Meant no harm..just a question. I am just curious why many times people that have a paid service such as yours that people do not use their real name. I guess my question should have been " on your pay site why do you not use your real name". Just a question is all. Not saying it is good or bad, I am just trying to understand why is all.
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thanks for answering all our questions .. system seems to be working .. let's hope it continues to work :-)Comment -
20 - 10 - 1 +20 Units
**This line has reached +9.5 on The Greek I'm buying 1.5 and Locking it in:
Indiana Pacers +11 at Denver 2 UnitsComment -
I am very familiar with this kind of system and call tell you first hand that this type of chase system is by FAR THE BEST way to make money wagering on sports but you do have to be careful.
The problem most guys run into when using a system like this is that they start the bet with way to high of a percentage of the bet compared to their bankroll. You need to start really really small because there will be times when you get to that third game that you are betting large amount of money to win what you want to win.
Many very successful bettors, which excludes most on this board, use systems like this. But they start out with LARGE bankrolls. To successfully use a system like this without a lot of stress you need to be starting out betting only about 1/2 to 1/4 percent of your bankroll.Comment -
20 - 11 - 1 +18 Units
1/6
NY Knicks -2 at OK City 2 Units
1/7
Indiana at Phoenix 5 Units
Detroit at Portland 5 UnitsComment -
WOW... When it rains it pours. I placed my bet on NY early when espn radio NY was saying Jeffries and Thomas were both playing. I just got in the door... saw the score and that they are OUT.
I'm sliding and was hoping it was time for a turn-around. I guess there's plenty of time. They are down 12 but it is OKC.... we'll see.Comment -
Take a look at my thread on teams to watch out for.
What's your next pick?Comment -
HUGE day today !! There's a lot of work to do. I'm waiting on some lines but regardless of what they are I'm buying a couple of points and taking Indiana (5 Units), Detroit (5 Units)....
and the 3rd play will be Miami Heat +7 at Denver
20 - 12 - 1 +16 UnitsComment -
Waiting just a bit longer to see if the lines move at all.... but it's looking like:
Indiana +10 5 Units
Detroit +6 5 Units
Miami +7 2 UnitsComment -
Tease them as well, homes! Might as well get a lil sweetener on top!Comment -
I'm ridin with you on this!
Although...I am doing a teaser like CK said. Smaller bets with each.Comment -
OMG....just give it a break man...
The only thing "big" here is the scam. Post a while longer then disappear...AGAIN.. Sure, then reference to your pay site. Everyone already knows about the John Morrison pay site scam. Damn..enough already. Give it a freakin rest. Miami got smoked tonight!!!
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OMG....just give it a break man...
The only thing "big" here is the scam. Post a while longer then disappear...AGAIN.. Sure, then reference to your pay site. Everyone already knows about the John Morrison pay site scam. Damn..enough already. Give it a freakin rest. Miami got smoked tonight!!!
Underdog... do you have any idea what you are talking about? Go back and read this thread before you make comments. I clearly stated that I am not the man himself and I am posting all of this plays here for FREE.
Not only that but I played 2 Huge games that covered and one small one that didn't. I'm really interested to see your picks.Comment -
22 - 13 - 1 +24 Units
1/8
NY Knicks +10 at Dallas (5 Units)
1/9
Miami at Sacramento (5 Units)Comment -
Hey Underdog. I personally don't like the John Morrison system cuz he tells you to buy 3 points on each pick and double up on a loss. To me that's just bad betting. However, don't call his system a scam. A scam is when someone tries to sell you something that doesn't exist. The picks exist. Whether you want to do it is up to you. To be honest I bet the John Morrison picks straight up with the current spread and I never double up on a loss. If I lay more money after a loss its only because I think its a stronger play.
In fairness, its not a scam.Comment -
Also, like posted already in the thread, we don actually buy 3 pointsComment -
keep on posting johnmorr.
cant get everything right, as long as we come out a winner
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If you have the bankroll to buy the 3-points on every game and still be able to double up every time you lose all the way down to the 3rd. game then it is better to follow the system to the letter. He has tried different things and his system is fined tuned to produce the most profits so following the system blindly is what you should do because you will rarely lose a series. He is undefeated so far in the NBA and hasn't even needed a 3rd. bet, about 85% of the series are won on the first game (with the 3 point buy) and the ones that have lost that game have all won on the second game.
That being said, does anybody know why would he give a 55% deposit bonus (as far as I know unlimited amount for your first deposit) at Betus? Does that book pay you your money? And if the system works then why would they even want to get people that use his system betting with them? They even sell you the 3 points for -170 which is the cheapest you can get them anywhere I know. Maybe they think we will lose money on other sports, or even their casino.
What do you guys think?Comment -
Miami was a 2 pt bet...who cares if it lostOMG....just give it a break man...
The only thing "big" here is the scam. Post a while longer then disappear...AGAIN.. Sure, then reference to your pay site. Everyone already knows about the John Morrison pay site scam. Damn..enough already. Give it a freakin rest. Miami got smoked tonight!!!
both of the 5 pt bets were posted beforehand using a system of OP's own. Even if a 5 pt bet loses John posts it.
John is doing a variation of his own here and he is posting it honestly. John keep posting.
and good luck with Knicks bet. I'm with you on that one. Thanks.Comment -
Jordan, the SBR rating of BetUS is a C- (Average to below average customer service with some risk to players funds). There have been complaints such as: not being paid, not being paid timely, as well as line movement against Morrison picks. Meaning if you want to bet NY at +8 and buy 3 points ... you may go on there and see NY only +7 or even +6.5. So, buying points may be "cheap" but you're not getting full value. And YES human nature being what it is they "think" that you won't play Morrison picks ONLY... you'll play other stuff and lose in the long-run.
It's really not a great site.... that's why they offer so many incentives. I personally only play at B+ or better sites.Comment -
Thanks for the help.Comment -
I can't say this for sure, but most likely John Morrison is an Affiliate of the BetUS sportsbook. In most Affiliate programs if you sign up to the Sportsbook through that Affiliate the Affiliate will get 30% of your losses. In fairness to John Morrison if his system works he will never make a penny off of your losses, and if you win it actually goes against the Affiliates bottom line. However, the stark reality is that most people lose when gambling so JM can make money if you lose.
FYI - the 55% bonus is for FREE PLAY. This means you are really only getting abuot half that bonus. There is also a 5x or 6x rollover, so you won't be able to touch any of your money until you bet your original deposit 5 or 6 times before you can make a withdrawal. This is not usually an issue for a serious sports handicapper. 27.5% is still a very good bonus and buying 3 points for -170 is the best I have seen anywhere.Comment -
MJ - Pretty Nice breakdown of the system. My purpose is to add filters and cap the games on top of following the system so that we eliminate series which may go 3 games while also buying fewer points. Simply put - I'd like to reduce the risk if possible.
Nevertheless...
I can assure you guys that JM is not an affiliate of BetUs and he does NOT get a piece of what you lose. But he does have a 'relationship' with the Site. He gets incentives for having people sign up and deposit $$ Just like you or I could. However, he has the ability to offer additional incentives through them because of the volume. He gets HUNDREDS of people to deposit $$ there. And believe it or not for every one person that follows the system and wins, there are 50 that blow all there $$ on betting other stuff. So, BetUs doesn't lose.Comment -
23 - 13 - 1 +29 Units
Miami Heat -3 at Sacramento (5 Units)Comment -
I have known and used this system for quite some time...it works and works really well. You can call this system whatever you want....but the bottom line is that it is a progressive chase system and one of the best ways to make money on sports gambling. Why?
Because you can hit only one of out of three and basically make all of the money you had planned on making! Yep...you can hit 33% of your bets and still make what you wanted to when the ORIGINAL PART of the bet started.
With chase systems you MUST have control of your bankroll, and start out REALLY small with the wager amounts, compared to your bankroll because at times you will be betting a significant amount of money compared to what you are going to win.
I have been betting sports for 35 years and now do it professionally, although not in America so I don't have to make as much as some of you to make a living. Chase betting when done right is almost like printing money. But what guys do wrong is they get tight after the second loss (even the first loss) and they do NOT follow through on the plan.
Listen, as of right now with the way the system is being played, this system is up 29 units in less than two months. Not too shabby when you consider NO handicapping in the "traditional" sense is done.
As a HUGE proponent of chase betting (with some serious rules you must stick by) I love this system.Comment -
Sorry if this is stupid but im not too familiar on chase betting. From the sound of it i would guess you just double up the bet once you lose? Could somebody explain it further if thats wrongComment -
There are a millions ways to chase but I will tell you how I would do it and do do it.
Just as an example: Using this chase system from a chase that started out a few days ago. Actually it is not a chase until you lose. Indiana was headed west for at least three games. Their first game was against the Nuggets.
So here is what you would do. The actual BET is getting one of out of THREE games with hopefully winning the first game of the three.
So you would have bet Indiana + whatever they were dogs by against the Nuggets. Let's say that for this next three games (the BET) you wanted to win $100. So you would have bet $100 on the Pacers and LOST.
You are now down $110 (110 lines). So the NEXT time the Pacers play you are going to bet the $110 you LOST, the $100 you wanted to win on them against Phoenix +9. So the total amount you would be betting is $210 on the Pacers +9 against Phoenix. And the Pacers covered.
So....you only HIT one out of those two plays but you won THE BET...because the BET was dependent on you winning one out of the Pacers first three as soon as they went west on at least a three game road trip.
You hit only 50% of your wagers but made the EXACT amount you went into it wanting to win. Pretty nice huh. Now the example I gave is NOT with buying points.
The obvious concern is you will lose some of these chases and the amount of money you end up wagering on some of the chases. This is why you need to start out with a very small percentage as a wager to your bankroll.
I highly recommend not starting out with MORE than ONE HALF OF ONE PERCENT of your bankroll. So if you have a $1000 bankroll, you would start out with a $5 wager on your first game. Yes, that is small. But that is how it is done the SAFE way.
So if you only have $1000 bankroll you will NOT be betting $50, $100 or anything like that to start out with.
Chase betting can be done in so many ways, this is just one example. What some guys do is they take the amount they wanted to win, let's say $100 and do it this way.
In the Pacers example they would do it like this:
They start out with $100 on the Pacers against the Nuggets. They lose that WAGER. Now they are down $110. So they take the lost $110, the $100 they wanted to win on the start of the chase, and then add in $100. They do this so when they get their next win they will have won like they had went 2-0 or 3-0.
So they are now betting $310 on the Pacers +9 versus Phoenix. The Pacers covered. So let's look at what happened. The Pacers lost to the Nuggets and covered versus the Suns. They only won one of two but you WON like they had gone 2-0.
If they had gone one and one you would have lost $10 based on a $100 bet. But because they won one of the games you won $200, just like you had gone 2-0!
Obviously you need a large bankroll to safely do this when betting a $100 per game. But this is how it is done. This is how many professionals do it, but they do not get tight during the second and third game chases and they are only starting out with a very low bet compared to their total bankroll.
Once you commit to a system like this you need to stay with the chase. Now the other question that comes up is this: If I lose a chase I will lose a lot of money on that chase. Well yes, to a point. Since chase betting systems like this win at such a high percentage you would take the losses from some of the chase losses and split them up over other chases and eventually get all those losses back.
Remember, when doing this right you get it ALL back on your next win. I realize this is complicated to many but once you start doing it you will quickly figure it out.
A pretty basic chase is looking at situations where you think you can get ONE win out of the next four and make what you wanted to make. That is only hitting 25% making all you wanted to make. So look into chase betting but realize YOU MUST start really small. REALLY small.Comment -
Yes it works, you must put filters on it such as JohnMorr08 is doing, because if you should happen to lose a series, it will set you back $2100.00 if you are wagering with $300.00 per system wager and that loss would equate to losing 8 $300.00 wagers.
Bet a $300.00 (loss)
Bet b $600.00 (loss)
Bet c $1200.00 (loss)
There you go, the equivalent of heartburn!Comment -
Very Nice to see people getting involved here. Special thanks to DevilDog for the extensive explanations! I've been betting this way for a long time as well (NBA and MLB) and must say it has been unbelievably successful because I've managed to stay DISCIPLINED.
I must make one important note: You NEED a system to bet this way... a proven system like this. Do NOT bet blindly like this because you are MORE likely to hit a bad spot and lose several games in a row. I would definitely limit the chase to 3. If you lose the 3rd it sucks like CK illustrated but it is what it is. Go on and start at Step 1 on the next bet.Comment -
JohnMorr,/CK
I usually stay fairly tight lipped regarding NBA on these boards. I been following you as well as CK for a quite a while, simply trying to learn and truly understand the reasoning behind it all. Just recently decided to post a few. First, to both of you, i extend my thks for all the insight regarding, patterns, systems, your all together capping skills etc that you bring to light for all of us. In anything u do in life I believe, knowledge is power. many thks again.
Secondly, if I may add..JohnMorr- if your going to posts your picks based on your system (which WE dont have full access to) and as well which includes additional filters you have found to be beneficial, How bout including the breakdown where you stand in the system progress with each of these bets. ie.. NO+5
working on a 3 tier and this is play A at certain # of units. This way we can truly follow the true patterns and as well success and truly learn to use the system to our advantage. Kindly advise your thoughts.
CK- may I ask if your picks you post regularly (which have been quite successful i may add) are based on a system w/filters as well, or straight up kick arse capping? Reason im asking is bcuz it would be beneficial to know unit numbers based on prior win/losses if your using a 3 or 4 tier system as well, and where they stand in the tier. ThksComment -
thanks for the great advice on chase betting.
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Originally Posted by MaurySline
ok, gang who has the football jesus thursday picks ?
i dont know who he had thursday, i saw his picks tuesday, and they both won,
i need to know if anyone has football jesus basketball plays for fri?Comment -
Now that I can see that there are truly several people interested in the system I will definitely try to be more detailed on the plays. Because my point buying changes based on matchups and actual spreads my TRUE betting amount does change a little bit from series to series.
But typically if I bet 2 Units and Lose bet A
I'm betting 5 Units on bet B....
If I lose B I'm betting around 12-15 Units on bet C.
And it ends at C no matter what the outcome.... For the record the Actual system has only gone to bet B Ten (10) times this year (with filters) and is 10-0. No C bets as of yet.
**Important Note: Figure out exactly what YOUR A,B and C are based on your Bankroll and still to it. No matter how good a game looks NEVER 'step out' on it because your C bet will bankrupt you.Comment -
johnmorr, are you gonna do a system like this for the mlb too?Comment -
Luv2Poker,
No i am a situational betting guy, so i handicap my own games with the help of my braintrust the PC Boys, but from time to time i will use a Morrison system wager too, especially in the FIRST game of a series, as from my experience, this is where the majority of the wins come from, I think it's hitting at a 85% clip to the best of my recollection.
The PC Play is derived from a play that all 5 of us collectively agree upon. And that is not an easy thing to get 5 guys who are heavyweights to agree upon a pick, so that is why there are only around 4-5 PC Plays a month on average.Comment
