Lebron will never win any championship unless he changes his attitude!

[startm]

Lebron is great enough to win

[williams22]

Get outa here with that list bro. Russell is not on that list, if Lebron wins at least 2 rings- bird will be knocked off that list 100%

Strongly disagree. Russell is one of the ultimate champions to ever play the game. The guy dominated both ends of the court and even took on player-coaching duties for a bit. Who would you put top 5 over Russell right now?

[rm18]

jordan, hakeem, shaq, bird, kareem in no order

[williams22]

jordan, hakeem, shaq, bird, kareem in no order

I'm not sure how you can put Hakeem over Magic and Russell.

[Goat Milk]

Hakeem and Shaq are no where near the top 5 bro. No where even fukking close.

If Kobe is not on the list, Shaq is not RM18. Kobe will go down as a much better player than Shaq.

Will- Russel is a champion, but he's not making it on that list over Big O. If Big O won 3-4 rings, he'd go down as a better player than Jordan. Because he only won 1 ring, he's 5th on my list.

Wilt Chambelin is the most overrated player in NBA history. He took fukkin 30-40 shots per game to get 40 points- pathetic. He couldn't hit a jump shot to save his life. Have you ever seen the guy play on film? He would be a solid center in today's league- nothing more.

[williams22]

Hakeem and Shaq are no where near the top 5 bro. No where even fukking close.

If Kobe is not on the list, Shaq is not RM18. Kobe will go down as a much better player than Shaq.

Will- Russel is a champion, but he's not making it on that list over Big O. If Big O won 3-4 rings, he'd go down as a better player than Jordan. Because he only won 1 ring, he's 5th on my list.

Wilt Chambelin is the most overrated player in NBA history. He took fukkin 30-40 shots per game to get 40 points- pathetic. He couldn't hit a jump shot to save his life. Have you ever seen the guy play on film? He would be a solid center in today's league- nothing more.

No way Big O goes over Russell. Russell won 5 MVPs, 12-time All-Star, 11 rings. Oscar had 1 MVP and 1 ring. At the time, Russell was the ultimate competitor in the league.

[Goat Milk]

No way Big O goes over Russell. Russell won 5 MVPs, 12-time All-Star, 11 rings. Oscar had 1 MVP and 1 ring. At the time, Russell was the ultimate competitor in the league.

I know Russel is the ultimate champion bro- but he was in the best organization in basketball. Oscar played on shit teams his whole career, and did things the league had never seen before. The guy was a PG grabbing 10 boards a game. He revolutionized the position- Russel didn't revolutionize anything.

You can certainly put Russel on a top 5 list without question, but to be on my top 5, you have to revolutionize the position. Those are things that Jordan, Big O, Kareem, and Magic all did.

[williams22]

I know Russel is the ultimate champion bro- but he was in the best organization in basketball. Oscar played on shit teams his whole career, and did things the league had never seen before. The guy was a PG grabbing 10 boards a game. He revolutionized the position- Russel didn't revolutionize anything.

You can certainly put Russel on a top 5 list without question, but to be on my top 5, you have to revolutionize the position. Those are things that Jordan, Big O, Kareem, and Magic all did.

Going by your definition, I'm not sure how you can say Kareem revolutionized the position but Russell didn't. Russell played defense like no one had ever seen. He turned blocking into an art form.

Also, Oscar's numbers aren't nearly as impressive if you adjust them to the pace of today's game. Teams averaged over 25 more possessions per game during his triple double year than they do now.

Not sure how you can leave Bird off the list either.

My second tier (6-15th range) would include guys like Wilt, Oscar, Shaq, Kobe, Hakeem, etc.

[Goat Milk]

Ok- so that would mean that Russel's numbers are adjusted too. More possession=more blocks.

Bird is on that list right now for me. I just know for a fact that when Kobe retires, he will be on that list and Bird will be removed. Even if Kobe removes Bird, Bird is still the best SF of all time. But if Lebron wins 2+ rings, Bird will also drop in that spot and LeBron will go down as the best SF of all time.

[baazigar]

love it ! haha

[williams22]

Ok- so that would mean that Russel's numbers are adjusted too. More possession=more blocks.

Bird is on that list right now for me. I just know for a fact that when Kobe retires, he will be on that list and Bird will be removed. Even if Kobe removes Bird, Bird is still the best SF of all time. But if Lebron wins 2+ rings, Bird will also drop in that spot and LeBron will go down as the best SF of all time.

Sure, you can adjust Russell's numbers too, but 11 rings remains 11 rings. He also revolutionized the position be being the best defensive center in the history of the game. They didn't record blocks as a stat back then, but some have suggested he came close to a triple double with pts/rbs/blks some years.

[jlgarciaiii22]

those of you questioning my opinion are getting fukken owned right now. i'm toying with your sorry asses

How much did you loss on the Cav's a$$hole

Glad that you could pat yourself on the back Thinking that you OWN people that comment on your bullshit

Lebron has as much talent as your posting does dickhead!

The Cavs bragged about having the team that goes all the way this year... No EXCUSES from you or Lexcuse James

[playa420]

LebBon just needs to get the **** outta cleveland, and find a team with some quality players

[Mac4Lyfe]

actually made it last year, as a replacement for injury, still though mo is garbage.

wasnt williams on the all star team last year?


http://www.nba.com/allstar2009/players/

Actually, MoWill was a replacement of a replacement last year. 2 guys had to go out before Mo got in

[BobHarvey]

Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony, Dirk Nowitzki, Jason Kidd, Allen Iverson, Chris Bosh. What do these players have in common?

All great players and in the case of Kidd and Iverson WERE great players...They also share the knowledge that none of them, especially Lebron Jane and Susan B. Anthony will never sniff an NBA title. Talent yes, true leadership NO.

Out.

[Goat Milk]

you probably watched Lebron play during 20 games a year then in the playoffs and you make that assumption. All NBA gamblers make that assumption. People that know winners and talent are people that live Basketball. Lebron will get 1-4 rings before he retires. He just needs to be lead. Lebron needs to remove the crown and listen to a veteran/a winner like D Wade. Lebron can easily go to Miami, and anyone that said "Lebron will never win a ring" will make themselves look like fools as D Wade and Bron 3 peat with ease. such ease.

[williams22]

you probably watched Lebron play during 20 games a year then in the playoffs and you make that assumption. All NBA gamblers make that assumption. People that know winners and talent are people that live Basketball. Lebron will get 1-4 rings before he retires. He just needs to be lead. Lebron needs to remove the crown and listen to a veteran/a winner like D Wade. Lebron can easily go to Miami, and anyone that said "Lebron will never win a ring" will make themselves look like fools as D Wade and Bron 3 peat with ease. such ease.

I agree they would 3-peat or more, but Wade won't be the leader. Most likely they would lead that team by co-committee. Lebron's got plenty of leadership, but he's going to start to get frustrated if he doesn't get a star to help him soon. I'd love to know how soon after losing game 6 he and Wade were on the phone.

[obamaismyuncle]

Lebron will go to the windy city..

[williams22]

Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony, Dirk Nowitzki, Jason Kidd, Allen Iverson, Chris Bosh. What do these players have in common?

All great players and in the case of Kidd and Iverson WERE great players...They also share the knowledge that none of them, especially Lebron Jane and Susan B. Anthony will never sniff an NBA title. Talent yes, true leadership NO.

Out.

So Bosh, Melo, and Lebron are just beginning to enter their primes, but you already know that none of them will win a championship?

[BobHarvey]

Goat,

Get back to me when Lebron has gotten ONE ring. Need that first one before you can start going 1-2-3.

Lebron's not my favorite player nor dare I say the favorite of a lot of "bettors" who invested in his "Mad Skillz" in the Boston series. I don't think you needed to watch much basketball season (all though I did a lot). Game 5 told me all I needed to know about Jane. With any luck he'll go the Knicks and continue his ringless ways.

[BobHarvey]

Williams,

You need the first ring. And no not Bosh, not Melo, not Lebron Jane.

[richyrich8478]

I really don't think that the attitude is the problem. He is still young and its possible the pressure gets to him no matter how tough and confident he tries to always display. Its not like the supporting cast he has is the greatest. last in league in free throws and so on. Great team but i can go on forever but not in mood. Really don't think its the attitude that is even close to a lead reason that he hasn't won championship. Young, could have better support, free throws, having to play teams like celtics and magic are not easy tasks to achieve. but thats enough to show that its not attitude as deciding factor

[seaborneq]

Where was KG in the greatest of all time debate before he won a ring? No where. It only takes one ring to be a champion. Multiple or repeat get you even more respect, 3 rings gets you in the Bird conversation, 4 is getting in the Kobe, Shaq, Tim Duncan stratosphere, 5 rings and being the best player on those teams gets you MJ status. No one will ever reach that one.

[williams22]

Where was KG in the greatest of all time debate before he won a ring? No where. It only takes one ring to be a champion. Multiple or repeat get you even more respect, 3 rings gets you in the Bird conversation, 4 is getting in the Kobe, Shaq, Tim Duncan stratosphere, 5 rings and being the best player on those teams gets you MJ status. No one will ever reach that one.

Except Russell who has 11.

[seaborneq]

Except Russell who has 11.

Russell wasn't the best team on all 11 teams.

[williams22]

Russell wasn't the best team on all 11 teams.

On 5 or more he was though.

[seaborneq]

On 5 or more he was though.

On 5 or more he was though.

Ok 5 for Russell, 6 for Jordan. Those two will stand alone. No one else will reach those plateaus.

[Snowball]

guys not for nothing but sneaker technology has improved a lot since the 50's-70's and so has sports medicine.
the most irksome problem in stat comparisons is the insurmountable fact that the NBA did not have 3-point shots until the 1979-80 season.
Everyone knows Kobe's stats are padded with 3's and quite a few other shotmakers from previous eras would have had a lot more points.
It really bothers me when announcers call Jordan the best all-time, as if that's somehow "settled".
Comparisons between players of different eras never works in sports.
that's all i gotz 2 say.

[talnted]

lebron will get his championship eventually hes one of the best players in the league. his time will come.

[Snowball]

When Kareem finished his career with the Los Angeles Lakers and had his number retired at the Los Angeles Forum, he was asked who was the greatest player he had played with or against.
After a long silence, Kareem answered 'It would have to be Earl "The Goat" Manigault,' much to the amazement of everyone.

http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Earl_%22The_Goat%22_Manigault

[raiders32]

He is overrated, but he has absolutely no help at all. I wouldn't call any of his teammates even average Nba players.

[Goat Milk]

Will- Miami is Wade's team, his city, if Bron comes there, Wade will still be the captain.

Snowball- of course you can compare players from other eras. Stats are just a bunch of bullshit, don't look at stats, watch film of guys play in the 60s and 70s and then compare them to Bryant and Jordan (by the way way more shots taken in the past, higher scores, less defense, so inflated stats). There were guys like Big O, Russel, Magic, Kareem that would still be dominant with the likes of Bron, Wade, Kobe.

But the league is much different now- that players are much better, faster, stronger, more athletic, more skilled (a lot of people including Bob Cousey couldn't shoot for shit). If I took my skills back to the 60s I would be in the NBA I swear it- I've seen film of these "role players"-it's fukking pitiful- comparable to a D2 or D3 college team. That's another reason why superstars at that time got much better stats, there were about 15 dominant players in the league at that time, and today, there are at least nearly 5-10 dominant players at every position.

[Powderguy]

Hmmmm interesting stuff

[stealthyburrito]

Actually, MoWill was a replacement of a replacement last year. 2 guys had to go out before Mo got in

ok so i was off by one replacement

[nobull]

he probably will win at least one championship before its said and done. if not, he will be the second coming of charles barkley. great stats but no championship. maybe if he & wade signs with New York, it would be a lock.