John Morrison 2011-12 NBA Thread

**GGPLAYER** · 02-02-12, 06:16 PM

Don't chase if your not prepared to lose.

**1gamer** · 02-02-12, 07:35 PM

Why couldn't someone just parlay the two system to minimize losses and to leverage their BR? For example, tonites

JM V2 (A) Memphis +4.5
Chase (A) Hornets +9

If you lost, you could carry the loss + Profit over to the next parlay (Or individual B Bet), until you win, or until you reach the final (D) bet, at which time, you would just make your 1 single Chase wager (On either JM or Chase -110 Systems) to win Profit + Losses, for example.

**jcygts6** · 02-02-12, 08:25 PM

Thats a good ideal. I should try the parlay method

**1gamer** · 02-02-12, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by jcygts6

Thats a good ideal. I should try the parlay method

If there are multiple plays in each system at the start of every series, you can start out by parlaying all (A) plays, or just choose two (2) of the very best teams to play with the best schedules. There have been plenty of nights this NBA season, where JM and -110 have had undefeated nights.

**J.M. Disciple** · 02-03-12, 12:14 AM

Don't get ahead of your self guys. There are plenty of nights where JM goes 1-1 so i def do not recommend parlaying anything together. You are greatly reducing the odds of covering. Sure he has been on a good run with A bets recently, but most of the time it is not like that which will end up costing you a lot of money and you will be left wondering, "What do I do now?" What are you going t to do after 5 straight nights of going 1-1?

Just stick to the system how people on this forum have back tested and be patient with good bankroll management. If you stop trying to get rich quick off sports betting it will be a lot easier for you.

**1gamer** · 02-03-12, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by J.M. Disciple

Don't get ahead of your self guys. There are plenty of nights where JM goes 1-1 so i def do not recommend parlaying anything together. You are greatly reducing the odds of covering. Sure he has been on a good run with A bets recently, but most of the time it is not like that which will end up costing you a lot of money and you will be left wondering, "What do I do now?" What are you going t to do after 5 straight nights of going 1-1? Just stick to the system how people on this forum have back tested and be patient with good bankroll management. If you stop trying to get rich quick off sports betting it will be a lot easier for you.

It would never get to that point of playing 5 straight losing parlays. You could only parlay two (2) teams up to the (A) and (B) bets of a series. After that final parlay (B) loss, you would simply place the Profit + Losses bet on the the individual team, on the individual (C) bet.

If that (C) bet loses, your losses would be alot less than taking -200 Odds (5Dimes buying points) for three (3) straight losing bets.

To your point though, I'm looking for a reason why this system would fail, but I'm just not finding it.

**Nino7** · 02-03-12, 05:26 AM

Originally posted by 1gamer

It would never get to that point of playing 5 straight losing parlays. You could only parlay two (2) teams up to the (A) and (B) bets of a series. After that final parlay (B) loss, you would simply place the Profit + Losses bet on the the individual team, on the individual (C) bet.

If that (C) bet loses, your losses would be alot less than taking -200 Odds (5Dimes buying points) for three (3) straight losing bets.

To your point though, I'm looking for a reason why this system would fail, but I'm just not finding it.

what if it goes A (win) A (loss) ,then A (loss) B (win) ,then B (win) A (loss)?

**Wallco99** · 02-03-12, 06:01 AM

Wallco NBA Chase 110
2011-12 System to date: 28-1 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: +9.55 units (fin. series)
Current open series: 1 (-1.10 units)

(2/2/12):
#29 New Orleans (+9) (A) - Loss

v1 Plays
(A) 21-9
(B) 3-5
(C) 2-3
(D) 2-1

V2 Plays
In production

There are no system plays for (2/3/12):
#29 Resumes (B) on 2/4/12

We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a zero point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day, if the lines change, but it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from my post. On occasion, we will have plays that go head-head. The system will grade ALL bets, regardless of opponents, how you wish to play these games is your choice.

**1gamer** · 02-03-12, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by Nino7

what if it goes A (win) A (loss) ,then A (loss) B (win) ,then B (win) A (loss)?

You couldn't take the parlay to the (C) bet (B) win (A) loss senerio. You would have to stop parlaying at the (B) bet loss. For Example:
My Parlay last night was:

JM V2 (A) Memphis +7.5 WIN
-110 (A) Hornets +9 LOSS

Parlay 1 (A) LOST Bet 1 unit to win 2

I will place my individual Profit + Loss bet on the Hornets (B) bet against the Pistons Febuary 4th. Between JM V1, V2, V3, and Chase -110, there will always be a (C) & (D) bet to "bail" you out of any parlay after the (B) loss.

**thelimit0310** · 02-03-12, 10:57 AM

JM Feb 2

V2 MEMPHIS +7 @ Atlanta (A) WIN

RESULTS PER VERSION

Version 1
A: 8-5
B: 2-2
C: 2-0

Version 2
A: 2-2
B: 2-0
C: 0-0

Version 3
A: 16-9
B: 6-3
C: 2-1
DET 1/28-1/31

Totals
A: 25-16
B: 10-4
C: 4-1

JM Feb 3

V3 LA LAKERS +7 @ Denver (A)

All official plays are posted with 3 points bought. ML will not be taken on favorites greater than -3.

**Sandwich** · 02-03-12, 03:30 PM

Limit, are you currently playing the Charlotte series at 7/5. I'm debating whether I want to pull the trigger with the C bet tomorrow. BOL

**J.M. Disciple** · 02-03-12, 04:38 PM

i would like to see a back season test on the parlay system you are starting to apply. I'm pretty sure it will not work as well as you think it will. I am sure someone has an excel file of last years bets to see how you would do.

Also the way you are doing it will be downgrading from 1-3-5 or the pending back test of other ways playing the system. As many have said in this forum, do not play a system until it is back tested. I wish you luck on it, but im pretty sure it will not be as profitable as 180+ unit season.

Thanks
JMD

**BSUWADDY** · 02-03-12, 07:58 PM

Since there are no Chase -110 plays tonight, I was wondering if anyone had run an opposite Wallco system: play against any team that has won 3 in a row SU and ATS? I see MIL has won 3 in a row SU and actually 5 in a row ATS. Just made me think.

I figured if anyone would know, it would be the people in this thread. Thanks and enjoy the night off (those not playing the JM system).

**NZT-48** · 02-03-12, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by Sandwich

Limit, are you currently playing the Charlotte series at 7/5. I'm debating whether I want to pull the trigger with the C bet tomorrow. BOL

hey folks havent been on here in forever its been so long it seems I got pts taken away from me lol whatever......

but isnt there a rule in the v1.0 system that says u are not to play the worst road record in the conference? as a system bet?...just wondering about that any help would be appreciate thanks

**thelimit0310** · 02-03-12, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by Sandwich

Limit, are you currently playing the Charlotte series at 7/5. I'm debating whether I want to pull the trigger with the C bet tomorrow. BOL

No, I'm not playing 7/5 until the backtest is finished. You shouldn't either!

**Swan4brownlow** · 02-03-12, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by BSUWADDY

Since there are no Chase -110 plays tonight, I was wondering if anyone had run an opposite Wallco system: play against any team that has won 3 in a row SU and ATS? I see MIL has won 3 in a row SU and actually 5 in a row ATS. Just made me think.

I figured if anyone would know, it would be the people in this thread. Thanks and enjoy the night off (those not playing the JM system).

I might be wrong but I think I remember Wallco saying that he might be looking into something along those lines for his V2 plays? He can confirm whether this is right or not

**Wallco99** · 02-04-12, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by Swan4brownlow

I might be wrong but I think I remember Wallco saying that he might be looking into something along those lines for his V2 plays? He can confirm whether this is right or not

That is correct, however, not yet complete.

**1gamer** · 02-04-12, 01:18 AM

Carried the (A) parlay JM/Chase loss over to (B) single JM Modified V3 Lakers -4.5
5 to win 4 CASH IT!

**Wallco99** · 02-04-12, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by 1gamer

Carried the (A) parlay JM/Chase loss over to (B) single JM Modified V3 Lakers -4.5
5 to win 4 CASH IT!

So you are betting 4 units on a B bet this way instead of the normal 2.10, meaning, if this four game stretch would have lost for you, it would have been quite expensive, and you bet on a completely different series than either two that were in your parlay yesterday. This isn't a system, this is gambling!

**Wallco99** · 02-04-12, 03:01 AM

Wallco NBA Chase 110
2011-12 System to date: 28-1 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: +9.55 units (fin. series)
Current open series: 1 (-1.10 units)

v1 Plays
(A) 21-9
(B) 3-5
(C) 2-3
(D) 2-1

V2 Plays
In production

Games for (2/4/12):
#30 New Orleans (**) @ Detroit (B) (7:35 pm EST)
#31 Charlotte (+10) @ Phoenix (A) (9:05 pm EST)

** Denotes line not available at time of post

We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a zero point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day, if the lines change, but it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from my post. On occasion, we will have plays that go head-head. The system will grade ALL bets, regardless of opponents, how you wish to play these games is your choice.

**Wallco99** · 02-04-12, 03:39 AM

There was an error in yesterday's post. It should have read: #30 Resumes (B) on 2/4/12, not #29, that was Detroit and we won that series. Please note the change.

**COBRA31** · 02-04-12, 04:05 AM

Originally posted by Wallco99

Wallco NBA Chase 110
2011-12 System to date: 28-1 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: +9.55 units (fin. series)
Current open series: 1 (-1.10 units)

v1 Plays
(A) 21-9
(B) 3-5
(C) 2-3
(D) 2-1

V2 Plays
In production

Games for (2/4/12):
#30 New Orleans (**) @ Detroit (B) (7:35 pm EST)
#31 Charlotte (+10) @ Phoenix (A) (9:05 pm EST)

** Denotes line not available at time of post

We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a zero point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day, if the lines change, but it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from my post. On occasion, we will have plays that go head-head. The system will grade ALL bets, regardless of opponents, how you wish to play these games is your choice.

I thought Nuggets were an A bet on Feb. 4th as well ? Perhaps my sheet is off.

**cmdyrds** · 02-04-12, 04:05 AM

this bobcat team is terrible. wallco with this being the start of another bobcat series are you carrying money over or just starting it as a new series?

**cmdyrds** · 02-04-12, 04:06 AM

denver beat the clippers on 2/2.

**COBRA31** · 02-04-12, 04:10 AM

Originally posted by COBRA31

I thought Nuggets were an A bet on Feb. 4th as well ? Perhaps my sheet is off.

Damn...my bad. I see now...they beat the Clippers...I missed it.

Lost 3 of last 4.

**knugen** · 02-04-12, 05:14 AM

ooohhh bobcats again ... if they lose 4 more ATS it means they gonna lose 12(!!!!!!!!!) games ATS, that cant happen

**shipsn2010** · 02-04-12, 07:34 AM

char

This is the betting world, and anything can happen..

**casdio** · 02-04-12, 08:00 AM

Oh no, another bet on bobcats :facepalm:

**Aiwiz** · 02-04-12, 08:16 AM

anyone on JM bobcats(C) tonight?

**bauerranch** · 02-04-12, 08:48 AM

For the JM play I am taking Phoenix and buying three points and trying to recover my A and B bet back. I know its backwards however even with buying 3 points, I dont see Charlotte doing anything and if I am wrong- it won't be the first time

. If Charlotte loses after buying 3 points JM will come out and say there was a problem with his computer and he didnt catch the filter. Anything to keep his record clean looking for newbies
Good Luck to All!

**Maxi_EV** · 02-04-12, 08:49 AM

I'm skipping the new series on bobcats. Sick risk/reward...

**Maxi_EV** · 02-04-12, 08:53 AM

JM players:

YOU SHOULD PLACE YOUR BET ON CHAR NOW.
The line will probably drop to +9 soon.

**Kev the Brit** · 02-04-12, 08:56 AM

JM B - C Bets v Regular A - C Bets:
Buy 3 points (odds -182 or 1.55). No ML bets

Series total risk:
A-C, to win 1 unit: 21.45
B-C to win 3 units: 20.86

42 JM series completed so far, to Feb 4.
results:
41-1 (although the lost series was probably not an official JM series. For the purposes of this comparison it doesn't really matter)
See posts from thelimit0310 (good work, buddy) for details.

A-C Bets = 41 wins x 1 unit minus 1 loss @ 21.45 units = 19.55 units profit.

A Bet failures: 17 occasions (59.5% success rate).

B-C Bets = 16 wins x 3 units minus 1 loss @ 20.86 units = 27.14 units profit.

B Bet failures: 4 occasions (76% success rate)
C Bet failures: 1 occasion (75% success rate)

We are approx one third of the way through the regular season. The B&C bettors have 7 units of additional profit to soften the blow after the recent series failure.

Current stats continue to support historical data that time and money is wasted by betting from the A Bet.

More stats next Saturday.
Good luck to all, whatever your strategy
Kev

**knugen** · 02-04-12, 09:22 AM

Its alot of action in JM system tonight A bets on Clippers, Dallas, Houston, Oklahoma and C bet on bobcats

**Wilba** · 02-04-12, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by bauerranch

For the JM play I am taking Phoenix and buying three points and trying to recover my A and B bet back. I know its backwards however even with buying 3 points, I dont see Charlotte doing anything and if I am wrong- it won't be the first time

. If Charlotte loses after buying 3 points JM will come out and say there was a problem with his computer and he didnt catch the filter. Anything to keep his record clean looking for newbies
Good Luck to All!

lol really? This may well cover but you do realise that you are skipping out (worse even, reversing) the most powerful bet in the whole series!? If you were going to reverse a bet why not do the A bets, at least you would break even!

The C bet has a much higher chance of cover than the A or B, bizarre in my eyes to reverse it. Discipline is so important when following systems..