fishboy

[kobefanatic]

Derek Fisher hasn't spoken publicly since signing a three-season, $10.5 million contract to return to the Lakers earlier this month, but he talked with several reporters for a few minutes during a break this morning at his youth basketball camp in Hawthorne. Here's some of what he had to say about returning to the Lakers: "I definitely feel like I made the right decision (to re-sign). Kobe (Bryant) and I worked extremely hard to be in the position we're in, in our careers. He's obviously much more accomplished in his career, but we have a bond I didn't want to break. ... I'm excited about these next three years. I'm excited about what I can accomplish off the court in the next three years, too." Los Angeles Daily News

gotta give due respect to fish boy's loyalty to kobe, lebron tried to recruit this guy and FAILED

[breathmints]

lol can u imagine lebron and derek fisher together.. probably be clutch..

[kobefanatic]

lol can u imagine lebron and derek fisher together.. probably be clutch..

[Bradyd]

Derek Fisher hasn't spoken publicly since signing a three-season, $10.5 million contract to return to the Lakers earlier this month, but he talked with several reporters for a few minutes during a break this morning at his youth basketball camp in Hawthorne. Here's some of what he had to say about returning to the Lakers: "I definitely feel like I made the right decision (to re-sign). Kobe (Bryant) and I worked extremely hard to be in the position we're in, in our careers. He's obviously much more accomplished in his career, but we have a bond I didn't want to break. ... I'm excited about these next three years. I'm excited about what I can accomplish off the court in the next three years, too." Los Angeles Daily News

gotta give due respect to fish boy's loyalty to kobe, lebron tried to recruit this guy and FAILED

The Lakers gave him a better offer. Why would he leave? I'm sure Lebron would have rather fail to get Fisher (to another championship team) as oppose to failing to get Raja Bell. If we are going to make fun of people for failing to get somebody, let's include everybody in there...

Lebron for failing to get fisher
Kobe for failing to get Raja Bell

[kobefanatic]

The Lakers gave him a better offer. Why would he leave? I'm sure Lebron would have rather fail to get Fisher (to another championship team) as oppose to failing to get Raja Bell. If we are going to make fun of people for failing to get somebody, let's include everybody in there...

Lebron for failing to get fisher
Kobe for failing to get Raja Bell

kobe got matt barnes to replace bell who is a lot better than bell

[kobefanatic]

forgot to include ron artest turned down the cavs last year, same as trevor ariza

[Bradyd]

kobe got matt barnes to replace bell who is a lot better than bell

It doesn't matter, he still got turned down.. And Matt Barnes is not better than bell. Once again, you are blinded by the purple and gold.

BTW, good luck with that Barnes is better than bell argument...

[kobefanatic]

It doesn't matter, he still got turned down.. And Matt Barnes is not better than bell. Once again, you are blinded by the purple and gold.

BTW, good luck with that Barnes is better than bell argument...

lebron got turned down 3 times , how is the negotiation with jawad williams going? and you are blinded by lebron riding with WADE , ron artest and trevor ariza turned him down last year
maybe not better by a lot but still of the same level

[Bradyd]

Dude, I don't care about Lebron. So pick all day long about Lebron, it doesn't bother me. I just have a problem with you bashing him or anybody else for the same thing that Kobe did or the same thing that has happen to Kobe. Don't be a hypocrite!!

And no, Barnes is NOT on the same level as Raja Bell. Raja Bell is BETTER than Barnes.

[MrSink]

ha ha

[Goat Milk]

lol can u imagine lebron and derek fisher together.. probably be clutch..

bro shut up Fisher is already with the clutchest player in the league. Go back and play with your toys little boy.

[kobefanatic]

Dude, I don't care about Lebron. So pick all day long about Lebron, it doesn't bother me. I just have a problem with you bashing him or anybody else for the same thing that Kobe did or the same thing that has happen to Kobe. Don't be a hypocrite!!

And no, Barnes is NOT on the same level as Raja Bell. Raja Bell is BETTER than Barnes.

did kobe did the same thing as him? , did he treat himself like lebron did? needed a 1 hr interview for his "decision" has kobe done something like that? did kobe ever needed to jump ship to hop on another superstars d!ck, kobe did demand a trade back then but look at his preferred team he wanted to go another team where there is solid role players and him being the clear cut number 1 guy unlike the queen who jump ship to miami with wade and him being arguable who's number 1

if it was raja bell of a few years ago the i would agree with you but not the raja bell of the past year

[tealish]

lol can u imagine lebron and derek fisher together.. probably be clutch..

If Fisher and LeBron were on the same team, and there were no other stars (read: no Wade)... I'll bet that Fisher gets the last shot almost as often as LeBron

[Bradyd]

did kobe did the same thing as him? , did he treat himself like lebron did? needed a 1 hr interview for his "decision" has kobe done something like that? did kobe ever needed to jump ship to hop on another superstars d!ck, kobe did demand a trade back then but look at his preferred team he wanted to go another team where there is solid role players and him being the clear cut number 1 guy unlike the queen who jump ship to miami with wade and him being arguable who's number 1

if it was raja bell of a few years ago the i would agree with you but not the raja bell of the past year

Nope, Kobe didn't do an hour. He just did 30 minutes. I believe he sat down with the same person as Lebron did...at his house. Kobe told the whole world he wanted to be traded. He also wanted certain players OFF his team and he wanted a certain person back with the management part of the Lakers. But somehow that's not as bad as Lebron?? You're right, it's worst. Much worst. I could only imagine what people would have said if Lebron did what Kobe did then.
And Kobe wanted to go to a ready made team. A team that would have been championship ready WITH him. Nothing wrong with that. Lebron wanted to go ready made team that would be champsionship contenders WITH him. He did. Wade and Bosh was not enough to be championship contenders. Add Lebron to that and you got one. And I don't see how you can bash a player just because he wants to play with other stars....He is the best person on the team. Hell, in the league.. How does that deserve a bashing? What sense does that make? Kobe never won a championship without another superstar on board. He, like most had a dominant big man each time. In the last 20 years, I only know of 2 teams that won a championship without a 2 superstars. Rockets in the 90's, Pistons in 2004.
So bashing a guy because he wants to play with a super star is insanity. Bashing a guy because he isn't the only option is insanity. Bashing a guy because he took less money to go to a team and win a championship is insanity. There is plenty to bash Lebron on, but most of what you listed isn't. Especially if you aren't going to bash other players for doing the same thing....And in some cases, worst.

[icsky3]

I'm kind of glad he stayed...Fuk Lebron..who else does this guy need to win a ship?? I know it can't be just him, but they can't have a fuking all-star team and get the same gratitude out of winning a trophy...Could they ?

[lakerboy]

Nope, Kobe didn't do an hour. He just did 30 minutes. I believe he sat down with the same person as Lebron did...at his house. Kobe told the whole world he wanted to be traded. He also wanted certain players OFF his team and he wanted a certain person back with the management part of the Lakers. But somehow that's not as bad as Lebron?? You're right, it's worst. Much worst. I could only imagine what people would have said if Lebron did what Kobe did then.
And Kobe wanted to go to a ready made team. A team that would have been championship ready WITH him. Nothing wrong with that. Lebron wanted to go ready made team that would be champsionship contenders WITH him. He did. Wade and Bosh was not enough to be championship contenders. Add Lebron to that and you got one. And I don't see how you can bash a player just because he wants to play with other stars....He is the best person on the team. Hell, in the league.. How does that deserve a bashing? What sense does that make? Kobe never won a championship without another superstar on board. He, like most had a dominant big man each time. In the last 20 years, I only know of 2 teams that won a championship without a 2 superstars. Rockets in the 90's, Pistons in 2004.
So bashing a guy because he wants to play with a super star is insanity. Bashing a guy because he isn't the only option is insanity. Bashing a guy because he took less money to go to a team and win a championship is insanity. There is plenty to bash Lebron on, but most of what you listed isn't. Especially if you aren't going to bash other players for doing the same thing....And in some cases, worst.

well the second year they had clyde drexler as well.

[kobefanatic]

Nope, Kobe didn't do an hour. He just did 30 minutes. I believe he sat down with the same person as Lebron did...at his house. Kobe told the whole world he wanted to be traded. He also wanted certain players OFF his team and he wanted a certain person back with the management part of the Lakers. But somehow that's not as bad as Lebron?? You're right, it's worst. Much worst. I could only imagine what people would have said if Lebron did what Kobe did then.
And Kobe wanted to go to a ready made team. A team that would have been championship ready WITH him. Nothing wrong with that. Lebron wanted to go ready made team that would be champsionship contenders WITH him. He did. Wade and Bosh was not enough to be championship contenders. Add Lebron to that and you got one. And I don't see how you can bash a player just because he wants to play with other stars....He is the best person on the team. Hell, in the league.. How does that deserve a bashing? What sense does that make? Kobe never won a championship without another superstar on board. He, like most had a dominant big man each time. In the last 20 years, I only know of 2 teams that won a championship without a 2 superstars. Rockets in the 90's, Pistons in 2004.
So bashing a guy because he wants to play with a super star is insanity. Bashing a guy because he isn't the only option is insanity. Bashing a guy because he took less money to go to a team and win a championship is insanity. There is plenty to bash Lebron on, but most of what you listed isn't. Especially if you aren't going to bash other players for doing the same thing....And in some cases, worst.

was it televised? , yeah he wanted to be traded to a team a ready made but does he want it to be filled with another superstar? or let's say another top tier guy? kobe wants to be traded but to a team with solid role player or another 2nd tier star how can you call that worst?

he is the best on miami now? i don't think so, both he and wade could be arguable, gasol is great to be a 2nd fiddle but he can't be a number 1 guy, cavaliers of both 08-10 is not that bad just another piece away, how can they have the best regular season record for 2 consecutive years if that team is not championship capable?

[kobefanatic]

i just hope that lebron fans won't have anymore excuses if he doesn't win it this year, and won't blame his teammates again, he is with wade and bosh now, plus a solid roster with mike miller, haslem,chalmers, big z, juwan howard,

[tealish]

i just hope that lebron fans won't have anymore excuses if he doesn't win it this year, and won't blame his teammates again, he is with wade and bosh now, plus a solid roster with mike miller, haslem,chalmers, big z, juwan howard,

its difficult to lose with the roster they have. very difficult. but as a fan, i'm wishfully thinking they find a way.

[kobefanatic]

its difficult to lose with the roster they have. very difficult. but as a fan, i'm wishfully thinking they find a way.

do you honestly think they will not clash? two of them are top tier players and when one gets more credit than the other do you think jealousy will not come in? example if they win the ring either one wade/lebron gets the finals MVP ( never mind about bosh)

[jsmithj88]

lebron did something EVERY player in the nba wants to do, PLAY WITH OTHER GREAT PLAYERS
u dont think kobe wouldnt want to play with lebron, wade, chris paul, bosh etc ?

[kobefanatic]

lebron did something EVERY player in the nba wants to do, PLAY WITH OTHER GREAT PLAYERS
u dont think kobe wouldnt want to play with lebron, wade, chris paul, bosh etc ?

no kobe wants to be the clear cut number 1 guy

[Ratzz]

Fisher only signed with the Fakers
because nobody gives head...
or deflects blame as good as kobie

he does so because nobody ever takes the blame

[MrSink]

u are totally right

[Bradyd]

was it televised? , yeah he wanted to be traded to a team a ready made but does he want it to be filled with another superstar? or let's say another top tier guy? kobe wants to be traded but to a team with solid role player or another 2nd tier star how can you call that worst?

he is the best on miami now? i don't think so, both he and wade could be arguable, gasol is great to be a 2nd fiddle but he can't be a number 1 guy, cavaliers of both 08-10 is not that bad just another piece away, how can they have the best regular season record for 2 consecutive years if that team is not championship capable?

What are you arguing? My point is what Kobe did in 2007 was the same, if not worst than what Lebron did. And yes it was televised. I still don't understand how you can bash a guy for playing with another superstar? EVerybody who wins a championship does. And yes, Lebron is better than Wade. Kobe and Wade are arguable now. I believe wade will pass him this year, but that's mainly because Wade is entering into his prime while kobe is leaving his. Age is a factor with that. But Lebron is better, hence is why everybody on this board is crying about the decision Lebron made. Hence is why you are bashing Lebron for "not being the number 1 guy". You only do that if he was the best.

And the best record in the league does not mean you have a chamspionship caliber team. That just means you play very hard during the regular season. Look at Dallas. The Cleveland team was not that good, they just had so much chemistry with 1 superstar and all role players. Remember, role players are not consistent enough to rely on every night....

[kobefanatic]

What are you arguing? My point is what Kobe did in 2007 was the same, if not worst than what Lebron did. And yes it was televised. I still don't understand how you can bash a guy for playing with another superstar? EVerybody who wins a championship does. And yes, Lebron is better than Wade. Kobe and Wade are arguable now. I believe wade will pass him this year, but that's mainly because Wade is entering into his prime while kobe is leaving his. Age is a factor with that. But Lebron is better, hence is why everybody on this board is crying about the decision Lebron made. Hence is why you are bashing Lebron for "not being the number 1 guy". You only do that if he was the best.

And the best record in the league does not mean you have a chamspionship caliber team. That just means you play very hard during the regular season. Look at Dallas. The Cleveland team was not that good, they just had so much chemistry with 1 superstar and all role players. Remember, role players are not consistent enough to rely on every night....

you think that lakers roster back then was even competitive? before the arrival of PAU, what kobe wanted back then was for the management to get the pieces for his team, he demanded his trade but all he wanted was to get to a team that has STARS and not superstars look at his preferred team BULLS, only hinrich,noah, thomas, and deng are there, they're not superstars just serviceable role players, that's the difference between him and leQUEEN, kobe wanted a team with him being the clear cut number 1 guy, stars that are a tier below him, unlike lebron who's playing with 1 top tier superstar and a 2nd tier

that team is a good team, just ask the cavs fans/ lebron fans during the 09-10 season they were proclaiming like they could have won it this past yr with the acquisition of shaq and jamison

[kobefanatic]

http://forum.sbrforum.com/nba-basketball-handicapping/436113-why-cleveland-cleveland-favorites-win-nba-title.html

look at how the number 1 lebron fan argue with everyone here

[domz248]

What are you arguing? My point is what Kobe did in 2007 was the same, if not worst than what Lebron did. And yes it was televised. I still don't understand how you can bash a guy for playing with another superstar? EVerybody who wins a championship does. And yes, Lebron is better than Wade. Kobe and Wade are arguable now. I believe wade will pass him this year, but that's mainly because Wade is entering into his prime while kobe is leaving his. Age is a factor with that. But Lebron is better, hence is why everybody on this board is crying about the decision Lebron made. Hence is why you are bashing Lebron for "not being the number 1 guy". You only do that if he was the best.

And the best record in the league does not mean you have a chamspionship caliber team. That just means you play very hard during the regular season. Look at Dallas. The Cleveland team was not that good, they just had so much chemistry with 1 superstar and all role players. Remember, role players are not consistent enough to rely on every night....

you miss one big thing kobe has 5 rings and brought them all to the team that drafted him and to the fans that stood by him ... lebron has no rings and left all that stood by him 2 stand alone ... kobe just won 2 rings in a row and you got something negative 2 say rofl

[Bradyd]

you miss one big thing kobe has 5 rings and brought them all to the team that drafted him and to the fans that stood by him ... lebron has no rings and left all that stood by him 2 stand alone ... kobe just won 2 rings in a row and you got something negative 2 say rofl

Dude you missed the entire boat. This argument isn't about who had more rings or who won 2 in a row. Go back and read the rest of the conversation!!

[Bradyd]

you think that lakers roster back then was even competitive? before the arrival of PAU, what kobe wanted back then was for the management to get the pieces for his team, he demanded his trade but all he wanted was to get to a team that has STARS and not superstars look at his preferred team BULLS, only hinrich,noah, thomas, and deng are there, they're not superstars just serviceable role players, that's the difference between him and leQUEEN, kobe wanted a team with him being the clear cut number 1 guy, stars that are a tier below him, unlike lebron who's playing with 1 top tier superstar and a 2nd tier

that team is a good team, just ask the cavs fans/ lebron fans during the 09-10 season they were proclaiming like they could have won it this past yr with the acquisition of shaq and jamison

Once again, Kobe did things his way and Lebron his. But to only understand Kobe's path is insanity. They were both in similar situations. Best players in the league and on teams that couldn't win the championship. Clear cut guy or not, that has nothing to do with why Kobe gets a pass from you while Lebron doesn't. The point is Kobe had superstar "sidekick" (hate using that word) on his team when he won. Most do. The only big man I believe is better than Paul is Howard. So having a superstar is very important to winning.
A lot of teams proclaim they can win the title. Look at Dallas. A good regular season team is different from a legitimate Championship team. Proclaiming doesn't make you a championship team. Lebron needed help. Just like Kobe needed help. My man Jordan needed help. Magic needed help. Shaq needed help, etc... Everybody needs helps. Like I said before, if you are going to bash lebron for trying to go to a championship ready team WITH him, you better be willingly to bash Kobe also. They both did the same thing in similar fashion. But Lebron fans think he did no wrong while Kobe was all wrong. And Kobe fans think the opposite. Both are wrong!!

[kobefanatic]

Once again, Kobe did things his way and Lebron his. But to only understand Kobe's path is insanity. They were both in similar situations. Best players in the league and on teams that couldn't win the championship. Clear cut guy or not, that has nothing to do with why Kobe gets a pass from you while Lebron doesn't. The point is Kobe had superstar "sidekick" (hate using that word) on his team when he won. Most do. The only big man I believe is better than Paul is Howard. So having a superstar is very important to winning.
A lot of teams proclaim they can win the title. Look at Dallas. A good regular season team is different from a legitimate Championship team. Proclaiming doesn't make you a championship team. Lebron needed help. Just like Kobe needed help. My man Jordan needed help. Magic needed help. Shaq needed help, etc... Everybody needs helps. Like I said before, if you are going to bash lebron for trying to go to a championship ready team WITH him, you better be willingly to bash Kobe also. They both did the same thing in similar fashion. But Lebron fans think he did no wrong while Kobe was all wrong. And Kobe fans think the opposite. Both are wrong!!

look at the team that kobe had when he demanded a trade and look at the team that lebron had when he left talent is too far off,
kwame(butterfingers)
odom ( mr inconsistent)
smush (man who never plays D and can't shoot)
luke( the puke)
brian cook ( big man allergic to rebounds)
mihm ( never the same after the freak injury)
farmar and bynum both young that time
vujacic ( shooter that can't shoot)
only lamar was a reliable player for kobe

cavs roster
jamison( former all star not jamison of a few years back but still reliable)
mo williams ( unworthy all star but serviceable)
varejao ( mr hustle of the cavs)
west ( good backup player if not for his banging)
hickson( good young big man for a backup)
shaq ( space eater but can D up the big bodies)
big Z ( old but can still put up numbers in a bench role)

i'll take the cavs roster that lebron left over the lakers roster in 07 when kobe complained to the FO

[kobefanatic]

did you forget about a healthy YAO?

[jsmithj88]

no kobe wants to be the clear cut number 1 guy

so ur saying that if they traded derek fisher for wade he would veto that trade
the answer is HELL NO

[Goat Milk]

What are you arguing? My point is what Kobe did in 2007 was the same, if not worst than what Lebron did. And yes it was televised. I still don't understand how you can bash a guy for playing with another superstar? EVerybody who wins a championship does. And yes, Lebron is better than Wade. Kobe and Wade are arguable now. I believe wade will pass him this year, but that's mainly because Wade is entering into his prime while kobe is leaving his. Age is a factor with that. But Lebron is better, hence is why everybody on this board is crying about the decision Lebron made. Hence is why you are bashing Lebron for "not being the number 1 guy". You only do that if he was the best. And the best record in the league does not mean you have a chamspionship caliber team. That just means you play very hard during the regular season. Look at Dallas. The Cleveland team was not that good, they just had so much chemistry with 1 superstar and all role players. Remember, role players are not consistent enough to rely on every night....

Kobe already proved he is the best player in the world this year buddy. Until Lebron can win a ring, he will never be the best player in the world. End of discussion.

[Bradyd]

look at the team that kobe had when he demanded a trade and look at the team that lebron had when he left talent is too far off,
kwame(butterfingers)
odom ( mr inconsistent)
smush (man who never plays D and can't shoot)
luke( the puke)
brian cook ( big man allergic to rebounds)
mihm ( never the same after the freak injury)
farmar and bynum both young that time
vujacic ( shooter that can't shoot)
only lamar was a reliable player for kobe

cavs roster
jamison( former all star not jamison of a few years back but still reliable)
mo williams ( unworthy all star but serviceable)
varejao ( mr hustle of the cavs)
west ( good backup player if not for his banging)
hickson( good young big man for a backup)
shaq ( space eater but can D up the big bodies)
big Z ( old but can still put up numbers in a bench role)

i'll take the cavs roster that lebron left over the lakers roster in 07 when kobe complained to the FO

Neither of those rosters are a championship team. My point is that both of them wanted/needed/needs another superstar to win. They wanted out. Kobe wanted to be traded and Lebron went to another team. So if you are goiong to bash Lebron you better bash Kobe too. If you are going to give Kobe a free pass, you better give Lebron one too.

And Yao isnt healthy anymore. So Gasol is the 2nd best big man in the game..