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  • thunderous
    SBR MVP
    • 06-05-12
    • 1870

    #36
    Nice hit yesterday!! BOL tonight...
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    • primetimej
      SBR High Roller
      • 11-23-12
      • 141

      #37
      1 Unit Play
      Jazz +9.5 - Lose -1.1 Units
      Cavs +8.5 - Win +1.0 Units
      Suns 3.5 - Win +1.0 Units

      3 Unit Play
      Hawks -3.5 - Win +3.0 Units

      1 Unit Plays - 5-1 +3.9 Units
      2 Unit Plays - 3-2 +1.5 Units
      3 Unit Plays - 3-1 +5.7 Units
      YTD - 11-4 +11.1 Units


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      • Riceboi
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 10-03-11
        • 857

        #38
        good stuff in here. Keep it going
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        • luciddream
          SBR Rookie
          • 12-22-12
          • 27

          #39
          Yeah, nice hit again! Keep it going man!
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          • ShotgunRua
            SBR Sharp
            • 09-12-12
            • 376

            #40
            Wow this is actually working, watching very closely.
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            • primetimej
              SBR High Roller
              • 11-23-12
              • 141

              #41
              No plays fall into the system today guys. I'll post back late on Christmas Eve with plays if there are any for Christmas day. Happy Holidays everyone!
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              • thunderous
                SBR MVP
                • 06-05-12
                • 1870

                #42
                Originally posted by primetimej
                No plays fall into the system today guys. I'll post back late on Christmas Eve with plays if there are any for Christmas day. Happy Holidays everyone!
                I am surprised that there are no games that fall in the system. Happy Holidays to you too!
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                • primetimej
                  SBR High Roller
                  • 11-23-12
                  • 141

                  #43
                  Two plays for tomorrow

                  1 Unit
                  Bulls -4.5
                  Rockets 3-0 ATS in last 3
                  Bulls 0-1 ATS in last 1

                  2 Units
                  Thunder +2.5
                  Thunder 0-1 ATS in last 1
                  Heat 4-0 ATS in last 4
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                  • gojetsgomoxies
                    SBR MVP
                    • 09-04-12
                    • 4222

                    #44
                    love this thread. i really like objective systems. i was thinking play hot vs cold but i'm open to either
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                    • gojetsgomoxies
                      SBR MVP
                      • 09-04-12
                      • 4222

                      #45
                      hey, i'd be happy to help backtest this. the one team angle would probably be pretty easy to backtest (time consuming of course and requires alot of dilligence). the 2 team system (which is probably where more of the value is generated) seems like it's going to be a giant pain for some to do. have to print out each team's ATS log from last year (avail from teamrankings.com and i'm sure lots of other places) and then match the games without double-counting.

                      anyway, i'd be happy to do say 20% of the teams for the past few years. if we can get 5 people it would be good.
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                      • primetimej
                        SBR High Roller
                        • 11-23-12
                        • 141

                        #46
                        Sounds great moxies. If we get 3 more ill be happy to assist with the back testing. Merry Christmas!
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                        • degengamble
                          SBR Rookie
                          • 12-03-12
                          • 39

                          #47
                          I like the system and the concept, and the results so far are promising - but needed to see if this was just luck in the short-run or if there is a solid angle here. Now the only way to do this is with backtesting - unfortunately I suck at it. I am great at getting the data into a spreadsheet via excel using VBA / Macros - but terrible at figuring out filters.

                          SO - I'm hoping you guys will help me out. I attached a spreadsheet that has Covers ATS results for every team from 2007 to 2012.

                          The "Backtest" tab has the backtest results. I segemented by SEASON and UNITS W/L. The results do not look good. Unless I did something wrong - it looks like in the last 5 years only 2 winning seasons and 2007-08 only by 1 unit. 2011-2012 was worse than all of them - but I think that is because of the compressed season. Over 5 years - 628-699 for -89 units


                          The "Backtest by Team" tab has WINS / LOSSES for a TEAM playing another TEAM. I was hoping to find specific teams to not play or teams to avoid playing against. Here are all the teams that yielded positive units if you played on them and teams that yielded positive results if you avoided playing against them

                          Teams to play (BET ON)
                          Bulls
                          Clippers
                          Hawks
                          Jazz
                          Knicks
                          Nuggets
                          Suns
                          Thunder
                          Warriors

                          Teams to Avoid playing against (FADE)
                          Bobcats
                          Bulls
                          Cavs
                          Celtics
                          Clippers
                          Kings
                          Knicks
                          Lakers
                          Nets
                          Thunder


                          The "Covers Data" tab has the raw data from covers. LG1 stands for last game, so have the last 10 games of the team and their opponent to figure out the streak.

                          SO I was hoping you guys could help me figure out what filters may help this system - any ideas?

                          DegenGamble


                          EDIT: Had to break it out into 2 files - the excel file has the backtest results and the zip file has the raw Covers Data
                          Attached Files
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                          • degengamble
                            SBR Rookie
                            • 12-03-12
                            • 39

                            #48
                            Originally posted by primetimej
                            Sounds great moxies. If we get 3 more ill be happy to assist with the back testing. Merry Christmas!


                            Originally posted by gojetsgomoxies
                            hey, i'd be happy to help backtest this. the one team angle would probably be pretty easy to backtest (time consuming of course and requires alot of dilligence). the 2 team system (which is probably where more of the value is generated) seems like it's going to be a giant pain for some to do. have to print out each team's ATS log from last year (avail from teamrankings.com and i'm sure lots of other places) and then match the games without double-counting.

                            anyway, i'd be happy to do say 20% of the teams for the past few years. if we can get 5 people it would be good.

                            Hey guys - sorry - I posted without reading your posts. Actually getting that data did not take me that long at all - just a few hours to write the macro to pull it and format it, and write the formulas to figure out the plays and streaks.

                            I could really use your help figuring out filters though.

                            Some additional thoughts along with my other post:

                            1) Maybe come up with a list of teams to play / avoid (I did this quickly on my spreadsheet - but we should take a harder look)
                            2) Maybe look at teams that have performed well ATS THIS season - look at home / road ATS spilts as well. The idea would be if they have been performing well ATS for the season, home, road, L10, etc - it would be a play OR if avoid that team if playing against them.

                            Well - I look forward to your thoughts.

                            DG
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                            • ShotgunRua
                              SBR Sharp
                              • 09-12-12
                              • 376

                              #49
                              Your effort is appreciated guys, very interested to see the results of back testing.
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                              • luciddream
                                SBR Rookie
                                • 12-22-12
                                • 27

                                #50
                                No picks for today?
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                                • Zmoney
                                  SBR Sharp
                                  • 03-03-09
                                  • 284

                                  #51
                                  Originally posted by primetimej
                                  Great night last night. I certainly don't have expectations like this, though these numbers have been over 70% since 12/1, so we'll see how this continues to progress.

                                  Tonight here's the plays

                                  1 Unit Play
                                  Jazz +9.5
                                  Jazz 0-1 ATS in last game
                                  Heat 3-0 ATS in last 3
                                  Cavs +8.5 (Buy half)
                                  Cavs 0-3 ATS in last 3
                                  Bucks 1-0 ATS in last game
                                  Suns +3.5 (Buy half)
                                  Suns 0-4 ATS in last 4.

                                  3 Unit Play
                                  Hawks -3.5
                                  Bulls 2-0 ATS in last 2
                                  Hawks 0-4 ATS in last 4.

                                  BOL to all tonight.


                                  Suns here were not 0-4 on their last 4ATS. I remember playing them this night bc they were hot and won 4 in a row ats...got a lucky half point cover lol. Although I like what u got here, I usually tend to follow the streaks n have found it to work sometimes as well. I'll keep following this thread to see how it does

                                  gl man
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                                  • EasyHustlin
                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                    • 07-15-10
                                    • 633

                                    #52
                                    I can run a detailed backtest, once I get access to a computer
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                                    • primetimej
                                      SBR High Roller
                                      • 11-23-12
                                      • 141

                                      #53
                                      Hey Guys sorry been so busy with Christmas stuff. Thanks for all the support and help. Hopefully I'll have time a bit later to check the sheets and post the plays.

                                      1 Unit Play
                                      Bulls -4.5 - Lose -1.1 Units

                                      2 Unit Play
                                      Thunder +2.5 - Lose -2.2 Units

                                      YTD - 11-6 +7.8 Units
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                                      • degengamble
                                        SBR Rookie
                                        • 12-03-12
                                        • 39

                                        #54
                                        Originally posted by primetimej
                                        Hey Guys sorry been so busy with Christmas stuff. Thanks for all the support and help. Hopefully I'll have time a bit later to check the sheets and post the plays.

                                        1 Unit Play
                                        Bulls -4.5 - Lose -1.1 Units

                                        2 Unit Play
                                        Thunder +2.5 - Lose -2.2 Units

                                        YTD - 11-6 +7.8 Units
                                        I'm pretty sure those are yesterday's plays (12/25)

                                        This is what I have for today (12/26). Now I could be worng here - but according to the system rules this is what I think are the plays - but primetime needs to confirm.


                                        1 Unit Play
                                        MEM-10
                                        MEM 0-2 ATS
                                        PHI 0-2 ATS


                                        2 Unit Play
                                        CHI+3
                                        CHI 0-2 ATS
                                        IND 3-0 ATS

                                        BRK+2.5
                                        BRK 0-4 ATS
                                        MIL 1-0 ATS

                                        POR-5.5
                                        POR 0-2 ATS
                                        SAC 3-0 ATS


                                        3 Unit Play

                                        CHA+11.5
                                        CHA 0-3 ATS
                                        MIA 5-0 ATS



                                        Personally, I look at these plays against my other models and systems i'm using this season - and the only plays I may be on would be MEM, POR & BRK
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                                        • k4cowboys4k
                                          SBR High Roller
                                          • 05-31-12
                                          • 200

                                          #55
                                          Did we give up on this?
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                                          • gojetsgomoxies
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 09-04-12
                                            • 4222

                                            #56
                                            not sure if i posted this already a second ago.

                                            anyway, love the thread. let's keep it going.

                                            on dec 26, why was memphis a play when the write-up shows memphis and philadelphia both being 0-2? maybe i don't understand entire system. i thought philly would have to be 2-0 for memphis to be a play.

                                            thanks again!!
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                                            • gojetsgomoxies
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 09-04-12
                                              • 4222

                                              #57
                                              Originally posted by degengamble
                                              I'm pretty sure those are yesterday's plays (12/25)

                                              This is what I have for today (12/26). Now I could be worng here - but according to the system rules this is what I think are the plays - but primetime needs to confirm.


                                              1 Unit Play
                                              MEM-10
                                              MEM 0-2 ATS
                                              PHI 0-2 ATS


                                              2 Unit Play
                                              CHI+3
                                              CHI 0-2 ATS
                                              IND 3-0 ATS

                                              BRK+2.5
                                              BRK 0-4 ATS
                                              MIL 1-0 ATS

                                              POR-5.5
                                              POR 0-2 ATS
                                              SAC 3-0 ATS


                                              3 Unit Play

                                              CHA+11.5
                                              CHA 0-3 ATS
                                              MIA 5-0 ATS



                                              Personally, I look at these plays against my other models and systems i'm using this season - and the only plays I may be on would be MEM, POR & BRK
                                              bearing in mind i'm not the keeper of this thread. i see cha +3 units, memphis -1 unit (still don't understand why it's a play), portland +2 units, brooklyn -2 units and chicago (postponed)..... so that's net +2 units before just. and 2-2 added to win-loss record.

                                              i'm going to check that memphis game and also check last nights 2 games. also look at tonight.
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                                              • gojetsgomoxies
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 09-04-12
                                                • 4222

                                                #58
                                                i see dec 27 games (dal at okc.... bos at lac) as no play....

                                                so mem was 0-2. phil was 2-0 so memphis was a play (LOSS) and just a typo i presume by op in describing it. and i already included it as loss in my earlier comment.
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                                                • gojetsgomoxies
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 09-04-12
                                                  • 4222

                                                  #59
                                                  ok. so for dec 28. and not sure i totally understand system. i see what i think is one clear game and the rest muddled.

                                                  lac 3-0 @ utah 0-1 = utah play

                                                  miami 6-0 @ det 1-0 = det play?

                                                  cha 0-4 @ brooklyn 0-5 no idea?

                                                  houston 5-0 @ sas 3-0 = sas play? EDIT: SAS is 2-0

                                                  phoenix (push latest) @ indiana 3-0 = no play?

                                                  nyk 3 ats wins then push @ sac 0-1 = no play? (depends on service i guess as does game above)

                                                  and that's all i see. i see a few more games where both teams have 2 to 3 games streaks going but in the same direction. i think those are no plays.

                                                  so utah for sure. miami (ooops should be detroit) and then stumped on at least a couple of others. weird so many teams are in same direction (i think i used ATS results, not win/loss)
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                                                  • gojetsgomoxies
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 09-04-12
                                                    • 4222

                                                    #60
                                                    so utah, detroit, sas are plays. and maybe charlotte (have to ask OP)
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                                                    • gojetsgomoxies
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 09-04-12
                                                      • 4222

                                                      #61
                                                      looking good so far, although miami had jumped out to big lead. huge swing there.
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                                                      • gojetsgomoxies
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 09-04-12
                                                        • 4222

                                                        #62
                                                        so 2-0 so far. looking good for 3-0

                                                        and then have to hear from OP on charlotte vs. brooklyn shyttfest (my thought was for it to be no play as both teams were qualified AVOIDS themselves and brooklyn just had a coaching change)
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                                                        • FilL IVY League
                                                          SBR High Roller
                                                          • 10-27-12
                                                          • 180

                                                          #63
                                                          thumbs up

                                                          great job fellas, i always like to fade the public perception, had the jazz big just because of the clippers being a hot team and spread being just a bucket when they are on a 16 game winning streak and by far the best team in the NBA right now, it made me scratch my head and think hum, this has to be a trap, jazz point guard was out and still they got inside the number. , i also had G state, pistons and N. Dakota cause RAS had that play. Definetly this is a great thread, i will try my best and chip in, BOL in the future fellas
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                                                          • gojetsgomoxies
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 09-04-12
                                                            • 4222

                                                            #64
                                                            ooops SAS wasn't a win but utah and detroit were. not sure of the units. will check later.

                                                            and still need clarification on brooklyn 0-5 vs. charlotte 0-4. my thought before the game was no play but it would be a 2 unit play if it counts as brooklyn is the pick.

                                                            tonight we have:

                                                            orlando 1 unit vs. toronto
                                                            charlotte 2 units vs. NOH
                                                            memphis 2 units vs. denver
                                                            okc 3 units vs. houston (would be 6 units if the system went that far)

                                                            all of them at the closing line tonight for book-keeping purposes.
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                                                            • gojetsgomoxies
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 09-04-12
                                                              • 4222

                                                              #65
                                                              orlando 1 unit LOSS
                                                              charlotte 2 unit PUSH

                                                              OKC looking really good. memphis looking ok.
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                                                              • gojetsgomoxies
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 09-04-12
                                                                • 4222

                                                                #66
                                                                memphis WIN 2 units
                                                                okc WIN 3 units
                                                                charlotte WIN 2 units (i'm going to use pinnacle closing which shows +3.5)
                                                                orlando LOSS 1 unit

                                                                another nice day!! thank you OP for this system!!
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                                                                • gojetsgomoxies
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 09-04-12
                                                                  • 4222

                                                                  #67
                                                                  took a quick peek at sunday's games. only 4 games total.

                                                                  all i see is pistons 4-0 vs. bucks 2-0 (assumes cover tonight). so i think bucks would be 1 unit play on sunday.

                                                                  other than that nothing (and i've looked at how tonight's games would affect things. don't think there are any other possible plays. all the other teams are 0-1 or 1-0
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                                                                  • primetimej
                                                                    SBR High Roller
                                                                    • 11-23-12
                                                                    • 141

                                                                    #68
                                                                    Hey guys, sorry just been tied down a bit with family and friends for Chirstmas. I'll be back posting and updating as usual. Thanks much moxy for keeping up with the plays and I'll update the records in my next post and post the plays for tomorrow thanks again!
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                                                                    • primetimej
                                                                      SBR High Roller
                                                                      • 11-23-12
                                                                      • 141

                                                                      #69
                                                                      Here's an update for all the games that were missed. Again big thanks to moxies for all the assistance!




                                                                      12/26


                                                                      1 Unit Plays
                                                                      Grizzlies - No play
                                                                      Grizzlies 1-1 ATS last 2. Opening line vs Dallas was -10.5)
                                                                      76ers - 2-0 ATS last 2.


                                                                      Bulls - PPD
                                                                      Nets +2.5 - Lose -2.20 Units
                                                                      Blazers - 5.5 Win +2.00 Units


                                                                      3 Units Plays
                                                                      Bobcats +11.5 - Lose -3.30 Units


                                                                      For the day - 1-2 -3.30 Units
                                                                      1 Unit Plays 5-2 +2.8 Units
                                                                      2 Unit Plays 4-4 -.9 Units
                                                                      3 Unit Plays 3-2 +2.4 Units
                                                                      YTD - 12-8 +4.3 Units


                                                                      12/27 No plays


                                                                      12/28


                                                                      1 Unit Plays
                                                                      Utah +3.5 - Win +1.00 Units


                                                                      Two Unit Plays
                                                                      Spurs -8.5 Lose -2.20 Units
                                                                      3 Units Plays
                                                                      Detroit +6.5 - Win +3.00 Units


                                                                      Brooklyn -9.5 - No play (both teams falls into fade spots in this system making no team eligible).
                                                                      Suns vs. Pacers - No play (I give the half point to the dog in th event of a push, so Suns in last game before this one won ATS vs knicks).


                                                                      For the day
                                                                      2-1 +1.8 Units
                                                                      1 Unit Plays 6-2 +3.8 Units
                                                                      2 Unit Plays 4-5 -3.1 Units
                                                                      3 Unit Plays 4-2 +5.4 Units
                                                                      YTD - 14-8 +6.1 Units


                                                                      12/29
                                                                      One Unit Plays
                                                                      Magic -3.5 Lose -1.10 Units


                                                                      Two Unit Plays
                                                                      Grizzlies -5.5 Win +2.00
                                                                      Bobcats +3.5 Win +2.00 Units


                                                                      Three Unit Plays
                                                                      Thunder - +4.5 - Win +3.00 Units


                                                                      For the day - 3-1 +5.9 Units
                                                                      1 Unit Plays 6-3 +2.7 Units
                                                                      2 Unit Plays 6-5 +.9 Units
                                                                      3 Unit Plays 5-2 +8.4 Units
                                                                      YTD - 17-9 +12.0 Units
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                                                                      • primetimej
                                                                        SBR High Roller
                                                                        • 11-23-12
                                                                        • 141

                                                                        #70
                                                                        12/30
                                                                        One Unit Play
                                                                        Bucks +3.5
                                                                        Pistons 4-0 ATS in last 4.
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