McNabb to Redskins

[icancount2one]

If you are so certain the Redskins will finish last then you will gladly do it my way if not take the highway in defeat like I know you eventually will

So, do you agree that there's a 50% chance the Birds are better than the Redskins?

Is your faith in your redskins so weak you think there's more than a 66% chance that they'll come in dead last?

That's not the way you've been posting.

[icancount2one]

PSIf you could read and comprehend you would have read that I was betting BigDaddyQH his life

Since you didn't specify, according to your rules, doesn't that automatically mean your life would be the other side of that bet?

[philswin]

Stats

If you can name a Qb. that ever done as well as Mcnabb for the Eagles you can then cry all you want, but you see I guarantee you you won't and if you do I'll come back here with Mcnabbs stats so fast it will make your head spin

PS Oh by the way Donovan said he was going to rip a new asshole into the Eagles this year not once but twice he said he at least owes you ungrateful bastards this much

You miss the point totally - McNabb as a dual threat runner and passer good/excellent QB one of the top 5 - 6 in the league - first 8-9 years

McNabb the pocket passer - average QB last couple years and not getting better.

[icancount2one]

You miss the point totally - McNabb as a dual threat runner and passer good/excellent QB one of the top 5 - 6 in the league - first 8-9 years

McNabb the pocket passer - average QB last couple years and not getting better.

I totally agree. Philly fans have been trying to run him out of town without much of a reason for years.

Now we're like the fans who cried wolf.

[PAULYPOKER]

You miss the point totally - McNabb as a dual threat runner and passer good/excellent QB one of the top 5 - 6 in the league - first 8-9 years McNabb the pocket passer - average QB last couple years and not getting better.

Eagles fans didn't appreciate Mcnabb ever cause I guess they think Good QB's grow on trees,I can't wait to see their reaction when Kolb don't meet their expectations

[PAULYPOKER]

I don't think even Payton manning ,Big Ben,Favre ETC. could meet Phily fans expectations

[stealthyburrito]

i dont understand why the eagles are so sold on kolb. played two impressive games against the saints (mediocre D) and the chiefs. Im sure mcnabb cant wait to stick it to philly twice this upcoming season.

[EaglesPhan36]

Philly fans wanted McNabb out because he never delivered on the big stage. 5 NFC Championship games and one win, how many fans of other teams would accept that without calling for change? Especially, when McNabb had some truly horrible performances. Buffalo Bills fans ... at least they choked in the Super Bowl. McNabb's lasting legacy is that of a choke artist on the big stage unfortunately - the puke episode in the Super Bowl when he could have led them to victory. Two pathetic performances in the NFC Championship back-2-back against Carolina and Tampa. Those are what stick out. I am a diehard Philly fan and I was a huge McNabb supporter, have his jersey, etc. But he had his run.

And as far as the people who don't believe Kolb can do it, you haven't seen the guy develop like the Philly brass has. They know what they have and want to take the chance, don't see why you'd even question letting him have a chance or admit you wasted a draft pick if you were never going to give him a chance ... Aaron Rodgers as many have said, same circumstances, but apparently some people can't read.

[whatsgood5]

Philly fans wanted McNabb out because he never delivered on the big stage. 5 NFC Championship games and one win, how many fans of other teams would accept that without calling for change?

Agreed, I'd give my left nut for one NFC Championship appearance for my Skins, let alone five of them. Although I can understand the frustration from getting there so much times and not winning the SB.

[philswin]

McNabb wanted (demanded) an extension. Eagles didnt want to give him a 15 million plus a year multi-year extension. Kolb and McNabb both in final year of contract. More teams were interested in trading for Kolb than McNabb. Eagles made a decision it may turn out to be a good one or may back fire. They drafted Kolb high in the draft and have been developing him. Green Bay had to make a decision with Favre/Rogers they didnt want Favre back. SD had to make a decision on LT or Turner. They let Turner walk. EAgles tend to favor younger players and let vets walk - examples Trotter, Dawkins, Vincent, Douglas, Taylor, Staley, Westbrook. Sometime it works sometimes it does not.

[philswin]

How did this work out????????

Dateline: WASHINGTON Jeremiah Trotter got his wish. He'll get to face his former team twice a year.

The two-time Pro Bowl linebacker agreed to a seven-year, $36 million contract with the Washington Redskins on Friday, leaving him in the NFC East to cause headaches for his former teammates in Philadelphia.
Trotter, who will receive a $7 million signing bonus, completes an impressive linebacking corps for new defensive coordinator Marvin Lewis. LaVar Arrington, recent free agent signing Jessie Armstead and Trotter all went to the Pro Bowl last season. "(It's) like getting a first-round draft pick without giving up anything, " coach Steve Spurrier

[EaglesPhan36]

What was sad is that Philly had Trotter on the roster last year because the LB corps was so F-ed with injuries and inept players like Gocong. Trotter shouldn't even be in the league let alone start a damn game. I'll say this too, if Philly does not do well next year it will probably be more an indictment of the defense than the offense. That offense is going to score, but the defense has many holes - Stewart Bradley healthy will help a bunch, but they need DB help that hopefully that get via some draft day deals or something.

[PAULYPOKER]

How did this work out???????? Dateline: WASHINGTON Jeremiah Trotter got his wish. He'll get to face his former team twice a year. The two-time Pro Bowl linebacker agreed to a seven-year, $36 million contract with the Washington Redskins on Friday, leaving him in the NFC East to cause headaches for his former teammates in Philadelphia. Trotter, who will receive a $7 million signing bonus, completes an impressive linebacking corps for new defensive coordinator Marvin Lewis. LaVar Arrington, recent free agent signing Jessie Armstead and Trotter all went to the Pro Bowl last season. "(It's) like getting a first-round draft pick without giving up anything, " coach Steve Spurrier

That's like comparing aluminum to gold Spurrier sucked more than any NFL coach in history. Trotter's position was of less importance while Shannahan is better than Reid by a mile, 2 Superbowls I'll add and the QB position is the most important bar none. Wow what a comparison

[whatsgood5]

That's like comparing aluminum to gold Spurrier sucked more than any NFL coach in history. Trotter's position was of less importance while Shannahan is better than Reid by a mile, 2 Superbowls I'll add and the QB position is the most important bar none. Wow what a comparison

Agreed. I might as well bring up that they traded Sonny Jurgensen to us for some fukkers that I'd never heard of before. How'd that trade work out for the Seagles?

[philswin]

The point is that almost every high profile guy that gets traded or released says they will stick it to their old team, really means nothing at all.

[PAULYPOKER]

Agreed. I might as well bring up that they traded Sonny Jurgensen to us for some fukkers that I'd never heard of before. How'd that trade work out for the Seagles?

I thought maybe Gibbs had it in him one more time but sadly his time and style passed him by,for Redskins sake I hope this is not true for Shannahan but from what I can see I can not critique one move he made yet which is a very good sign

[philswin]

As noted teams were making more offers for Kolb. Only 3 teams interested in McNabb - Redskins, RAiders, Bills ouch

[PAULYPOKER]

As long as Shannahan has the balls to tell Skins owner to go fukk him self and sit down and shut up he will be all right IMO

[philswin]

Shanahan was a good move. I lived in DC during the Gibbs era he was a class act. Problem with the current Skins in Danny Snyder. He over pays for older players on the decline.

[whatsgood5]

The point is that almost every high profile guy that gets traded or released says they will stick it to their old team, really means nothing at all.

When did Mcnabb say anything about wanting to stick it to the Eagles? He downplayed the whole thing today...

I thought maybe Gibbs had it in him one more time but sadly his time and style passed him by,for Redskins sake I hope this is not true for Shannahan but from what I can see I can not critique one move he made yet which is a very good sign

Me too, I was about two years old when Gibbs retired for the first time, so I never lived through the glory years, but my dad practically idolized the guy, so I was expecting big things to happen with him. But the way I see it, it's not so much that Shanahan hasn't made a "good" signing, it's that he hasn't made a "bad" signing. I'm pleased with going after under-the-radar guys for decent prices like Phillip Buchannon and Artis Hicks, instead of having Danny splurge like always.

[whatsgood5]

Shanahan was a good move. I lived in DC during the Gibbs era he was a class act. Problem with the current Skins in Danny Snyder. He over pays for older players on the decline.

Agree 100% with all three things. The game had passed Gibbs by in his second tenure, but he was definitely a class act, and Zorn was too, only difference is Zorn was never a good coach.

[philswin]

I do not think it was totally the game passing him by, maybe a little- you dont just turn stupid. Danny Snyder was and is the problem

[whatsgood5]

I do not think it was totally the game passing him by, maybe a little- you dont just turn stupid. Danny Snyder was and is the problem

A combination of Snyder and his buddy Cerrato were the problem. Too early to tell if Snyder is still a problem, but this is definitely not the kind of off-season I'm used to.

[philswin]

What was sad is that Philly had Trotter on the roster last year because the LB corps was so F-ed with injuries and inept players like Gocong. Trotter shouldn't even be in the league let alone start a damn game. I'll say this too, if Philly does not do well next year it will probably be more an indictment of the defense than the offense. That offense is going to score, but the defense has many holes - Stewart Bradley healthy will help a bunch, but they need DB help that hopefully that get via some draft day deals or something.

Agreed I do not think they will get the D straightened out this year to many holes. But they are loaded with picks this year and will have tons of cash into next year free agency (if labor deal) all the players that could have been unrestricted free agents this year, all the players who cannot sign extensions because of the uncapped year, and the new crop of free agents, will make next years class the strongest ever. I would say 9-7 this year second in division complete for Wildcard. Look for better in 2011. Good young skill players on offense

[icancount2one]

Ok Pauly, I think all the offers I made were reasonable. Especially the way you're bad-mouthing Philly

If you'll only give me a small edge, I'll take it.

Redskins will finish 4th in the NFC East

1000 SBR pts to be paid at end of season, minus transfer fees.

Book it.

[PAULYPOKER]

Your edge is your belief and my edge is my belief

+100 or even odds take it or leave it final offer

[icancount2one]

Your edge is your belief and my edge is my belief

+100 or even odds take it or leave it final offer

I was trying to say that I accept your wager at even odds, +100, straight up, whatever you want to call it. Book it.

I think I've only got a small edge, but I'm ready to throw down. My only concern is the health of Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs.

[PAULYPOKER]

Giants and Eagles are the target of my vision

[icancount2one]

Giants and Eagles are the target of my vision

The more you talk the crazier you sound.

We're on, right?

[Facepunch]

Shocked. McNabb may be a decent QB, but if the offensive line can't protect him, his career will be over sooner than later.

As a skins fan this was my very first thought.

Only thing I can think of is maybe they are getting some solid O line guys in the draft.

Who knows.

Pros

-he is better than Campbell
-he has had success in the past
-he has intimate knowledge of a division rival
-playoff experience
-veteran of the game (help reign in some of these younger guys that aren't focused)

Cons
-Injury prone (especially with the O line in its state)
-choke artist
-dumb as a box of rocks (overtime statement)

[The General]

I think the move is good for football. It should add more parity in the NFC at least.

I'm glad this transpired.

[Bankroll$10]

as a skins fan i am happy with the trade because now we can get an offensive lineman instead of a QB

[malay76]

Very suprised the Eagles traded McNabb to NFC East foe.

[EaglesPhan36]

Agreed I do not think they will get the D straightened out this year to many holes. But they are loaded with picks this year and will have tons of cash into next year free agency (if labor deal) all the players that could have been unrestricted free agents this year, all the players who cannot sign extensions because of the uncapped year, and the new crop of free agents, will make next years class the strongest ever. I would say 9-7 this year second in division complete for Wildcard. Look for better in 2011. Good young skill players on offense

I'd love to see them trade up and get one of the top 4 LBs in the draft. Kindle & Witherspoon come to mind, but I doubt they will. They always draft LBs in the middle rounds, which might be why their LB corps stinks - although Stew Bradley was a good pick. I fear they go the boring route and take O-line or D-line again ... or trade out of the 1st round altogether.

[icancount2one]

I'd love to see them trade up and get one of the top 4 LBs in the draft. Kindle & Witherspoon come to mind, but I doubt they will. They always draft LBs in the middle rounds, which might be why their LB corps stinks - although Stew Bradley was a good pick. I fear they go the boring route and take O-line or D-line again ... or trade out of the 1st round altogether.

I was under the impression that the Eagles were after safety Taylor Mays. If he goes too early though, Andy Reid is famous for trading down.

I think with Stewart Bradley back we could do a lot worse than Gaither and Jordan at OLB. Also the pass rush will be better than it was last year with the addition of Darryl Tapp. The only problem with the front seven is depth.

There are a lot of "if's" with the secondary however. IF Marlin Jackson and/or Ellis Hobbs are actually 100% recovered from their injuries, IF Macho Harris progresses well, IF we get Taylor Mays and he can make an immediate impact, etc. If we get a "yes" on two or three of those "ifs" the Eagles should definitely be a high top 10 D.