first two possessions have given the Als the quick lead and with the huge crowd on hand at the Big O, the Argos had better buckle down fast or this game may be out of reach by halftime.
                                                                They gotta pick it up fast B-Bizz if we're gonna cash that +10 point cushion wager.
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                                                                • raiders510
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 11-05-10
                                                                  • 1038

                                                                  #872
                                                                  starting to get away from jim barker early....hes gotta rally the troops here. Cleo Lemon is key right now...come on man!
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                                                                  • Scully
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 09-21-06
                                                                    • 1276

                                                                    #873
                                                                    f\*\*k this is getting sad and I'm beginning to wonder if this team is completely overrated, at least on offense. Maybe the Cats might have been the better opponent in this match today. It's bad enough that the Argo defense can't stop the Als on one bloody series but it's worse when their offense can't complete one single pass.
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                                                                    • AndyCapper
                                                                      SBR High Roller
                                                                      • 08-12-10
                                                                      • 113

                                                                      #874
                                                                      Looks like TO may have settled down with that drive for a FG. Now they gotta stop Cavillo NOW!
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                                                                      • Scully
                                                                        SBR MVP
                                                                        • 09-21-06
                                                                        • 1276

                                                                        #875
                                                                        Naw it wasn't so much a case as having to stop Calvillo as it was important for Toronto to get the offense running Andy. Coming into the final in the Big O you had to know Calvillo and the Als offense wasn't going to be stopped by the Argo defense. It's the Toronto offense that stinks and in my opinion was vastly overrated the entire season. I would say that Hamilton would beat Toronto eight times out of ten if they were to meet in the same atmosphere, same scenario as last week in Hamilton. In the end it's my own fault for touching base with the b.s. CFL today. I should have stayed away from the damm CFL thread and wagered soley on the NFL.
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