nba chase 12/13

**dominate.** · 12-16-12, 06:42 PM

little late, but checking in for the season. Great work so far!

**thelimit0310** · 12-16-12, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by brigade125

is there another system going on here besides stifler?

There shouldn't be, but one or two people here are trying to make it that way. I can understand why you would be confused, I brought up the issue a few days ago.

**Grinder12000** · 12-16-12, 06:57 PM

Why don't you complain to Stifler as he was talking about his live betting system. Maybe we can ban him. Do you whine this much in real life?

in most forums if a known person mentions a great opportunity to help other win some bucks. People don't complain. Most of us are friends here with a common goal. Win money.

I'm 58 and have been handicapping for 40 years and sometimes an opportunity comes up and I wanted to share.

**njb5572** · 12-16-12, 07:23 PM

With no plays tonight, it was only a matter of time before an argument broke out. Let's keep this one clean boys, no biting.

**Nino7** · 12-16-12, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by Grinder12000

Hope you guys took my suggestion to bet the farm on New Orleans. 61-16 system looking good.

can you plz tell me what #post it was?

**Just Enough** · 12-16-12, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by Grinder12000

Why don't you complain to Stifler as he was talking about his live betting system. Maybe we can ban him. Do you whine this much in real life?

in most forums if a known person mentions a great opportunity to help other win some bucks. People don't complain. Most of us are friends here with a common goal. Win money.

I'm 58 and have been handicapping for 40 years and sometimes an opportunity comes up and I wanted to share.

well said brotha, i'm dying without the nhl. really thankful for stiffler and this thread. peeps need to grow up and realize whats in front of you here. someone is bustin their a$$ to make you money for free!!! lets be real here...keep rollin stiffler and stay positive boys

**thelimit0310** · 12-16-12, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by njb5572

With no plays tonight, it was only a matter of time before an argument broke out. Let's keep this one clean boys, no biting.

You're right, though in my defense I wasn't planning on starting an argument. They are just as cluttering as anything else. I was just trolling to see who would get frustrated and respond, main reason I didn't name anybody XD

**NYC's Finest** · 12-16-12, 07:56 PM

so did anyone find a book where you can bet live 4th quarter lines?

**Grinder12000** · 12-16-12, 08:32 PM

1274. And 1373 for my opportunity bets.

thelimit. And I thought we were buddies as you made me see the light about juice in Chases. I actually agree with you now and have the same arguments with my buddies.

NYC. If you actually are . TY. My son is a firefighter and 1st responders are awesome.

im putting money into 5dimes tomorrow and ill let you know. Also looking into Bookmaker, Betlegands and BetIsland. If anyone has experience with these let me know.

**laca07** · 12-16-12, 08:43 PM

read about Bookmaker's withdrawl fees. if you're ok with them, you'll be fine. they get NBA lines up early.

**Captain Mo** · 12-16-12, 10:34 PM

Thanks Asset

**Just Enough** · 12-16-12, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by Grinder12000

1274. And 1373 for my opportunity bets.

thelimit. And I thought we were buddies as you made me see the light about juice in Chases. I actually agree with you now and have the same arguments with my buddies.

NYC. If you actually are . TY. My son is a firefighter and 1st responders are awesome.

im putting money into 5dimes tomorrow and ill let you know. Also looking into Bookmaker, Betlegands and BetIsland. If anyone has experience with these let me know.

been with bookmaker for about 5 years....love it. never had a problem with anything. never had a withdrawl fee, you get 1 free a month and you also accumulate bet points which you can use for contest entry fees, buy things, and you can use them to replace any withdrawl fees if you wanna withdrawl more than 1 time within a month.

**thelimit0310** · 12-17-12, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by Grinder12000

thelimit. And I thought we were buddies as you made me see the light about juice in Chases. I actually agree with you now and have the same arguments with my buddies.

We are buddies Grinder and you're right if you've found a way to make followers more money it should see the light of day. The only reason I have taken issue with some of your postings in the past is because sometimes I feel you make suggestions for things that aren't thoroughly tested. Like this half-point spiel, is there data to suggest we should make this change? Even though it may possibly come in handy a few times our series losses will be more expensive due to the extra juice, does this negate the benefit? Maybe I have been reading wrong but I don't think I've come across this data, if you have posted data on it then I apologize for my ignorance. Even still I recognize the value in having that kind of discussion.

Just because I have busted your balls a few times doesn't mean I don't like you! I do think you make valuable contributions to this forum and I mean no ill will. I hope we can clear the slate!

**Stifler** · 12-17-12, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by Grinder12000

Hope you guys took my suggestion to bet the farm on New Orleans. 61-16 system looking good.

thx, i played it in the beat the prick contest. I think i need some input for the next NFL season. But i will get closer to that after NBA season is done.

on a sidenote looks like 3 winners yesterday on the 4Q system with Phil, Sac and NO.

**Grinder12000** · 12-17-12, 09:33 AM

Actually I want to thank you thelimit for making me think about this juice thing. When someone says juice is meaningless in a Chase, well . . . . .let's think about this a little and I did. Too many times people just take what people say for granted. Sports announcers do this all the time with meaningless and wrong stats and opinions.

ie - I heard the other night that OLD teams have a harder time playing back to back games - IT'S THE OPPOSITE!!! Stats prove it. OLD teams know how to cope, young teams go all out every game and then party afterword.

Here is my final opinion on juice and the Chase (at this moment).

1. Juice is MUCH LESS meaningful in a Chase

2. You should never ever buy a half point in straight betting.

3. Buying a half point here and there in a chase is ridicules - UNLESS - you want to have the same points spread as someone else.

4. Buying a half point for EVERY GAME is not ridicules in a chase. It's like buying an extended warranty. If you feel more secure with an extra half point - go for it. There is ZERO reason to not buy one if you get stressed out without it. BUT, it CAN bite you in the ass on rare occasions.

Always always remember - if a casino or sportsbook offers you something and you think it will give you and advantage - it won't - they know what they are doing and everything they offer is for THEM to make more money not you.

**Stifler** · 12-17-12, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by Grinder12000

Here is my final opinion on juice and the Chase (at this moment).

1. Juice is MUCH LESS meaningful in a Chase

2. You should never ever buy a half point in straight betting.

3. Buying a half point here and there in a chase is ridicules - UNLESS - you want to have the same points spread as someone else.

4. Buying a half point for EVERY GAME is not ridicules in a chase. It's like buying an extended warranty. If you feel more secure with an extra half point - go for it. There is ZERO reason to not buy one if you get stressed out without it. BUT, it CAN bite you in the ass on rare occasions.

1. *less meaningful than straight betting, still important
2. disagree, there are key numbers for nba or nfl. Buying a half point can be profitable long run (i.e. 3 or 7 in NFL). This doesnt mean u should buy a half pooint on every key number.
3. agree, especially on the 2nd part
4. buying a half point on every game is senseless. I mean next thing would be buying 2 full points or smth like that. Buying a half point would end in an extra loss of like 4 units on the losing series. Not worth the drama if u ask me, cause u covering just every 4,5 series loss. And is not even a guarantee ur going to win extra series buying a half point.

**Stifler** · 12-17-12, 11:31 AM

17.12.2012

S4

(A Bet) Min fade: Orlando +4 1,10u

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all rules and qualifying teams for every system can be found on post #786

**Grinder12000** · 12-17-12, 12:19 PM

Well - NFL yes - NBA - with 10 years and 36000 games of data there are no times when this is profitable except for a few sporadic anomalies -9 Home. +7.5 Home Dogs - Paying -120 for a half a point offsets the number if times you win. And if the argument is paying extra juice does not count in a Chase then buying a full point is even better. Can't have it both ways.

Just looking at raw data - not trying to argue but the data tells me there are no times a half point is profitable.

That why I said - if you think buying a half point is worth it then ALWAYS buying a half point is worth it. I can go back 25 years of points and spreads but it's all basically the same in the NBA.

Stifler - not trying to argue - what are the key numbers in the NBA

**cubfan2121** · 12-17-12, 12:51 PM

Have never had a problem with 5dimes

Originally posted by Grinder12000

1274. And 1373 for my opportunity bets.

thelimit. And I thought we were buddies as you made me see the light about juice in Chases. I actually agree with you now and have the same arguments with my buddies.

NYC. If you actually are . TY. My son is a firefighter and 1st responders are awesome.

im putting money into 5dimes tomorrow and ill let you know. Also looking into Bookmaker, Betlegands and BetIsland. If anyone has experience with these let me know.

**Stifler** · 12-17-12, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by Grinder12000

Stifler - not trying to argue - what are the key numbers in the NBA

2, 3, 4, 7 (one possession game / two possession game)

Not saying u should buy a half point on every of those numbers, but from time to time its fine to buy the half point.

**clamchowder** · 12-17-12, 01:11 PM

What book that offers live bettimgs and does business with US residents?

**BuckeyeKaptn** · 12-17-12, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Stifler

thx, i played it in the beat the prick contest. I think i need some input for the next NFL season. But i will get closer to that after NBA season is done.

Yeah, I need something for NFL too. I compare a couple of web sites that have computer picks, but got into it late...the 2 sites did very well for me in CFB though.

Originally posted by Stifler

on a sidenote looks like 3 winners yesterday on the 4Q system with Phil, Sac and NO.

I got NO, but I lost by a hook on Phil....12.5

**BuckeyeKaptn** · 12-17-12, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by clamchowder

What book that offers live bettimgs and does business with US residents?

I use youwager.com, for the last 15 yrs. They have in game wagering, but I'm guessing for TV games only.

**GIVEMETHEMONEY** · 12-17-12, 02:46 PM

I am rolling with you on Orlando Magic +4

Heya Stifler,

ARe you still reliving American Pie?

haha I couldn't resist!

I am rolling with you on Orlando +4.

Don't let me down Stifler!

Best,

GIVEMETHEMONEY

**Asset** · 12-17-12, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by GIVEMETHEMONEY

Heya Stifler,

ARe you still reliving American Pie?

haha I couldn't resist!

I am rolling with you on Orlando +4.

Don't let me down Stifler!

Best,

GIVEMETHEMONEY

I sure hope you understand this is a chase system. Other then that BOL to all

**clamchowder** · 12-17-12, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by BuckeyeKaptn

I use youwager.com, for the last 15 yrs. They have in game wagering, but I'm guessing for TV games only.

thx buckeye

**gamewinninglv** · 12-17-12, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by Asset

I sure hope you understand this is a chase system. Other then that BOL to all

I hope he does not mistaken this thread with the Sando and Seaweed thread ...........

**vigster** · 12-17-12, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by gamewinninglv

I hope he does not mistaken this thread with the Sando and Seaweed thread ...........

New to betting. Can someone please explain to me how a chase system varies from what seaweed and sando have to offer? Thank you !

**Grinder12000** · 12-17-12, 07:11 PM

Had to use my IPad to delete this post.

**J.M. Disciple** · 12-17-12, 07:14 PM

Great discussion with less trolls in this thread. I am not following the system any more, but enjoy reading the discussions in here with out a lot of "arguing" going on.

Also going back to sportsbooks banning you, I do not think you get banned for following systems because most people either lack bankroll management skills or they follow systems that are not proven and will fail long run. I seen a few people in here post about betting on the same game for both sides and getting banned. Is this really true?

Also for those who labby be very very careful when you are using the labby with systems. Some times they are chase systems for a reason and require 4 games to show a profit. They may have a 25% win rate but a 100% success rate for the chase which would make the labby fail. Every year John Morrison systems seems to get extremely heavy lines using the labby because first two-three weeks a lot of wagers go to B or C. There is no way around it, but I seen in other threads where people are laying 5-8% on their starting labby lines and it is a for sure way to go broke. Just a warning.

Keep up the great work everyone.

**Riceboi** · 12-17-12, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by J.M. Disciple

Great discussion with less trolls in this thread. I am not following the system any more, but enjoy reading the discussions in here with out a lot of "arguing" going on.

Also going back to sportsbooks banning you, I do not think you get banned for following systems because most people either lack bankroll management skills or they follow systems that are not proven and will fail long run. I seen a few people in here post about betting on the same game for both sides and getting banned. Is this really true?

Also for those who labby be very very careful when you are using the labby with systems. Some times they are chase systems for a reason and require 4 games to show a profit. They may have a 25% win rate but a 100% success rate for the chase which would make the labby fail. Every year John Morrison systems seems to get extremely heavy lines using the labby because first two-three weeks a lot of wagers go to B or C. There is no way around it, but I seen in other threads where people are laying 5-8% on their starting labby lines and it is a for sure way to go broke. Just a warning.

Keep up the great work everyone.

If you're trying arbitage or something they will ban you but don't see how betting both sides with -105/-110 or worse odds will get you banned.

**NYC's Finest** · 12-17-12, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by Stifler

thx, i played it in the beat the prick contest. I think i need some input for the next NFL season. But i will get closer to that after NBA season is done.

on a sidenote looks like 3 winners yesterday on the 4Q system with Phil, Sac and NO.

I was following this too. 5dimes didn't have any live in play betting for these games. I'm guessing the game has to be on a non-league-pass channel. Has anyone bet on any game that hasn't been televised for this system so far?

**gamewinninglv** · 12-17-12, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by vigster

New to betting. Can someone please explain to me how a chase system varies from what seaweed and sando have to offer? Thank you !

Please refer to post #786 on page 23 of this thread for a quick crash course about this system.

**CrazyCarl** · 12-17-12, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by J.M. Disciple

Also for those who labby be very very careful when you are using the labby with systems. Some times they are chase systems for a reason and require 4 games to show a profit. They may have a 25% win rate but a 100% success rate for the chase which would make the labby fail. Every year John Morrison systems seems to get extremely heavy lines using the labby because first two-three weeks a lot of wagers go to B or C. There is no way around it, but I seen in other threads where people are laying 5-8% on their starting labby lines and it is a for sure way to go broke. Just a warning.

Keep up the great work everyone.

I think anyone trying to make bets that would not be profitable straight-up work by chasing or labbying them is making a mistake, personally. Yeah, you could do OK in a 4-game chase for awhile with a 30% ATS record, but over several thousands of instances it would not be profitable.

**Grinder12000** · 12-17-12, 09:47 PM

I think anyone trying to make bets that would not be profitable straight-up work by chasing or labbying them is making a mistake, personally. Yeah, you could do OK in a 4-game chase for awhile with a 30% ATS record, but over several thousands of instances it would not be profitable.

Whats your point ??? Sort of stating the obvious unless you are teaching newbies and your statement is 100% true. There is no system in the world that can make a losing straight up system into a winner.

But . . what does that have to do with this Chase?? I have no idea who John Morrison is.