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  • imotiv8
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 12-28-09
    • 891

    #1121
    The system still works, this is weed out time...lol. 1-7-5 filtered will definitely be positive by the end of the season
    Last edited by imotiv8; 01-12-14, 09:54 AM.
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    • bonhammer
      SBR Rookie
      • 05-27-13
      • 32

      #1122
      its a high variance system. two losses is over a 50 unit swing.
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      • Maxi_EV
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 05-11-10
        • 535

        #1123
        Bankroll management.
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        • Wallco99
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 01-01-11
          • 7261

          #1124
          Wallco NBA Chase 110
          2013-14 System to Date: 35-3 (fin. series)
          System profit/loss: -22.65 units (fin. series)
          Current open series: 1 (-3.41 units)

          (1/11/14):
          #36 Orlando (+12½) (D) - Loss
          #38 Milwaukee (+15) (B) - Loss
          #39 New Orleans (+8) (B) - Win


          v1 Plays
          (A) 23-16
          (B) 7-9

          (C) 2-6
          (D) 3-3
          Losses: NYK (-18.45 u), MIL (-20.76 u), ORL (-18.45 u)



          There are no system plays for (1/12/14):
          #38 Resumes (C) on 1/13/14



          We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the play. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a (-½) point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day if the lines do change. However, it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from the line in my post.
          System rules and backtest can be found in posts #44 & #45.
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          • kdavis
            SBR Sharp
            • 02-01-09
            • 365

            #1125
            Originally posted by jcygts6
            yeah seriously... these systems just stopped working. bet the books have adjusted the lines to these systems.
            The system hasn't stopped working because the books have adjusted the lines. The system has become less efficient because the players in this league are becoming lazy'er and lazy'er each year. The money is so big that they decide when and where they want to play. You can't handicap a game when you have to factor in laziness. The days of MJ, Larry Bird, Julius Irving,Magic Johnson and others are long gone. These guy's wanted to win every game. Today's so called stars just try to win when they feel like it. The problem is that we don't know when they FEEL like it.
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            • dlunc3
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 10-31-09
              • 9129

              #1126
              Wallco, in your back testing, did a team that lost a 4 game chase (Orlando for example) ever then proceed to lose the next 4 as well? What I'm wondering is.. Based on the current losing streak of Orlando, would chasing their next 4 games have a 100% win rate over the last 10 years (or however long you have been tracking)?
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              • Grinder12000
                SBR MVP
                • 04-21-11
                • 1809

                #1127
                Looking back to 1990 most teams have lost 8 in a row about 8 to 12 times. It's not unheard of.

                i disagree with the laziness factor. That's just silly. Players a re smarter now and know that it's a LONG year. What some people call lazy other call pacing themselves.
                Last edited by Grinder12000; 01-12-14, 08:09 PM.
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                • PanamaKid
                  SBR Hustler
                  • 12-29-10
                  • 95

                  #1128
                  Originally posted by Grinder12000
                  Looking back to 1990 most teams have lost 8 in a row about 8 to 12 times. It's not unheard of.
                  True, but the question isn't just "Did they lose?" It's "Did they lose against the spread 8 times in a row?" That's not quite as easy to do.
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                  • Wallco99
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 01-01-11
                    • 7261

                    #1129
                    Originally posted by PanamaKid
                    True, but the question isn't just "Did they lose?" It's "Did they lose against the spread 8 times in a row?" That's not quite as easy to do.
                    Actually, it would be 11 times in a row since they have to lose to the spread three times before the initial chase even begins. That is even harder yet.
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                    • Kev the Brit
                      SBR MVP
                      • 10-25-09
                      • 2027

                      #1130
                      Originally posted by dlunc3
                      Wallco, in your back testing, did a team that lost a 4 game chase (Orlando for example) ever then proceed to lose the next 4 as well? What I'm wondering is.. Based on the current losing streak of Orlando, would chasing their next 4 games have a 100% win rate over the last 10 years (or however long you have been tracking)?
                      Very good question. Wallco?
                      Last edited by Kev the Brit; 01-13-14, 03:31 AM.
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                      • Kev the Brit
                        SBR MVP
                        • 10-25-09
                        • 2027

                        #1131
                        Originally posted by Wallco99
                        Actually, it would be 11 times in a row since they have to lose to the spread three times before the initial chase even begins. That is even harder yet.
                        It hasn't happened yet, but it would be useful if your back tests could be checked, if you have time that is.

                        I'm going to play Orlando in their chase #2. Its worked so far, but I would like to increase the risk if the back tests show no back to back failures.
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                        • Kev the Brit
                          SBR MVP
                          • 10-25-09
                          • 2027

                          #1132
                          Morrison 1/12 Results & 1/13 Plays

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                          Last edited by Kev the Brit; 01-13-14, 12:18 PM.
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                          • play4win
                            SBR MVP
                            • 06-23-11
                            • 2208

                            #1133
                            Originally posted by Wallco99
                            Wallco NBA Chase 110
                            2013-14 System to Date: 35-3 (fin. series)
                            System profit/loss: -22.65 units (fin. series)
                            Current open series: 1 (-3.41 units)

                            (1/11/14):
                            #36 Orlando (+12½) (D) - Loss
                            #38 Milwaukee (+15) (B) - Loss
                            #39 New Orleans (+8) (B) - Win


                            v1 Plays
                            (A) 23-16
                            (B) 7-9

                            (C) 2-6
                            (D) 3-3
                            Losses: NYK (-18.45 u), MIL (-20.76 u), ORL (-18.45 u)



                            There are no system plays for (1/12/14):
                            #38 Resumes (C) on 1/13/14



                            We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the play. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a (-½) point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day if the lines do change. However, it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from the line in my post.
                            System rules and backtest can be found in posts #44 & #45.
                            what about phillie A bet?
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                            • Wallco99
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 01-01-11
                              • 7261

                              #1134
                              Wallco NBA Chase 110
                              2013-14 System to Date: 35-3 (fin. series)
                              System profit/loss: -22.65 units (fin. series)
                              Current open series: 1 (-3.41 units)


                              v1 Plays
                              (A) 23-16
                              (B) 7-9

                              (C) 2-6
                              (D) 3-3
                              Losses: NYK (-18.45 u), MIL (-20.76 u), ORL (-18.45 u)



                              Games for (1/13/14):
                              #38 Milwaukee (+11½) @ Toronto (C) (7:05 pm EST)
                              #40 Orlando (+12) @ Dallas (A) (8:35 pm EST)



                              We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the play. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a (-½) point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day if the lines do change. However, it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from the line in my post.
                              System rules and backtest can be found in posts #44 & #45.

                              Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses.
                              Last edited by Wallco99; 01-13-14, 11:59 PM.
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                              • Wallco99
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 01-01-11
                                • 7261

                                #1135
                                Originally posted by play4win
                                what about phillie A bet?
                                We'll start that on 1/15, be glad we missed it.
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                                • dlunc3
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 10-31-09
                                  • 9129

                                  #1136
                                  Originally posted by dlunc3
                                  Wallco, in your back testing, did a team that lost a 4 game chase (Orlando for example) ever then proceed to lose the next 4 as well? What I'm wondering is.. Based on the current losing streak of Orlando, would chasing their next 4 games have a 100% win rate over the last 10 years (or however long you have been tracking)?
                                  Any idea on this Wallco? Thinking about upping the bet significantly on this series starting tonight
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                                  • hagball52
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 09-22-10
                                    • 3053

                                    #1137
                                    Originally posted by dlunc3
                                    Any idea on this Wallco? Thinking about upping the bet significantly on this series starting tonight
                                    I asked that same question awhile back and I think Wallco said he would check. I know he's been busy but personally I have upped the ante on repeat series the past two years and it's never gone past a second (B) bet except for Charlotte either last season or the one before. But I always cashed.
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                                    • Wallco99
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 01-01-11
                                      • 7261

                                      #1138
                                      Originally posted by dlunc3
                                      Any idea on this Wallco? Thinking about upping the bet significantly on this series starting tonight
                                      I am pretty sure it didn't, but I definitely have to double check that one. Is there some kind of search we can do to find 11 game losing streaks ATS. Then if there are some, double check those to make sure none of the 11 games would have been M/L wins when team was favored, provided that did not occur in games 1-3, which would have to be S/U as well as M/L losses to even qualify. I have been writing a spreadsheet to test 15 different scenarios at once for Chase 110. When this is complete, that info should be easy to comb through. But now, I am just guessing.
                                      Last edited by Wallco99; 01-13-14, 05:33 PM.
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                                      • play4win
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 06-23-11
                                        • 2208

                                        #1139
                                        this is just pathetic!
                                        is it time to fade? any of these systems
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                                        • Grinder12000
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 04-21-11
                                          • 1809

                                          #1140
                                          Originally posted by PanamaKid
                                          True, but the question isn't just "Did they lose?" It's "Did they lose against the spread 8 times in a row?" That's not quite as easy to do.
                                          Yes - I was talking about ATS. Sorry - WINNING games I never look at - I can't even tell you who is in who the good teams are. Unless it's ATS! LOL
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                                          • jcygts6
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 04-05-09
                                            • 3316

                                            #1141
                                            very good point KDavis!

                                            Baalllinnnnnnn...
                                            DO WORK + KROW OD
                                            do work! do work! do work! do work!
                                            od krow! od krow! od krow! od krow!
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                                            • KennyM10
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 02-14-10
                                              • 788

                                              #1142
                                              Originally posted by play4win
                                              this is just pathetic!
                                              is it time to fade? any of these systems
                                              Well you sure as hell should not be playing them with real money.
                                              Do you really think these guys are losing
                                              30 units at a time? Air betting
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                                              • Kev the Brit
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 10-25-09
                                                • 2027

                                                #1143
                                                Morrison 1/13 Results & 1/14 Plays

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                                                Last edited by Kev the Brit; 01-14-14, 01:38 PM.
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                                                • Wallco99
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 01-01-11
                                                  • 7261

                                                  #1144
                                                  Wallco NBA Chase 110
                                                  2013-14 System to Date: 35-3 (fin. series)
                                                  System profit/loss: -22.65 units (fin. series)
                                                  Current open series: 2 (-9.36 units)

                                                  (1/13/14):
                                                  #38 Milwaukee (+10½) (C) - Loss
                                                  #39 Orlando (+12½) (A) - Loss


                                                  v1 Plays
                                                  (A) 23-17
                                                  (B) 7-9

                                                  (C) 2-7
                                                  (D) 3-3
                                                  Losses: NYK (-18.45 u), MIL (-20.76 u), ORL (-18.45 u)



                                                  Games for (1/14/14):
                                                  #38 Resumes (D) on 1/15/14
                                                  #40 Resumes (B) on 1/15/14
                                                  #41 Cleveland @ L.A. Lakers (+4) (A) (10:35 pm EST)

                                                  **Charlotte series has been temporarily suspended until conclusion of Orlando series (#40).



                                                  We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the play. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a (-½) point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day if the lines do change. However, it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from the line in my post.
                                                  System rules and backtest can be found in posts #44 & #45.

                                                  Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses.
                                                  Last edited by Wallco99; 01-14-14, 11:34 PM.
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                                                  • Andy3568
                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                    • 01-17-10
                                                    • 615

                                                    #1145
                                                    Wallco,

                                                    I know the Lakers lost the last three, but I believe they pushed ATS against Houston on 1/8. Do they still count as a play?
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                                                    • Kev the Brit
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 10-25-09
                                                      • 2027

                                                      #1146
                                                      Originally posted by Andy3568
                                                      Wallco,

                                                      I know the Lakers lost the last three, but I believe they pushed ATS against Houston on 1/8. Do they still count as a play?
                                                      Hi Andy,
                                                      Reading Wallco's rules at Post #45, I think we treat pushes as though they didn't happen. The Lakers have now lost 4 SU and 3 ATS with 1 push, so I think they qualify for the Chase...
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                                                      • Aram325302
                                                        SBR Rookie
                                                        • 02-18-10
                                                        • 43

                                                        #1147
                                                        @Jemstens people like you are scum of the earth. Do want us to honestly believe you know about fixed games. Why not become a millionair in Vegas and set off to the sunset? I know you want all of us to make money right
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                                                        • kdavis
                                                          SBR Sharp
                                                          • 02-01-09
                                                          • 365

                                                          #1148
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                                                          • Kev the Brit
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 10-25-09
                                                            • 2027

                                                            #1149
                                                            Originally posted by kdavis
                                                            Kev, Miami should be included in the 1/15 scheduled plays unless I missed something.
                                                            You missed nothing. I missed it. Fortunately, it has little effect today but., all the same, thank you very much. The post has now been edited.

                                                            Kev
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                                                            • Andy3568
                                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                                              • 01-17-10
                                                              • 615

                                                              #1150
                                                              You are correct, Kevin. I did read that, and when I did, I was thinking only in terms of games to bet on and not on qualifying games. Makes sense. Thanks.
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                                                              • Wallco99
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 01-01-11
                                                                • 7261

                                                                #1151
                                                                Originally posted by Kev the Brit
                                                                Hi Andy,
                                                                Reading Wallco's rules at Post #45, I think we treat pushes as though they didn't happen. The Lakers have now lost 4 SU and 3 ATS with 1 push, so I think they qualify for the Chase...
                                                                The above statement is CORRECT.
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                                                                • Wallco99
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 01-01-11
                                                                  • 7261

                                                                  #1152
                                                                  Wallco NBA Chase 110
                                                                  2013-14 System to Date: 36-3 (fin. series)
                                                                  System profit/loss: -21.65 units (fin. series)
                                                                  Current open series: 2 (-9.36 units)

                                                                  (1/14/14):
                                                                  #41 L.A. Lakers (+3½) (C) - Win



                                                                  v1 Plays
                                                                  (A) 24-17
                                                                  (B) 7-9

                                                                  (C) 2-7
                                                                  (D) 3-3
                                                                  Losses: NYK (-18.45 u), MIL (-20.76 u), ORL (-18.45 u)



                                                                  Games for (1/15/14):
                                                                  #38 Memphis @ Milwaukee (+6) (D) (8:05 pm EST)
                                                                  #40 Chicago @ Orlando (+5.5) (B) (7:05 pm EST)
                                                                  #42 Charlotte @ Philadelphia (M/L) (A) (7:05 pm EST)

                                                                  ** Denotes line not available at time of post.



                                                                  We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the play. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a (-½) point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day if the lines do change. However, it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from the line in my post.
                                                                  System rules and backtest can be found in posts #44 & #45.

                                                                  Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses.
                                                                  Last edited by Wallco99; 01-15-14, 06:05 PM.
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                                                                  • Kev the Brit
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 10-25-09
                                                                    • 2027

                                                                    #1153
                                                                    Morrison 1/14 Results & 1/15 Plays

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                                                                    Last edited by Kev the Brit; 01-16-14, 04:01 AM. Reason: Presentational
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                                                                    • imotiv8
                                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                                      • 12-28-09
                                                                      • 891

                                                                      #1154
                                                                      Talk about a huge day! Can't believe the lines on Orlando and Milwaukee. Orlando is without they're top scorer and rebounder…..and they're only getting 5.5???
                                                                      Last edited by imotiv8; 01-15-14, 01:16 PM.
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                                                                      • Andy3568
                                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                                        • 01-17-10
                                                                        • 615

                                                                        #1155
                                                                        WTF, Miami???
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