I've made my last NBA bet.

[Jedi]

great point..by (TGoat) but if LB were so astute.. he would have had the UNDER.. 217..
(if Denver was supposed to blow them out by 14+pts....
then likely Hornets would not show up at all = UNDER)

but now i know why it incited so much finger-pointing.. many of the folks who laid $$$ on Denver.. did not personally cap the game, and the experience was totally out of their control..
even the information that went into their wagers..

better to cap one's own games.. capping is frustrating enough without adding more to it by operating completely blind

[TGoat]

As I said, I know Im now complaining about something I have no control over, which in itself is useless.... especially given if games truly are fixed, how in the hell are you ever gonna know? You win some and you loose some...

We've all heard of situations where mobsters got to some ball players and got them to shave points in a game. This usually happens when a team is a big favorite who figures to win easy, but not necessarily cover. Now the crooked players just make sure they win but not by enough points. It's also easier to sell.

"Look, you guys can make some extra cash and still win the game. All you gotta do is make sure you don't win by 25."

It would be pretty tough for the mobsters to go to the underdogs and tell them they'd better beat the spread or else. So most if not all of these point shaving scandals have been on big favorites.

What they could do I suppose, if they wanted to bet the favorite, is have the dogs make sure the favorite covers easily.

But if the fix was in for NO to cover against Denver, then that means Denver is going to throw the game. If that's the case then why not just lose the game outright and cash in on the +1125 money line? Doesn't that make the most sense if what you're looking to do is make a big score?

[Dexter]

Big time setup game: Bret Favre forced to throw Nfc championship game. Watch the damn tape if you don't believe me.

i dont believe you. that was classic brett favre if you've watched him over his career.

but maybe your right - perhaps the mafia threatned brett favre to throw the game or else he'd get whacked.

[lakerboy]

Guys be serious sports arent fixed. NBA has had no issues with refs going to jail or anything. NBA stars like Jordan or Barkley have never bet on anything. Gilbert arenas and that other clown teammate werent up in arms (literally ) over betting- no thats just a fairytale. This league doesnt have officials like Tony Brothers who has reffed 75 % of his games with the road teams covering (pure coincidence right i mean no one was questioning his calls in that recent magic/lakers game) or Dick Bavetta who refs almost 70 % of his games to go under the total. Meanwhile there are people being arrested all over europe for match fixing and huge money involved. Honestly i couldnt care less if games are fixed or not my goal as a gambler is to be on the right side of the fix. Im not naive we are talking about gambling its full of dirty people.Anyone heard of Shoeless Joe Jackson.Anyways just wanted to have my say in this thread .

[Jedi]

thank you for posting that LB, people at SBR hold you in the highest regard, and your opinion carries alot of weight, this should put to rest many of the 'fixers' takers...

i agree.. not fixed, just very well capped.. as annoying as it is.. hats off to Vegas

[Toronto Fc]

If you believe the Denver Nuggets fixed this game then you should be able to make a gold mine out of it, no? Basically everytime the Nuggets are double digit favs, you should play the other team to cover. Assuming it is a 50/50 proposition to begin with, you become a 55% winner with the Nuggets only fixing 10% of their games when they are double digit faves. Seems like a money maker to me.

[Toronto Fc]

And there is no doubt in my mind that some of these games are fixed. All the mob needs to do is get a few key players in comprimising positions and they have them on the hook for life. With the lifestyles many of these guys lead, that wouldn't be too tough.

I don't think the European comparison is entirely fair. They are far more dirty over there and there is far more that goes on. North American leagues at least try to educate their players and have security departments that try to fight this stuff. Europe doesn't even try. The book, The Fix by Declan Hill is a good read for anyone interested in the influence of organized crime on Soccer around the world.

[Dexter]

Guys be serious sports arent fixed. NBA has had no issues with refs going to jail or anything. NBA stars like Jordan or Barkley have never bet on anything. Gilbert arenas and that other clown teammate werent up in arms (literally ) over betting- no thats just a fairytale. This league doesnt have officials like Tony Brothers who has reffed 75 % of his games with the road teams covering (pure coincidence right i mean no one was questioning his calls in that recent magic/lakers game) or Dick Bavetta who refs almost 70 % of his games to go under the total. Meanwhile there are people being arrested all over europe for match fixing and huge money involved. Honestly i couldnt care less if games are fixed or not my goal as a gambler is to be on the right side of the fix. Im not naive we are talking about gambling its full of dirty people.Anyone heard of Shoeless Joe Jackson.Anyways just wanted to have my say in this thread .

the DENVER NUGGETS shaving points is the original topic.

no one is disputing that refs could fix games.

now we have to figure out who on the nuggets is the next barkley/jordan

i know you dont wanna be my cyberspace friend anymore lakerboy, but if you figure this out lemme know. i'll send ya some sbr pts

[Grandmaster B]

That Denver game was fixed. Period.

I didnt see the game but I havent made a bet on the NBA in like 2 months

it took me many years to see exactly what David Stern is controlling here

just a league full of thugs that really dont care about the game because they are hittin the club later that night to bang white hoez

just got to be on the right side of the fix is all...ill bet on horse racing before I bet on the thugs

[Grandmaster B]

again. It is ABSURD to think that games are fixed. They are capped insanely well, by very intelligent people that have been doing so for a very long time. That is the point. That is how they harvest all of our money.

If they were in fact fixed, it would require the absolute cohesion of dozens (minimum) of people.. people get drunk, they brag to their mistresses.. they blackmail one another.. there would be no way to keep a conspiracy like this hushed up..

it is merely the illusion of a pre-arranged event, like gambling itself.. the illusion of success, where largely the very opposite occurs...

there is no one on the Hornets side are making that observation

wow your brain size must be below the national average

[blueghost]

denver laid a huge egg had them for game and second half lost both never again 31 points in a half with those shooters gomme a break boooooo

[SolidDala]

Players cares about winning not the spread!! Winning by 3 or 30 points doesn't matter a win is a win. Only diff from 3 and 30 is that the player bring there A game more often and give 110% in the close games. Why wast a lot of energy when your up 25 points and have tougher games ahead. Thats why one should stay away from backing big favorites in the 2H...

Betting isn't just about numbers, equations and programming; its also about blood, sweat and tears. You can't just bring the math into the sport, you have to bring the sport into the math as well

[KiDBaZkiT]

Mods close this useless thread already.

[Grandmaster B]

[anjaru]

A lot of people keep saying "all they need to do is to get to a few key players to shave points." WRONG. Let's say Nene wasn't one of these KEY PLAYERS and decided to go on a rampage and score 15 points in the 4th quarter, then what? The other 4-6 guys that were in on it get whacked? Either they are ALL in on it, or NONE of them are.

[Jedi]

GrandMaster. Idiot. what you mean to specify is I.Q. (Intelligence Quotient) not brain size... the quantity of synapses, is more a determining factor of cognitive ability than brain size. Einstein donated his brain, specifically to dispell this notion (average size brain)... just as a child may be more intelligent than you are as an adult.

It is not a coincidence that the better cappers on this site, give no credibility to the 'Fixed Game' argument

[lyon804]

I just got back to the NBA forum and I must admit I am amused that this topic is still going strong.. Rather the game was fixed or not is obviously debatable, but the facts are... We will never know and what is done is done. Truly, the Nuggets only getting 31 2H points at home against a tired,poor defense already is very strange to say the least.. I didn't bet the game or watch the game, but knowing the mathup I would have to ask som questions as to what the fukk was going on here. Some of us will agree there is sometihng wrong here and some of us will chalk it up to a abormality.


I have a suggestion... 1) Let's just agree to disagree here on our stance and move forward. What is done is done. Some made money, some lost money,some didn't bet this game.

[lyon804]

Mods close this useless thread already.

I second that brother

[Lint Pockets]

hahahaha finally people are realizing what these sports games are, all a f***ing bag job.

[Naarmo]

I don't get how people can not believe that some games were/are/will be fixed.
It's not some conspiracy theory soccer,horse racing,cricket.basketball (NCAA and NBA),every freaking sport.
It happened before and is still going on,it has been done and proven in many european wealthy leagues,where players earn millions dollars every year.
Sure it's not happening every game but don't fool Yourself it's happening on daily bases.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Match_fixing its just a drop in the sea but You can see that not only poor students and people from
third world are fixing games.

[Toronto Fc]

A lot of people keep saying "all they need to do is to get to a few key players to shave points." WRONG. Let's say Nene wasn't one of these KEY PLAYERS and decided to go on a rampage and score 15 points in the 4th quarter, then what? The other 4-6 guys that were in on it get whacked? Either they are ALL in on it, or NONE of them are.

They could stop passing it to him, he can't score 15 points by himself. Even if these games are fixed, it doesn't mean they are going to work out 100% of the time. If you could hit 75% but getting to 2-3 players, you are laughing.

No one is going to get whacked. It is more the threat to expose them to the media, the law, or to otherwise harass their family. In this day and age I don't think the fixers want the press of the trouble a flat out murder would bring.

I'm not suggesting the Nuggets are fixers but if you don't believe there is fixing in North American sports you need to do some reading.

[Lint Pockets]

hey here is another nice example for all of you that don't think NBA is rigged, other day i bet Cleveland spread when they were AT HOME against the sh**ty Indiana Pacers who were going into their SECOND STRAIGHT GAME from the previous night. The original spread was -14 for the Cavs and i even BOUGHT 8 points off at bookmaker to make them -6.5 and what do you know they only win by 5 points after blowing a 16 point lead they had going into the last quarter..... if anyone tells me this sh** is not rigged then either your a sap or something is wrong with you.

[Dexter]

hey here is another nice example for all of you that don't think NBA is rigged, other day i bet Cleveland spread when they were AT HOME against the sh**ty Indiana Pacers who were going into their SECOND STRAIGHT GAME from the previous night. The original spread was -14 for the Cavs and i even BOUGHT 8 points off at bookmaker to make them -6.5 and what do you know they only win by 5 points after blowing a 16 point lead they had going into the last quarter..... if anyone tells me this sh** is not rigged then either your a sap or something is wrong with you.

so any time a big favorite blows a lead, the fix must be in?...

cmon man....

[Lint Pockets]

no but the point here is the big favorite was at home and rested. the visiting team just played the night before and had to fly to Cleveland for B2B games. also the big favorite had a 16 point lead against one of the worst NBA teams going into the 4th quarter and your telling me that they didn't let them come back into the game? if you think that then i can see why you keep betting sports.

[Dexter]

by the way, melo took a 3 that certainly wasnt a "brick" and rimmed out that would have made denver cover.

he hits that...denver wins by 16. teams have run the shot clock out before even when the game clock still had time. he didnt do that.

then new orleans dribbled the clock out when they could have went in for the cover for people who had new orleans +13...

[Lint Pockets]

by the way, melo took a 3 that certainly wasnt a "brick" and rimmed out that would have made denver cover.

he hits that...denver wins by 16. teams have run the shot clock out before even when the game clock still had time. he didnt do that.

then new orleans dribbled the clock out when they could have went in for the cover for people who had new orleans +13...

kind of an obvious view on this statement... both teams were in on the fix.

[Dexter]

no but the point here is the big favorite was at home and rested. the visiting team just played the night before and had to fly to Cleveland for B2B games. also the big favorite had a 16 point lead against one of the worst NBA teams going into the 4th quarter and your telling me that they didn't let them come back into the game? if you think that then i can see why you keep betting sports.

haha - keep crying about your loss. who buys 8 pts on an nba game?

instead of crying and blaming others when you lose, look in the mirror for capping the wrong side.

according to your mindset, "form" should always hold true and good teams should beat up on bad teams.

you clearly know nothing about the nba.....all teams make runs vs whoever they're playing.

[Dexter]

kind of an obvious view on this statement... both teams were in on the fix.

wow......you have the mentality of a complete degenerate gambler always looking to blame others.

quit this hobby now cause you're likely driving yourself nutz with these games.

[Dexter]

no but the point here is the big favorite was at home and rested. the visiting team just played the night before and had to fly to Cleveland for B2B games. also the big favorite had a 16 point lead against one of the worst NBA teams going into the 4th quarter and your telling me that they didn't let them come back into the game? if you think that then i can see why you keep betting sports.

by the way skippy.....this comment clarifies that you're a short term gambler likely looking for a quick hit.

im a long term gambler who wins some years and loses other years.....

you'll be off this forum and likely in GA within 3 months.

then you can sit in a circle with other degenerates crying about how you're square bets were fixed by pro athletes who shaved points.

[Lint Pockets]

your clearly a sap for thinking you know about the NBA. one NBA ref already got caught for blowing games how do you know other refs are not doing the same thing or better yet how do you know the NBA teams or NBA players are not doing the same thing?

[Lint Pockets]

keep your pathetic views and keep losing because i guarantee you have more loses than wins, and by more i mean probably about 75% loses to 25% wins lol

[Dexter]

your clearly a sap for thinking you know about the NBA. one NBA ref already got caught for blowing games how do you know other refs are not doing the same thing or better yet how do you know the NBA teams or NBA players are not doing the same thing?

i may not be sam rothstein but i know just as much about the nba as anyone here.

i never said refs couldnt fix games.

that could happen.

my stance is that NBA players are not fixing games. the risk outweighs the reward for them, and they are filthy rich to begin with.

i'll buy into the scorboard keeper letting the clock run if hes in on an under. i'll even buy that some refs are still crooked. not nba players.

[GroundnPound]

Guys one thing I want to add in Europe particularly everyone in Turkey knows that games are fixed at the end of the season. Any team that is mid table will sell games to relegation battlers. Only teams worth betting on are the top 3 or bottom 3 by the end of the season.

[Lint Pockets]

bottom line is that if the refs and the scoreboard keeper can fix games then so can the players. this will be my last reply to this thread believe what you want but when you keep losing most of the time and winning here and there like a dog getting a bone thrown to them here and there then don't cry about it.

[No coincidences]

i may not be sam rothstein but i know just as much about the nba as anyone here.

i never said refs couldnt fix games.

that could happen.

my stance is that NBA players are not fixing games. the risk outweighs the reward for them, and they are filthy rich to begin with.

i'll buy into the scorboard keeper letting the clock run if hes in on an under. i'll even buy that some refs are still crooked. not nba players.

I want this thread to just die now too, but DEX, it's not just about the money for these guys. It's the adrenaline rush, and/or the guys they're involved with on the streets. A lot of professional athletes are gambling addicts. It has nothing to do with them "needing" money.

I just can't believe how many of you are in denial about games being fixed by more than just refs and college kids. It's amazing how many of you take these outcomes at face value. I'm not saying every game is fixed -- far from it -- and again, I'm not a big conspiracy theorist. It's hard to deny certain facts about certain games, though, and yes, I've been on both the winning side and losing side of it. Last night's game in Denver forced me to write off the NBA altogether, though (at least for the immediate future).