For those who don't think Lebron is clutch...

**Crayzee** · 04-04-10, 03:16 PM

connecticut women wouldve not missed any of those free throws and won by 20

**SportsTerminator** · 04-04-10, 03:18 PM

Lakers vs. Cavs... NBA Finals
Lebron = MVP
And Lebron would have to that last possession more serious if that game meant something...

**williams22** · 04-04-10, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by SportsTerminator

Lakers vs. Cavs... NBA Finals
Lebron = MVP
And Lebron would have to that last possession more serious if that game meant something...

I gotta think he was thinking go for the win since it's a road game but who knows. This game was meaningless for the Cavs, but nice to see Lebron make the strong comeback even when he shot like shit all day.

**BernardMadoff** · 04-04-10, 03:24 PM

36-39 ats

**Scorpion** · 04-04-10, 03:29 PM

Queen James sucks ass

**williams22** · 04-04-10, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by Scorpion

Queen James sucks ass

Name another player in the league capable of making that comeback in the 4th. Lebron is the only one who can do it.

**williams22** · 04-04-10, 03:48 PM

I just watched the last shot again, not as bad as I originally thought. Boston had two guys clearly back on D and Lebron saw Jamison in rebounding position. Going for the win on the road is the right thing to do, especially in a meaningless game like this one. Personally, I would have liked him to drive, but I at least understand the choice.

**BernardMadoff** · 04-04-10, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by williams22

Name another player in the league capable of making that comeback in the 4th. Lebron is the only one who can do it.

Kobe. Lebron was awesome that 4th quarter, but Kobe does that in the 4th quarter alot also.

**williams22** · 04-04-10, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by BernardMadoff

Kobe. Lebron was awesome that 4th quarter, but Kobe does that in the 4th quarter alot also.

I can't remember Kobe overcoming a 20-point deficit single-handedly. He normally quits on his team at that point. In fact, wasn't it you who mentioned this the other day? No way Kobe would have done what Lebron did.

**Grind House** · 04-04-10, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by williams22

Name another player in the league capable of making that comeback in the 4th. Lebron is the only one who can do it.

What comeback, they lost the game. Don't you have to win for it to be considered a comeback?

**BernardMadoff** · 04-04-10, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by williams22

I can't remember Kobe overcoming a 20-point deficit single-handedly. He normally quits on his team at that point. In fact, wasn't it you who mentioned this the other day? No way Kobe would have done what Lebron did.

Yes, I wasnt referring to the 20 point deficit, just coming back and being the go-to guy in the 4th quarter, but yea 20 point deficit in the 4th, Kobe I dont think would have even tried to come back from that.

**williams22** · 04-04-10, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by Grind House

What comeback, they lost the game. Don't you have to win for it to be considered a comeback?

Of course you can comeback and lose. Either way, still 6.5 games up on your squad

**williams22** · 04-04-10, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by BernardMadoff

Yes, I wasnt referring to the 20 point deficit, just coming back and being the go-to guy in the 4th quarter, but yea 20 point deficit in the 4th, Kobe I dont think would have even tried to come back from that.

Yeah that's what I meant. I think Lebron is the only guy willing and able to make such a huge comeback by himself.

**Scorpion** · 04-04-10, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by williams22

Name another player in the league capable of making that comeback in the 4th. Lebron is the only one who can do it.

**** Lebron!
No rings, stupid dirtbag always chokes in bug games

**Bankroll$10** · 04-05-10, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by williams22

Kobe hasn't ever come close to those numbers. A lot of good the alpha male did from '05-'08 huh?

That is the dumbest thing you could have said! No team wins EVERY year. Kobe brought a championship back to LA without Shaq and not coming close to having the role players jordan did with the bulls. Yes, we see the most elite player in the nba shifting from kobe to lebron but DO NOT forget what kobe has done in the last few years now that he is at the age 31. Lebron is in his prime so of course people are naturally favoring him, not saying he is bad because he will be the mvp for a 2nd season but dont compare lebrons prime to kobe at the age of 31. And lets not forget, how many championships does lebron have?? i do believe lebron will have an nba championship but he will still have catching up to do with kobe.

One final thought is if my team is down 2 with 1 possession left i rather have kobe with the ball than any other player in the nba knowing he has been there 1000 times before and is a proven winner. he has shown time and time again he will step up big. so yes lebron is taking the crown for best player in the nba but do not let that take away from kobe considering he is one of the best players to have ever played the game.

I'm interested to see how good Lebron will be in his 30's when it will be harder for him to use his athleticism and will be forced to rely a little more on skill.

**Grind House** · 04-05-10, 02:52 AM

Originally posted by williams22

Of course you can comeback and lose. Either way, still 6.5 games up on your squad

Haven't we seen this movie before?

**kobefanatic** · 05-14-10, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by williams22

Yeah that's what I meant. I think Lebron is the only guy willing and able to make such a huge comeback by himself.

**UntilTheNDofTimE** · 05-14-10, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by kobefanatic

Where's this guy now

**Holtgetsback** · 05-14-10, 12:54 AM

**kobefanatic** · 05-14-10, 12:56 AM

Originally posted by UntilTheNDofTimE

Where's this guy now

the most clutch player went FISHING, while MR NO CLUTCH is still playing for another RING

**kobefanatic** · 05-14-10, 01:01 AM

Originally posted by williams22

Which is why I've always said Lebron's leadership and charisma are what separates him from Kobe. We can argue physical talent until we are blue in the face (which I still enjoy), but the moral of the story is you will never see Lebron's teammates turn on him...ever.

what happened tonight?

**kobefanatic** · 05-14-10, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by kobefanatic

lebron is great in the regular season but chokes during playoffs

i don't know basketball all right

**kobefanatic** · 05-14-10, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by williams22

You'd be surprised. My main point with this thread is that Lebron's "clutchness" is often overlooked because it doesn't come in the form of a buzzer beater. Lebron tends to take over a game mid-way through the 4th and ensure the game never comes to a last shot. In the minds of Kobe fans, this means Kobe is better.

he took over right

**kobefanatic** · 05-14-10, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by williams22

IT'S ONLY ONE GAME!!! You can't be serious. You are defending a guy who quit on his team? Bad enough to do it at all, but game 7 of the playoffs!!!??? He's a selfish prick.

I give up, you cannot be reasoned with.

now explain the 2 games that LEBRON threw away, his team have more talent than the 06 lakers, threw away game 5 at home and game 6 on the road

**t-wizzle** · 05-14-10, 01:07 AM

His clutchness isn't overlooked, it's overrated. Dribble, dribble, dribble, launch 3 and shoot airball, dribble dribble dribble launch long jumper, "clank!", repeat...

Williams, i don't mean to gang up on you but Lebron's game often gets worse in the fourth quarter.

**Extra Innings** · 05-14-10, 01:08 AM

hot damn

**Mac4Lyfe** · 05-14-10, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by UntilTheNDofTimE

Where's this guy now

Williams is at Lebron's house nursing his right elbow and rubbing/polishing his ring...

**STAY STRONG** · 05-14-10, 01:13 AM

bye bye LEBRONZE!

**kobefanatic** · 05-14-10, 01:15 AM

Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

Williams is at Lebron's house nursing his right elbow and rubbing/polishing his ring...

**kobefanatic** · 05-14-10, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by williams22

Don't forget Lebron has to deal with the free agency questions all year long and has done a good job handling it and not letting it distract him or his team. You see, he puts his team above himself, which is something Kobe will NEVER do.

oh well

**kobefanatic** · 05-14-10, 01:20 AM

Originally posted by williams22

No way, I enjoyed watching Kobe fall apart two years ago.

Shaq didn't demand to be traded and didn't demand that Kobe be traded either. They didn't love each other, but they could have gotten along. Why are you defending his clearly selfish actions?

Anyways, Lebron owns Kobe this year and will for every year in the future. The Lakers cannot beat the Cavs in 7 games.

didn't even need the lakers to do it,

, cavs can't beat boston too

**kobefanatic** · 05-14-10, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by williams22

You really question Lebron's will (I'll use 2 L's if you don't mind) to win? Go check out his 48-point performance against Detroit in the playoffs where he had to be carried off the court after scoring 29 of his team's final 30 points. Check out his playoff numbers. The guy steps up his game BIG TIME come the postseason. He just hasn't had an even mediocre supporting cast until this year.

Again I ask, where was Kobe's will to win from '05-'08? How do you justify his selfish actions in game 7 against the Suns that cost them the series?

please justify the games 5 and 6 compared to game 7 of 06, it cost them this series too
he surely stepped up big time

**Mac4Lyfe** · 05-14-10, 01:26 AM

Lebron is built for the regular season. Once the playoffs start he sandbags his team which makes them shrink.

**Mikail** · 05-14-10, 01:27 AM

Lebron kiss Kobe's rings

**Goat Milk** · 05-14-10, 01:36 AM

lol will these guys will dig 1 month back for anything you have said about Lebron over Kobe. Now- I command you to root for Kobe for this ring