For those who don't think Lebron is clutch...

[jsmithj88]

Lebron lacks the mental toughness Kobe has... I think Lebron will get that toughness to him one day but we have not seen it yet

haha, wat is that supposed to mean??
shud he show the same mental toughness as kobe by demanding a trade when his team sucked ass??

[williams22]

haha, wat is that supposed to mean??
shud he show the same mental toughness as kobe by demanding a trade when his team sucked ass??

Don't forget Lebron has to deal with the free agency questions all year long and has done a good job handling it and not letting it distract him or his team. You see, he puts his team above himself, which is something Kobe will NEVER do.

[jsmithj88]

do you actually believe the lakers' roster that time will be able to win another championship had they stayed together? PG payton almost end of his career SG kobe SF george PF malone may not be around anymore the following season C shaq bench brian cook, derek fisher, rick fox, horace grant stanislav medvedenko, jannero pargo, kareem rush, bryon russell, jamal sampson, luke walton these are the bench players in that final season they've been together, do you actually think with these players they could win another chip if they stayed beyond that season? they won't have any cap space to sign players that can actually help, kobe got his new contract that year, they may only use their MLE back then so they could get a FA at most that can help

if miami can build a championship IN 2 YEARS, with wade, a broken down mourning, payton, walker, white chocolate, etc
why the hell couldnt the same be done with the lakers?
u keep making moves until u get the rite pieces just like miami did.
when are u gonna admit kobe had a HUGE say on shaq getting traded?
like u said, he RESIGNED after shaq was traded ..... gee i wonder if kobe used that leverage ......

[jsmithj88]

im not a giant lebron fan but i recognize him as the best player in the league, by far.
put it this way, kobe is a fantastic player, hes always gonna get u 27-30 ppg shooting 45+% every year
and tahts dam good for a shooting guard.
can u imagine if he did that and grabbed 7 boards and 7 assists every nite??

[kobefanatic]

if miami can build a championship IN 2 YEARS, with wade, a broken down mourning, payton, walker, white chocolate, etc
why the hell couldnt the same be done with the lakers?
u keep making moves until u get the rite pieces just like miami did.
when are u gonna admit kobe had a HUGE say on shaq getting traded?
like u said, he RESIGNED after shaq was traded ..... gee i wonder if kobe used that leverage ......

they won't have the cap space to do it anyway, kobe's contract along with shaq's eats half of the lakers' payroll and they don't have any trade assets, no one would take them, even with shaq on board they couldn't win another one, malone will retire, so as fox, grant and russell, it's the right move at the time to trade shaq while he still has value, to get them some players in return, if he has a huge part about it so what? the laker's chose to side with him and that's their decision, they know much better than you do, they're not working in the NBA FO for no reason, at least they got 1 ring and counting after a few years of mediocrity, they built themselves for the future, if they stucked with shaq back then they wouldn't be able to build the team they have now

[kobefanatic]

im not a giant lebron fan but i recognize him as the best player in the league, by far.
put it this way, kobe is a fantastic player, hes always gonna get u 27-30 ppg shooting 45+% every year
and tahts dam good for a shooting guard.
can u imagine if he did that and grabbed 7 boards and 7 assists every nite??

lebron is a great player no doubt about, lebron is beasting right now

[williams22]

they won't have the cap space to do it anyway, kobe's contract along with shaq's eats half of the lakers' payroll and they don't have any trade assets, no one would take them, even with shaq on board they couldn't win another one, malone will retire, so as fox, grant and russell, it's the right move at the time to trade shaq while he still has value, to get them some players in return, if he has a huge part about it so what? the laker's chose to side with him and that's their decision, they know much better than you do, they're not working in the NBA FO for no reason, at least they got 1 ring and counting after a few years of mediocrity, they built themselves for the future, if they stucked with shaq back then they wouldn't be able to build the team they have now

Wait a second, putting together a starting lineup with Derek Fisher at PG is "building for the future"? Man get outta here.

Make all the excuses you want, there was no reason to trade Shaq if Kobe could have sucked up his pride and just gotten along. Instead, his selfishness cost the team championships, typical Kobe.

[MJFtheGenius]

Im talkin bout mental toughness, the wil to be the best and the wil to win. The wil to be a leader. I recognize Lebron is a great talent but has not won a championship yet. Kobe reminds you of Michael the way he carrys himself on the court. You don't get that same vibe with Lebron yet. You 2 clowns sound like you never played a sport in your life. YOU JUST DONT GET IT!

[kobefanatic]

Wait a second, putting together a starting lineup with Derek Fisher at PG is "building for the future"? Man get outta here.

Make all the excuses you want, there was no reason to trade Shaq if Kobe could have sucked up his pride and just gotten along. Instead, his selfishness cost the team championships, typical Kobe.

they got bynum, odom and gasol what do you think about it? fisher is the only one who's old there 35 maybe, but that's the only one, look at their other 5 players, kobe 32, gasol 30 , odom 30, artest 30, bynum 23 if that isn't built for another few years of title runs don't know what you can call it? fisher is old so what lakers suck at PG anyways

[kobefanatic]

why does kobe have to be the one who should suck up his pride? doesn't shaq need to do the same? maybe you are just insecured about kobe getting to the NBA finals for the past 2 years unlike your boy lebron who got in only once

[williams22]

why does kobe have to be the one who should suck up his pride? doesn't shaq need to do the same? maybe you are just insecured about kobe getting to the NBA finals for the past 2 years unlike your boy lebron who got in only once

No way, I enjoyed watching Kobe fall apart two years ago.

Shaq didn't demand to be traded and didn't demand that Kobe be traded either. They didn't love each other, but they could have gotten along. Why are you defending his clearly selfish actions?

Anyways, Lebron owns Kobe this year and will for every year in the future. The Lakers cannot beat the Cavs in 7 games.

[kobefanatic]

No way, I enjoyed watching Kobe fall apart two years ago.

Shaq didn't demand to be traded and didn't demand that Kobe be traded either. They didn't love each other, but they could have gotten along. Why are you defending his clearly selfish actions?

Anyways, Lebron owns Kobe this year and will for every year in the future. The Lakers cannot beat the Cavs in 7 games.

ok let's wait and see if they meet in the NBA finals if the cavs can get past orlando that is

[williams22]

Im talkin bout mental toughness, the wil to be the best and the wil to win. The wil to be a leader. I recognize Lebron is a great talent but has not won a championship yet. Kobe reminds you of Michael the way he carrys himself on the court. You don't get that same vibe with Lebron yet. You 2 clowns sound like you never played a sport in your life. YOU JUST DONT GET IT!

You really question Lebron's will (I'll use 2 L's if you don't mind) to win? Go check out his 48-point performance against Detroit in the playoffs where he had to be carried off the court after scoring 29 of his team's final 30 points. Check out his playoff numbers. The guy steps up his game BIG TIME come the postseason. He just hasn't had an even mediocre supporting cast until this year.

Again I ask, where was Kobe's will to win from '05-'08? How do you justify his selfish actions in game 7 against the Suns that cost them the series?

[williams22]

ok let's wait and see if they meet in the NBA finals if the cavs can get past orlando that is

Orlando will be a MUCH harder challenge for the Cavs than the Lakers will be. The Lakers are SOFT and will get destroyed by the Cavs. Of course, the Lakers have to reach the finals first

[Goat Milk]

Im talkin bout mental toughness, the wil to be the best and the wil to win. The wil to be a leader. I recognize Lebron is a great talent but has not won a championship yet. Kobe reminds you of Michael the way he carrys himself on the court. You don't get that same vibe with Lebron yet. You 2 clowns sound like you never played a sport in your life. YOU JUST DONT GET IT!

Exactly bro. You remember the way Jordan used to do his interviews after/during games. Kobe is EXACTLY the same. Uninhibited by emotion. Complete focus. NEVER will give away any signal of weakness, even if they are down 20 at half. He will never continually speak highly about another player, will just make a quick blunt comment like "yeah, he's a solid player, and a cerebral player." He'll never say something to make himself seem passive or indecisive.

It's not that he believes he's the best player, he has the attitude that he knows he the best player. Simply, Kobe is the ultimate competitor. The ultimate winner in today's league. And that ability to be unhindered by emotion, you see it completely with Jordan, 100% with Kobe, sometimes with Wade, but that's something Lebron has yet to master.

[williams22]

Exactly bro. You remember the way Jordan used to do his interviews after/during games. Kobe is EXACTLY the same. Uninhibited by emotion. Complete focus. NEVER will give away any signal of weakness, even if they are down 20 at half. He will never continually speak highly about another player, will just make a quick blunt comment like "yeah, he's a solid player, and a cerebral player." He'll never say something to make himself seem passive or indecisive.

It's not that he believes he's the best player, he has the attitude that he knows he the best player. Simply, Kobe is the ultimate competitor. The ultimate winner in today's league. And that ability to be unhindered by emotion, you see it completely with Jordan, 100% with Kobe, sometimes with Wade, but that's something Lebron has yet to master.

I love that Lebron isn't considered the "ultimate competitor" because he's not a prick. It's possible to win AND be likable. Although not for Kobe.

[lyon804]

ATTN> Kobefanactic and Williams22!!!!

I must admit I am thouroughly entertained reading all from both of you two's constanst bullshit about 2 entertainers that could give a rats ass about either of you two. Why must we defend Kobe's and Lebron's honor? There fukking basketball players. Nothing more nothing less. Without basketball the 2 would be lucky to be holding down a job working a footlocker selling airjordan's.

Let it go gentleman.

Remember,you can't convince anbody of anything against there will so you 2 are just wasting one anothers time.

However, I must admit it was entertaining.

[jsmithj88]

ok let's wait and see if they meet in the NBA finals if the cavs can get past orlando that is

haha, thats the only thing u said that made any sense so far
orlando is better then the cavs, dont be surprised if they beat them again

[kobefanatic]

Orlando will be a MUCH harder challenge for the Cavs than the Lakers will be. The Lakers are SOFT and will get destroyed by the Cavs. Of course, the Lakers have to reach the finals first

i don't think anyone in the west outside of fuking portland can beat the lakers in a series, don't know why lakers seem to have a hard time matching up with portland for the past few years, let's wait for it to happen if they meet in the finals let's see if the lakers are really soft

[kobefanatic]

ATTN> Kobefanactic and Williams22!!!!

I must admit I am thouroughly entertained reading all from both of you two's constanst bullshit about 2 entertainers that could give a rats ass about either of you two. Why must we defend Kobe's and Lebron's honor? There fukking basketball players. Nothing more nothing less. Without basketball the 2 would be lucky to be holding down a job working a footlocker selling airjordan's.

Let it go gentleman.

Remember,you can't convince anbody of anything against there will so you 2 are just wasting one anothers time.

However, I must admit it was entertaining.

, maybe williams should change his name to lebronfanatic

[Goat Milk]

Williams,

Suns game 7. WHo was Kobe going to dish the ball out to? Kwame Brown? Luke Walton? Lakers shouldn't even had made the playoffs that year...He averaged like 32 6 and 6 that series. Your going to blame him? Just shut up man.

You'd probably open your mouth and let lebron drop his sack in ur mouth if he told you to

[konck]

Simply put the guy is money King James

[williams22]

Williams,

Suns game 7. WHo was Kobe going to dish the ball out to? Kwame Brown? Luke Walton? Lakers shouldn't even had made the playoffs that year...He averaged like 32 6 and 6 that series. Your going to blame him? Just shut up man.

You'd probably open your mouth and let lebron drop his sack in ur mouth if he told you to

So you have no problem with Kobe tossing in the towel early and refusing to shoot in the second half? What kind of "ultimate competitor" does that?

[williams22]

ATTN> Kobefanactic and Williams22!!!!

I must admit I am thouroughly entertained reading all from both of you two's constanst bullshit about 2 entertainers that could give a rats ass about either of you two. Why must we defend Kobe's and Lebron's honor? There fukking basketball players. Nothing more nothing less. Without basketball the 2 would be lucky to be holding down a job working a footlocker selling airjordan's.

Let it go gentleman.

Remember,you can't convince anbody of anything against there will so you 2 are just wasting one anothers time.

However, I must admit it was entertaining.

Lyon I know, athletes only exist for you to bet on. To me, I actually like the game itself and enjoy discussing it. To each his own.

[MJFtheGenius]

ATTN> Kobefanactic and Williams22!!!!

I must admit I am thouroughly entertained reading all from both of you two's constanst bullshit about 2 entertainers that could give a rats ass about either of you two. Why must we defend Kobe's and Lebron's honor? There fukking basketball players. Nothing more nothing less. Without basketball the 2 would be lucky to be holding down a job working a footlocker selling airjordan's.

Let it go gentleman.

Remember,you can't convince anbody of anything against there will so you 2 are just wasting one anothers time.

However, I must admit it was entertaining.

what?

[Grind House]

Damn Lebron is clutch at the end of games.

[shoebox]

MJ would of made that three and the free throws. Plus he would be battling the flu and pumping his fists after taking the lead. MJ would of been up till 5 playing baccarat on 3 hours of sleep....

[jsmithj88]

dont think williams can argue this one.
lebron had plenty of chances.
but to his credit, lebron led them back

[williams22]

I didn't like the last shot, but everything else he did in that 4th quarter was amazing. There were about 4 or 5 drives that should have been and-1s as well.

[Intangible]

I didn't like the last shot, but everything else he did in that 4th quarter was amazing. There were about 4 or 5 drives that should have been and-1s as well.

He should've taken it to the rim on that last play, especially seeing how he hasn't shot well all game.

But it was a great 4th quarter performance either way.

[williams22]

He should've taken it to the rim on that last play, especially seeing how he hasn't shot well all game.

But it was a great 4th quarter performance either way.

I agree on both points. Either way, I'm just glad the Cavs fought back after a lifeless first 3 quarters. If Lebron comes with the energy he had in the 4th to the playoffs everyone should be scared.

[BernardMadoff]

Why he took that 3 when he only had one Boston defender standing under the basket is beyond me. That had drive, drive, drive, written all over it. Play for 2 and a half hours and just throw the game away, just doesnt make sense.

[HoulihansTX]

Lebron put on a performance in the 4th quarter that may have been one of the best this year.

Yes Lebron has moved into my pantheon of favorite players.

right next to Steve Jack, Steve Nash, Durantula, and D Wade

[williams22]

Yes Lebron has moved into my pantheon of favorite players.

right next to Steve Jack, Steve Nash, Durantula, and D Wade

He showed another gear in that 4th quarter that I think was even one notch higher than his 48-point game against Detroit in the playoffs two years back. Man, I just can't wait for playoff basketball.

[BernardMadoff]