Horse Racing questions and answers

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Hey STR: Did you hear that Del Mar decided to shut down computerized whale wagering 2 minutes till post. on win bets. I guess they were receiving some complaints from regular betting folk on the fluctuations of the odds late. what do you know if anything about CAW's.

I would hope that every jurisdiction would follow this. Fans just cannot be expected to have this stuff take place. It is totally unacceptable in my book.

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CAW teams bet vast sums of money—accounting for 20% or more of the handle at some racetracks. Usually, CAW wagers are sent in the final moments before a race's start through sophisticated wagering technologies. Sometimes the amounts of money wagered and the timing of those wagers results in dramatic odds changes. The information on those odds changes often isn't fully available until after the gates open.

It really is unfair to the public IMO. At least with two minutes, some fans will have a chance to adjust their plays.

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Some prominent track operators own the betting platforms used by CAW players, with The Stronach Group and the New York Racing Association owning one such company, Elite Turf Club, and Churchill Downs Inc. owning another known as Velocity. A Sept. 5, 2024, document outlining Elite Turf Club for the California Horse Racing Board said TSG owns 80% of Elite and NYRA 20%. Elite Turf Club is responsible for the bulk of CAW play on California racing, while Velocity is primarily focused on CDI-owned tracks.

Speaking last summer before the CHRB, Scott Daruty, president of TSG's Monarch Content Management and Elite Turf Club, acknowledged that the effectiveness of CAW teams raises the effective takeout for retail players. The aforementioned 2024 document estimated Elite's wagering results in a 2.5% increase in effective takeout for retail players.

Yes. It does. And while they have every right to be able to bet that money, the other 80% of the handle should have more consideration than the CAW’s IMO.

[str]

I do know one player for sure and probably more that are a big part of the CAW scene. While the CAW betting has added to a takeout kind of, without them, at least 1/2 of that money and probably more would be wagered anyway by a small group of individual players. That’s what happened back in the day when the high rolling sharps bet individually.
So it’s not all gloom and doom. And I thought about if this was the rule in Florida, 2 minutes to post is really more like 8 minutes to post because they are purposely late to make sure they get every drop of handle.
I personally find that as bush league and if I was a horseman there with any pull, I would be screaming about it. It’s amateurish. I wouldn’t bet a nickel at that place.

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Some prominent track operators own the betting platforms used by CAW players, with The Stronach Group and the New York Racing Association owning one such company, Elite Turf Club, and Churchill Downs Inc. owning another known as Velocity. A Sept. 5, 2024, document outlining Elite Turf Club for the California Horse Racing Board said TSG owns 80% of Elite and NYRA 20%. Elite Turf Club is responsible for the bulk of CAW play on California racing, while Velocity is primarily focused on CDI-owned tracks.

Speaking last summer before the CHRB, Scott Daruty, president of TSG's Monarch Content Management and Elite Turf Club, acknowledged that the effectiveness of CAW teams raises the effective takeout for retail players. The aforementioned 2024 document estimated Elite's wagering results in a 2.5% increase in effective takeout for retail players.

Have to admit, the track owners being affiliated with the CAW’s is a little slimy. These people with mega bucks have no shame when it comes to trying to accumulate more money.
I think it’s a sickness. I mean, cmon man, help out other people. I think it’s gross.

[Easy-Rider 66]

Have to admit, the track owners being affiliated with the CAW’s is a little slimy. These people with mega bucks have no shame when it comes to trying to accumulate more money.
I think it’s a sickness. I mean, cmon man, help out other people. I think it’s gross.

THX STR for your takes. Yeah I was surprised to see that NYRA and CDI are affiliated with these groups.

[JBEX]

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previous weeks

10959/10994/10999/11026/11063/11108/11134


week 8 .. 8/18-8/24

opening day sar to last day dmr (mid sept)
ARMY MULE progeny at ...

saratoga/del mar/monmouth/ellis/colonial

monday and tuesday will look at all tracks ..weds to sunday the 5 above

everything for this week will be in this post
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8/18 monday ****

parx 9 (4:18)
#1 amy mule (15-1)
4th @ 12-1 .. 11 horse field

parx 11 (5:14)
#5 mission first (10-1)
scratched

prarie meadows 10 (8:51)
#2 come on mulitch (10-1)
3rd @ 3-2 .. 5 horse field w/ 2 scratches


8/19 tuesday ****

parx 1 (12:40)
#10 forward move (8-1)
last @ 17-1 ..never involved at any point

parx 12 (5:41)
#8 mission first (8-1)
out @ 6-1

8/20 wednesday ****

colonial 3 @ 1:28
#1 splash of jack (8-1)
out @ 20-1

8/21 thursday ****

nothing

8/22 friday ****

del mar 5 @ 8pm
6 charlie foxtrot (4-1)

[JBEX]

3 tracks thursday .. none running

[batt33]

Couple of up dates STR including your favorite of mine! all is well here... on 2 hour call for new starts .... keeping me busy with admin stuff( and I thought I was retired ) )
Real Savvy Post-Race Follow-Up



Real Savvy exited his race the other day in pretty good order. It should be noted that in his post-race scope his arytenoid cartilage was about 80% abducted. This is not uncommon for horses with tie-backs—that procedure rarely gets them to 100%, but it is certainly an improvement compared to where he was before the surgery and so far the sutures appear to be holding. It’s just something we’ll have to keep in mind and monitor moving forward. We’ll see how he trains coming out of this race and likely look for a next start when they’re back downstate.
and ugh
Black Tie Optional Update



Black Tie Optional has not been moving to assistant trainer Mike Marlow’s liking behind at Los Alamitos since receiving a week off from breezing last week. There’s nothing pathological showing, which has lead us to set up a nuclear scan. A nuclear scan, also known as a bone scan, is used to detect and diagnose various bone and soft-tissue problems.

A scan is scheduled to take place tomorrow, which will give us a clear image of what we are dealing with. We should receive the results later in the week and will follow up as soon as we get them.

[JBEX]

added lone friday entry

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Q. Black Tie Optional has not been moving to assistant trainer Mike Marlow’s liking behind at Los Alamitos since receiving a week off from breezing last week. There’s nothing pathological showing, which has lead us to set up a nuclear scan. A nuclear scan, also known as a bone scan, is used to detect and diagnose various bone and soft-tissue problems.

A scan is scheduled to take place tomorrow, which will give us a clear image of what we are dealing with. We should receive the results later in the week and will follow up as soon as we get them.

A. To be honest , I’ve been kind of waiting for something to possibly show up.
Why? Because this horse is thick and weighty as well as talented. So that equals weight, speed, stamina, and reach and with all that usually comes a form of muscle or Bone/body over exertion.
He is off somewhere behind. Honestly Batt, that beats the heck out of off up front. But if not remedied he will shift his weight and throw it up front and that will cause stuff we do not want.

So, they are doing exactly the right thing in my opinion. They will figure out the area that is inflamed and deal with it. More often than not with hind ends and muscle , backing off of work outs and jogging even 2 miles a day, is often the prescribed treatment as well as acupuncture or tenz unit type treatment while still in lighter training.
Often times this can be either muscular irritation which can be dealt with with light exercise for a month +\- or bone bruising which depending where can be either the same program or other exercises and treatment.
This hopefully small back off can also help him up front as the front leg bones are slowly thickening by layering additional bone. All that is typical and needed as he starts to run.
This typically occurs when the horse starts getting competitive and pushes things a bit. Especially those with talent and baby fat type weight. He’s a chunkster Batt. That’s who he is.
Of course, this is just speculation on my part. So let’s see what they find. I’m anxious to hear. Please keep me informed.
Thanks, Batt