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they have an alw n2L for 3 year old fillies (only) @ 6f on 3/31 ..it's open company but I think it doesn't make as much of a difference there at about a $26k purse ; plus they have up to $15k in breeders awards for ohio bred horses ..pretty nice ! with such a convincing win you think they might consider trying that race coming back in only 1 week str .. especially factoring you have an army mule class edge ? assuming the connections might view it that way also lolLast edited by JBEX; 03-24-25, 05:48 PM.Comment -
Hmm. Such a perfect post, break, and setup, I was a bit surprised with the way she finished to be honest. I suppose that track is slow?? That last 1/8th in 15 is ugly and I do not care for the fronts ON as a firster. Guess she needs them but wonder why?
With everything going a perfect as you could ask for, and finishing up in :15 the last 1/8th, making a determination from what I saw, I would not run her back in 6 days. I think she needs to be more solid which could be as simple as foundation and needing to build that up but I have a hunch that race might have taken more out of her than it should have.
My guess would be, pass the race and work on getting the horse better in every way.
With breaking nicely, having the box, and the race pretty much over after 5 seconds, I feel she could have been much better than she showed. Just my feeling. Certainly could be wrong but it didn't feel as good as it should have for me.Comment -
thanks str
these were the final 2 calls of her race and a race for the boys later on in the card..latter same distance of course
1:00.97 / 1:15.12 (14.15)
3up ohio msw fillies (hers)
1:00.74 / 1:13.90 (13.16)
3up open alw n2L boys
I would think about a second final eighth and time would be about right ,maybe even good, factoring msw ohio fillies vs open alw colts
also she wasn't a debut horse and was making her 5th career start..we discussed this horse before in her previous start
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Sorry JBEX. I missed the fact that she has run before. Just been distracted the last few days.
I guess that slow time is in line with older boys. Still didn’t really like how she looked late. Have to watch it again I guess.
if I had to make the choice of running back quickly or not, I think my approach would be not to run her but give her the chance to talk me into it by all she shows and eats, acts, etc. What I mean is, I would give her the opportunity to talk me into running her for the next two - three days or so .Comment -
no big deal str .. the 2 things that caught my eye were how she quickly spurted away from the pack when they got close (about 38 secs on track reply)
and the final 3-4 secs of the race appeared to be a hand ride ..my thought was she did it easy and might be good for a quick comeback..what you said makes sense..monitor and see..have to think they are at least considering running in that raceComment -
by army mule
turf paradise R8 @ 7:16 weds
#2 come on mulitch (6-1)
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This race has horses jumping up and running well, then running not very well . Just kind of all over the place IMO. Also some solid percentages on trainers with certain situations. A lot to take in.
Without watching these run before, it seems like half the field could win, including this one. This would take a lot of film study to sort them out for me. Do you see it like that JBEX?Comment -
1 7 8 10 have run decent races from limited opportunities in turf routes but the 1 is way too obvious and always avoid those types in maiden races..don't care for the trainer to boot..like something that's at least a little hidden..horse by army mule's trainer is excellent with new turf runners has a nice inside post and highly likely to be on the lead by himself ..AM's ,as you know, like the turf (just had a debut winner going 2 turns over the weekend) and pioneer of the nile (dam sire and also sire of american pharoah) is above avg with turf runners and has some nice class to go with it
..between his races and works should be fit .. lots of good things here imo
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I agree JBEX. This AM does have upside and hidden form as well as liking the grass in all probability. I just noticed that a couple of others have kind of the same thing. Real nice % for this AM trainer in this situation for sure. And agree, the 1 is too easy and with all the other hidden form/ nice %'s floating around in here, if I played it would have to include some exactas or triple with the AM and some of those others that have muddied form. Plenty of good numbers with several to find a nice payout if you can put it together.Comment -
while I wouldn't play #1 on top could play him underneath..like the post and he gets back in about 1/3 the time of his short layoff ..seems to always put in an effort with wide and bad trips mixed in..other for me would be #6..war front dam sire and jock good on turf..for turf paradise cost a decent amount and not up for sale with the optional condition ..jock a decent turf rider..regular works since late january and guess they may have been considering dmr for him as a 2yo which is certainly a positive in my eyes
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On an unrelated note, I spoke about a steroidal that I threw out of my barn and can’t say enough bad things about a couple of weeks ago. I couldn’t remember the name of that garbage but saw it written today so I thought I would pass it along.
its name is Clenbuterol. It was very popular in the 90’s and now illegal. I happened to see it when reading about the quarter horse positives that are ongoing.
IMO, anyone using that kind of garbage should have their license revoked.
While I understand the short term use on a farm, out of competition, and under strict observation by a licensed vet that is working in the horse’s best interest, it has no place IMO on the racetrack.
and those quarter horse trainers that got multiple positives with steroids? They should be glad I’m not the judge.
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All I can say is wow with the way...#2 come on mulitch was ridden.. unreal the horse ran well despite the jockey interference
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that was a hot mess of a trip to say the least and outside of the obvious..steadied just out of the gate and very wide on the turn,backstretch and far turn..sure there's a lot more to it than that str will comment on ..something after all he did how he came again in the stretch to nail 3rd
if anybody played him with the 6 and 1 they certainly weren't disappointed with the order of finish
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almost $76k wps is a decent size pool for a track like turf paradiseComment -
Apparently, this jockey on the AM is pretty solid according to his numbers. Have to admit though, I might opt to go in the men's room for the race and just listen to the call instead of forcing myself to watch that.
Man, my eyes hurt and I am kind of speechless. Rare for me, Lol.Comment -
in response to batt and str ..still can't multiple quote..
but do you think , to a degree anyway, that being steadied after the start (for a front running horse) along with running on a new surface might have had him a bit disoriented ..the aggresive move to the battle for the lead on the backstretch may have been the horse not wanting to be restrained due to unfamiliarity with this style of running ?
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Yeah. Your on the right track, no pun intended.
When he was steadied at the start, the horse started to run off. That is a situation where either the horse gets the upper hand or the jockey changes the horses mind. It is only for a second or two and then one or the other has the upper hand. In this case, the horse won the battle. By that I mean that the horse was indeed running off , unsettled, and burning energy like mad. So when you saw the rider go very wide into ,the turn, I am sure that what he was doing was getting away from other horses so his horse might chill out and start paying attention to the jockey instead of getting mentally all fired up and burning out. So I do understand what the rider was attempting. Unfortunately, the horse was unable to overcome it's fired up state, which could very well have been a combination of things, like new surface, ping ponged out of the gate, etc. When the Army Mule comes back into the picture early down the backside, look at his mouth and you can see all the foam from the horse grinding the bit, exerting mental energy ( my opinion, I do not know the horse well enough to know if this is normal for him or not), and is continuing to exert more energy than he should be. So when the inside horse, the 9, moves up inside to try and gain position before the hole closes into the far turn, and creates what would have been a 4 wide run around the turn for the , the AM rider says screw it, and allows his still rank horse to move up to move up into contention. And while I understand that, my frustration was from just out of the gate and what occurred that entire first 5/8ths of a mile. At no time did this horse settle.
Had he settled, I think he wins. Watching my horse burn energy at the wrong time was without a doubt the most frustrating thing to watch during a race of mine. You just can't allow that. And that's not to say the rider could have in that race but undoing the mental side of getting the horse to settle, listen and respond is so darn difficult that when you have it, you don't ever want to lose it. Without watching earlier replays, I don't know if this horse has ever settled. When I see big blinker cups, , frothing at the mouth, and a rider that can't settle his mount to chill out, I know it can be a battle. Some horses never can. That can make a potentially 20k horse worth about a third of that. I would hope he wears a shadow roll next out to try and get his head down a little so he can level off.
While I wanted to blame the rider, maybe that was unfair. Maybe this horse is just to fired up and jittery and makes the rider look bad. I have not watched previous replays of this horse or I could quickly know which one it was.
Whatever the case, it is almost impossible to get a horse away from running with their head too high, nervous, etc. without the horses cooperation. Hopefully we see that next time he runs. And the main thing will be to get the horse to relax immediately upon the break. Once he's mentally gone, he does not seem to think about settling down.Comment -
thanks str
so this race was probably over for him just after the break.. horse wouldn't settle and lots of energy was expended for a long period of time which took it's toll in the stretch ..still hung on pretty well though in spite of these things..I also felt without all this adversity good chance he might have won ..will keep an eye out for his next startComment -
All that could have cost him 8-10 lengths.
if he settles, rates and fires, I think he wins JBEX .
All that went on in that race cost him a lot.
But because he caused a lot of that himself, you can’t think he won’t cause himself problems next time as well. That’s the dilemma.
Do you see how high his head was even standing in the gate? You can’t break well with your head up in the air. Look for a big shadow roll next time. He is begging for it. That has to help if they do it.
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[QUOTE=JBEX;n29862661]in response to batt and str ..still can't multiple quote..
but do you think , to a degree anyway, that being steadied after the start (for a front running horse) along with running on a new surface might have had him a bit disoriented ..the aggresive move to the battle for the lead on the backstretch may have been the horse not wanting to be restrained due to unfamiliarity with this style of running ?
I get the feeling if this was the case you guys would've mentioned it to begin with[/QUOT
JBEX try this for mutiple quotes.... hit the first quote... find the second quote and hit the post reply button(up at the top ) it should show (2) (once you hit the button) then type in a response.... hope that helps!Comment -
Hey STR when you get a chance take a look at GP R2: #6 Wellness. You can access PP's by More than ready. 15/1 ML sent off at 24/1. The Horse placed nailed at the wire by the fav. Do you see potential there or should he have been sent off at that price in your opinion? THX in advance.Comment -
if you excuse the break last out the pp line isn't bad ..figure progression first 3,a 5f turf sprint @ gulfstream is a different animal than what she'd done at woodbine ..didn't run badly in the race she was claimed out of,actually very good when you look at the bad trip she had..it's a very classy either surface pedigree geared more for distance ..sire is gun runner's sire and the dam's sire is curlin's sire..realize most won't factor that in to capping but interesting to know..trainer/jock combo a large part of why she went off that high imoComment -
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want to be clear on above race is was a 50K MDN CLM edits not workingComment -
I see what Casse or his owner paid for her, which says she is nice from that angle but I doubt I would have landed on her. She is well bred for the turf but have to think I would have not used her. JBEX is right about the turf but as he said, the current connections would probably have chased me off her especially off that last race even though not on turf.
She ran well so expect that next out as well if she stays on the grass.
Anyone who had her, a tip of the cap is deserved.Comment
