Lebron will never win any championship unless he changes his attitude!

[williams22]

lakers records w/kobe after shaq left and before gasol got to LA

2005: 34-48
2006: 45-37
2007: 42-40

overall: 121-125 without shaq and without gasol and ZERO playoff series wins. anyone who knows shit about the nba knows that kobe cannot win without a great big man

Very much agreed. It is damn near impossible to win in the playoffs with a one-man team. The Cavs run to the finals in 2007 was about as close as any one player ever got.

[paco]

Very much agreed. It is damn near impossible to win in the playoffs with a one-man team. The Cavs run to the finals in 2007 was about as close as any one player ever got.

What about Iverson?

And he didn't get swept

[williams22]

What about Iverson?

And he didn't get swept

Ah, true. Forgot about that year somehow. Very weak overall year for the NBA though, especially the East.

[hoopster42]

What about Iverson?

And he didn't get swept

paco are you gona be another know-nothing fukk? iverson's coach was LARRY FUKKING BROWN!!! one of the best basketball coaches of our generation..........lebron's coach is MIKE FUKKING BROWN.......one of the worst coaches ever

[paco]

paco are you gona be another know-nothing fukk? iverson's coach was LARRY FUKKING BROWN!!! one of the best basketball coaches of our generation..........lebron's coach is MIKE FUKKING BROWN.......one of the worst coaches ever

I'm not in this arguement, William said nobody went to the finals without a big man, I said Iverson did. U guys carry on without me in this discussion.

ps: Larry Brown just got swept this year

[ThaTopMoron]

You win, Mo Williams is entirely equivalent to having Pippen, Shaq, or Pau.

Pshhhhhh....Mike Brown > Phil Jackson. That bum only has 10 rings and 12 Finals appearances.

Mo Williams WENT OFF ON BOSTON for 1 quarter in game 1 and 1 half in game 6. MO IS A PLAYOFF STUD > Pippen.

Boobie FOR 3 > Steve Kerr anyday. Steve Kerr?

A Jamison > Lamar Odom, Ron Harper.

Cavs Shaq > Lakers Shaq

and Obama is an Angel sent from Heaven

[The J-Dizzle]

Haha this is the best!

love this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j6Dt...eature=related

[Goat Milk]

Hoopster,

Anyone tuning into this argument would see your lack of NBA knowledge. I countered all your points, proved why the Lakers struggled in those years, and dismantled any rebuttal you had about the Shaq/Gasol statement.

Anyone that says "Kobe can't win without Shaq or Gasol" is seriously lacking in NBA knowledge. Even Williams22, the biggest Kobe hater of all, would never make this statement. Although he hates Kobe, he recognizes greatness when he sees it. You are a fool if you continue to believe this about arguably one of the best players ever to play the game.

[in2thethickofit]

All these NBA guys on their high horse...sick of them, quite frankly

[rm18]

Very much agreed. It is damn near impossible to win in the playoffs with a one-man team. The Cavs run to the finals in 2007 was about as close as any one player ever got.

the 1994 Rockets had less talent around Hakeem than the 2007 Cavaliers

[hoopster42]

Hoopster,

Anyone tuning into this argument would see your lack of NBA knowledge. I countered all your points, proved why the Lakers struggled in those years, and dismantled any rebuttal you had about the Shaq/Gasol statement.

Anyone that says "Kobe can't win without Shaq or Gasol" is seriously lacking in NBA knowledge. Even Williams22, the biggest Kobe hater of all, would never make this statement. Although he hates Kobe, he recognizes greatness when he sees it. You are a fool if you continue to believe this about arguably one of the best players ever to play the game.

kobe is one of the greatest all time, no question about it, but without shaq or gasol he would have zero rings right now, zero. lebron has not had even close to the talent around him that kobe has had. anyone who disagrees knows nothing about the nba and basketball at the highest level

[hoopster42]

the 1994 Rockets had less talent around Hakeem than the 2007 Cavaliers

incorrect. they had otis thorpe who was one of the best rebounding forwards in the league, if not the best. check his stats. they also had 4 excellent 3 pt shooters in kenny smith, sam cassell, vernon maxwell, and robert horry, oh yea, dont forget CLYDE FUKKEN DREXLER in 95 also. hakeem was surrounded by talent which is why they won back to back titles. hakeem and the rockets over the yrs were one of the only teams in the league who had a winning record against michael jordan and the bulls, which is why when jordan retired, they immediately went to the forefront to win the title, and they did both yrs

[Goat Milk]

Shaq would have 0 rings if he didn't play with the 2 best players on the planet.

That's why he failed in Orlando, he failed in PHX, and he couldn't even hold his own ground in Miami after Wade got injured.

[rm18]

I'm not in this arguement, William said nobody went to the finals without a big man, I said Iverson did. U guys carry on without me in this discussion.

ps: Larry Brown just got swept this year

He had mutumbo who was an all star at the time. Offensively that was a weak team and the everything ran through Iverson but basically every player other than Iverson was a great defender. Ben Gordon could of took that team to the finals because of the way they played defense.

[williams22]

the 1994 Rockets had less talent around Hakeem than the 2007 Cavaliers

Yes, Sasha Pavlovic is certainly equal to Clyde Drexler

[hoopster42]

those of you questioning my opinion are getting fukken owned right now. i'm toying with your sorry asses

[Goat Milk]

the 1994 Rockets had less talent around Hakeem than the 2007 Cavaliers

That is correct. But remember that the league was much different back then. You could win a championship with 1 superstar on your team and a bunch of role players. It's not like that anymore. And comparitively (to the rest of the league at the time), the Rockets had more talent.

[rm18]

Also like williams22 said overall talent level was way down at the time, NBA superstars included guys like Antoine Walker, Steve Francis, Keith "the truth" Van Horn, Shareef Abdur Rahim etc.

[rm18]

Yes, Sasha Pavlovic is certainly equal to Clyde Drexler

Drexler was on Portland then

[hoopster42]

Drexler was on Portland then

omg you fukking moron drexler got traded to houston halfway into the 95 season and helped them win their 2nd of a back to back. how can i argue with someone who does not even know the facts? you must by goat boyfriend

[williams22]

Drexler was on Portland then

94-95? He got traded midway through and started like 35 games for them plus the playoffs.

[Goat Milk]

Hoopster,

You have been getting owned all day in this argument with Kobe. I just made a Kobe hater admit that Kobe is one of the greatest of all time. Shut your trap boy.

[rm18]

That is correct. But remember that the league was much different back then. You could win a championship with 1 superstar on your team and a bunch of role players. It's not like that anymore. And comparitively (to the rest of the league at the time), the Rockets had more talent.

Nobody else ever did? That Rockets team had almost nothing outside of Hakeem, every team has some players but I don't think they win 20 games without him There are a few names on the team, but Thorpe was way past his prime, Cassell was a below average player, and Horry is famous but was never that good and that was only his rookie year also.

[hoopster42]

Hoopster,

You have been getting owned all day in this argument with Kobe. I just made a Kobe hater admit that Kobe is one of the greatest of all time. Shut your trap boy.

jordan never lost in the finals, kobe has lost twice in the finals. jordan far superior to kobe, magic superior to kobe, bird superior, bill russell superior, kareem too, wilt chamberlain. kobe is disliked by majority of fans and fellow players alike because he's a fake rapist piece of shit. oh yea, and in the gm of life, YOU are a nobody which is why you need to gain validity through being a fan of guy who could not give a rat's ass about YOU

owned.

[Goat Milk]

Nobody else ever did? That Rockets team had almost nothing outside of Hakeem, every team has some players but I don't think they win 20 games without him There are a few names on the team, but Thorpe was way past his prime, Cassell was a below average player, and Horry is famous but was never that good and that was only his rookie year also.

That's why I just said the league was different at that time. I was defending your point. You can't win with 1 superstar and role players in todays league.

[rm18]

94-95? He got traded midway through and started like 35 games for them plus the playoffs.

93-94 season where the Rockets also won lineup:

Kenny Smith
Mario Elie
Robert Horry
Otis Thorpe
Hakeeem

If you plug Matt Bullard in the starting lineup for Hakeem this team might of been one of the worst in history.

[williams22]

jordan never lost in the finals, kobe has lost twice in the finals. jordan far superior to kobe, magic superior to kobe, bird superior, bill russell superior, kareem too, wilt chamberlain. kobe is disliked by majority of fans and fellow players alike because he's a fake rapist piece of shit. oh yea, and in the gm of life, YOU are a nobody which is why you need to gain validity through being a fan of guy who could not give a rat's ass about YOU

owned.

Hoopster, let's back up a second...Wilt is superior to no one is that list. Talk about a guy with no heart. No one has cared more about statistics in the history of the game than Wilt.

[williams22]

93-94 season where the Rockets also won lineup:

Kenny Smith
Mario Elie
Robert Horry
Otis Thorpe
Hakeeem

If you plug Matt Bullard in the starting lineup for Hakeem this team might of been one of the worst in history.

Ok, that's fair. Incredibly weak league at the time though. Today's game requires at least 2 stars.

[hoopster42]

Nobody else ever did? That Rockets team had almost nothing outside of Hakeem, every team has some players but I don't think they win 20 games without him There are a few names on the team, but Thorpe was way past his prime, Cassell was a below average player, and Horry is famous but was never that good and that was only his rookie year also.

you are an idiot for thinking thorpe was past his prime then. he was 31 freakin yrs old when the 93-94 season started, that's barely past an nba players prime and often times is the fukken prime.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thorpot01.html

here's some stats of the 94 rockets so you can learn the game a little bit:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/HOU/1994.html

4 starters in double figures and 2 backups (horry and elie) within .7 of avg'ing double digits. please learn basketball before talking about it

[hoopster42]

Hoopster- if you are not a fan of NBA players, then you are not a true NBA fan. Do you think I give two shits about Kobe as a person? I study his game because I'm a fan of the game and I play it nearly everyday. At the very least, these nigggers give us "losers" something to discuss.

I'm not even going to respond to that post because you're probably a 20 year old kid who doesn't know any better. Anyone that puts Wilt on that list is clueless Good day.

you just lost ALL credibility. you think because wilt only had 2 titles that he doesnt deserve to be on the best ever list? you know nothing. absolutely nothing.

google ANY nba best players ever list from a credible website and wilt is top 5 in every one of them.

[Goat Milk]

you just lost ALL credibility. you think because wilt only had 2 titles that he doesnt deserve to be on the best ever list? you know nothing. absolutely nothing.

google ANY nba best players ever list from a credible website and wilt is top 5 in every one of them.

you are a fool. Have you studied film from the Wilt era? I swear on my life I could have made the NBA if I transferred my skills from today to that time. He was playing with chumps around him. There were about 20 great players in the league at that time. No competition- he fukking toyed with people. If you put Wilt in the league today, he'd be a great center, an all-star, but no superstar. You are a fool because you look at stats. It has nothing to do with his lack of rings.

Do you fukking think Bill Russel would win that many rings if he was playing in the Jordan or Kobe era? Fukk NO. Get a clue. The league was a disgrace during the Wilt era. Watch some film of the players, they're worse than the ballers i hoop with. I'm done with this conversation

[williams22]

you just lost ALL credibility. you think because wilt only had 2 titles that he doesnt deserve to be on the best ever list? you know nothing. absolutely nothing.

google ANY nba best players ever list from a credible website and wilt is top 5 in every one of them.

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Hoopster, I've agreed with a lot of what you've said but claiming wilt as a top 5 player is absurd. All the other players you listed were indisputable "winners", but not Wilt. The guy obsessed over statistics to no end and spent his career being owned by Russell. For example, he was so obsessed with going an entire season without fouling out that he would often stop playing defense once he had 4 or 5 fouls. He also spent one season obsessed with the idea of leading the league in assists, so he often refused to shoot to pad his assist numbers, then got angry at teammates when they missed shots. Wilt was a freakish athlete yes, but a winner? No way.

[hoopster42]

you can only compare players to those in their era, which is why wilt is in the top 5 of EVERY BEST EVER LIST you can find.

i cannot argue with imbeciles so i'm done here.

[williams22]

you can only compare players to those in their era, which is why wilt is in the top 5 of EVERY BEST EVER LIST you can find.

i cannot argue with imbeciles so i'm done here.

Jordan, Russell, Bird, Magic, Kareem.

Which one do you knock out?

[Goat Milk]

Jordan, Russell, Bird, Magic, Kareem.

Which one do you knock out?

Get outa here with that list bro. Russell is not on that list, if Lebron wins at least 2 rings- bird will be knocked off that list 100%