Horse Racing questions and answers

[str]

2nd start adding 2.5f. Looked a little green and possibly a bit ragged in the stretch. If you watch the race again STR I always watch the horses (Young) ability to rate first few starts. I think was a challenge as the horse/jockey has their eyes on the very fast front runner and maybe didn't see the 8 coming late outside???

I think he ran well but was getting tired, and understandably so, the last 1/8th. Not sure he much left in the tank if he saw that closer or not. He will be more fit next out but at low odds, I would be skeptical of assuming he just wins next out. It was a good effort, but I saw nothing special about it with the position he had and the leader early just running off.

Not saying he will lose, but I would proceed with caution on this one in his next start.

[str]

hey str

mentioned in batt's thread that I liked garamond at a price in this round of future bets .. he was training at payson park coming up to the gotham stakes at aqu ..if chad were to send him back to payson park with the intention of shipping back to run in the wood memorial do you feel that's an advantageous scenario vs just keeping him at aqueduct? think we may have discussed a ways back that it's a deeper surface and good for getting a horse very fit for a race..maybe a nicer environment also and have him in a better state of mind for the race ?

It is a nice environment indeed JBEX. For me, the fact that he is based in Fla. now might have me send him back down for the next race. I have to think Chad is in Florida and if it was me, I would want to keep things exactly the same for the horse, that is, groom., exercise rider, stall, etc. I would want to see the horse daily or as often as possible and if Chad is down there, leaving him in NY has him away for that next race with everything different.
In today's world of shipping horses with such ease, Florida is the most likely choice Assuming all things are fine.

[str]

feel free to say if you don't care for him or like any others

I have not followed it very much this winter. I read the headlines but have not really looked hard at any big 3 yr. old Derby prep races yet so I just am not up to speed enough to have an opinion.

I respect your opinion on these so kind of futures. For me, I'm not sure I would know the true value of a stallion play at this point. Think I would be kind of lost.

[str]

by army mule

aqu R1 #4 remember the chief (3-1) @ 1:10

looks very capable vs these


also one much later at oaklawn..post tomorrow

Several speeds in here to help set things up nicely. Cuts back off time from 1 mile races. The" if" is, can he close going 6F ? I don't know. At a short price I might just watch although the speeds don't do a lot for me.. I would think he might be more like 6-1 which makes him worth a look IMO.

[JBEX]

It is a nice environment indeed JBEX. For me, the fact that he is based in Fla. now might have me send him back down for the next race. I have to think Chad is in Florida and if it was me, I would want to keep things exactly the same for the horse, that is, groom., exercise rider, stall, etc. I would want to see the horse daily or as often as possible and if Chad is down there, leaving him in NY has him away for that next race with everything different.
In today's world of shipping horses with such ease, Florida is the most likely choice Assuming all things are fine.

thanks str

probably the most important reason of them all is what you mentioned with chad being down in florida along with it being a nice place to be ..also keep him with the same people who work with him regularly .. kind of feel (w/o knowing the field) it's not crazy that he could run a nice race in the wood memorial (if they go that path) and then you have a shot with him in the derby at mega odds

[str]

Hey STR: what kind of race condition do you favor capping.? I lean toward MSW.

The thing with MSW races are that with firsters, I feel others ( the connections) probably know more than I do. So while I always look, I am fine with most races but not particular to MSW.

I'm ok with anything but as you know, understanding each of the race conditions is a very big key for me.

[Easy-Rider 66]

The thing with MSW races are that with firsters, I feel others ( the connections) probably know more than I do. So while I always look, I am fine with most races but not particular to MSW.

I'm ok with anything but as you know, understanding each of the race conditions is a very big key for me.

THX. yeah see your point on the MSW races and I guess MDN Claimers as well.

[JBEX]

Several speeds in here to help set things up nicely. Cuts back off time from 1 mile races. The" if" is, can he close going 6F ? I don't know. At a short price I might just watch although the speeds don't do a lot for me.. I would think he might be more like 6-1 which makes him worth a look IMO.

agree but if he can think he's very tough in here..how about the dam's sire being pleasant colony .. he'd be 47yo this year lol !! johnny campo trained (sure you know that) who I'm guessing you might've mentioned in here along the way

[JBEX]

by army mule

aqu R1 #4 remember the chief (3-1) @ 1:10

looks very capable vs these


also one much later at oaklawn..post tomorrow

oak R9 #2 war mule (15-1) @ 6pm


broke maiden in debut last race vs statebred msw..gritty nose win pretty much battling through most of the stretch ..next logical step but think the fact he did it in the mud and figure a little light is reason for the high ml




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[str]

THX. yeah see your point on the MSW races and I guess MDN Claimers as well.

At least with maiden claimers you can see a true value of the horse. The claim worries keep it somewhat honest as to placement.
With the special weight horses, they can be well bred but not that great or a horse that is way above their logical ability. As a handicapper, we have to guess while others already know. Hope I am saying it right so that makes sense.

[str]

agree but if he can think he's very tough in here..how about the dam's sire being pleasant colony .. he'd be 47yo this year lol !! johnny campo trained (sure you know that) who I'm guessing you might've mentioned in here along the way

I’ll never forget it. Campo claimed my horse Needachant at the Meadowlands and I told the story in here. He was a nut in the gate and Campo needed a horse to work with Pleasant Colony to prep for a huge grade 1.
Needachant breaks with him and steps all over Pleasant Colony’s tendon and he had to retire from racing . Breeders Cup Classic prep I think. He was retired to stud . We tried to warn Campo’s help but they were so arrogant they obviously didn’t listen.

I was just a punk from Md. in their eyes. Didn’t work out so well for them.

Full story definitely in here somewhere.

[Easy-Rider 66]

At least with maiden claimers you can see a true value of the horse. The claim worries keep it somewhat honest as to placement.
With the special weight horses, they can be well bred but not that great or a horse that is way above their logical ability. As a handicapper, we have to guess while others already know. Hope I am saying it right so that makes sense.

got it thx STR

[str]

oak R9 #2 war mule (15-1) @ 6pm


broke maiden in debut last race vs statebred msw..gritty nose win pretty much battling through most of the stretch ..next logical step but think the fact he did it in the mud and figure a little light is reason for the high ml




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15-1 seems high.
A 3 year old vs. olders.
yeah, maybe the figure pushes the odds up but the old saying “time only counts in jail “ comes to mind. Lol.

[JBEX]

I’ll never forget it. Campo claimed my horse Needachant at the Meadowlands and I told the story in here. He was a nut in the gate and Campo needed a horse to work with Pleasant Colony to prep for a huge grade 1.
Needachant breaks with him and steps all over Pleasant Colony’s tendon and he had to retire from racing . Breeders Cup Classic prep I think. He was retired to stud . We tried to warn Campo’s help but they were so arrogant they obviously didn’t listen.

I was just a punk from Md. in their eyes. Didn’t work out so well for them.

Full story definitely in here somewhere.

that's some connection and went out of your way to warn him also .. arrogance cost him a lot !! this was 3 years before the 1st breeders cup so was preparing for a different race

[str]

that's some connection and went out of your way to warn him also .. arrogance cost him a lot !! this was 3 years before the 1st breeders cup so was preparing for a different race

The Marlboro Cup or the Jockey Club Gold Cup probably. Both end of year key races at Belmont.
He was a clear favorite for either spot.

[JBEX]

The Marlboro Cup or the Jockey Club Gold Cup probably. Both end of year key races at Belmont.
He was a clear favorite for either spot.

finished up with a 4th in the marlboro cup..early days for me but have a vague recollection of those races being in that order

[str]

finished up with a 4th in the marlboro cup..early days for me but have a vague recollection of those races being in that order

The entire story is in these pages from years ago but I have not figured out how to key word search in this new format. Only one seems to come up in the search and it is today's. I know I have posted the entire story in here at least once, probably posted a picture of Needachant as well. I bought him as a late yearling for 1k out of a field in Md. He was a piece of work Lol.

[Madison]

I think he ran well but was getting tired, and understandably so, the last 1/8th. Not sure he much left in the tank if he saw that closer or not. He will be more fit next out but at low odds, I would be skeptical of assuming he just wins next out. It was a good effort, but I saw nothing special about it with the position he had and the leader early just running off.

Not saying he will lose, but I would proceed with caution on this one in his next start.

Agreed THX!

[JBEX]

The entire story is in these pages from years ago but I have not figured out how to key word search in this new format. Only one seems to come up in the search and it is today's. I know I have posted the entire story in here at least once, probably posted a picture of Needachant as well. I bought him as a late yearling for 1k out of a field in Md. He was a piece of work Lol.

I got the same results with the search..if I can figure it out let you know

from memory pleasant colony was a solid sire for a long time ..if he had come back as a 4yo and had a solid season could have enhanced his value as a stallion significantly

[JBEX]

Several speeds in here to help set things up nicely. Cuts back off time from 1 mile races. The" if" is, can he close going 6F ? I don't know. At a short price I might just watch although the speeds don't do a lot for me.. I would think he might be more like 6-1 which makes him worth a look IMO.

you had the right idea here..be interesting to see if they can get him to close in his next few starts ..also possible he just needed that race off the lengthy layoff and can get it done on the front end when in shape

[JBEX]

you had the right idea here..be interesting to see if they can get him to close in his next few starts ..also possible he just needed that race off the lengthy layoff and can get it done on the front end when in shape

always finger lakes or monmouth if it's too steep at aqueduct..could see him being a nice allowance horse at the former



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[batt33]

I’ll never forget it. Campo claimed my horse Needachant at the Meadowlands and I told the story in here. He was a nut in the gate and Campo needed a horse to work with Pleasant Colony to prep for a huge grade 1.
Needachant breaks with him and steps all over Pleasant Colony’s tendon and he had to retire from racing . Breeders Cup Classic prep I think. He was retired to stud . We tried to warn Campo’s help but they were so arrogant they obviously didn’t listen.

I was just a punk from Md. in their eyes. Didn’t work out so well for them.

Full story definitely in here somewhere

wow...

[batt33]

Louisiana Derby Draw



The field for next Saturday’s Louisiana Derby has been drawn, and Caldera was assigned post #5 in a field of 10. He has been quoted as the 5-1 third choice on the morning line. That’s a fine post for him and at first glance this definitely looks like a race he should have a legitimate shot in.

[batt33]

Straight No Chaser Workout Report



Straight No Chaser breezed a half mile in :48.40 on Sunday morning over the Meydan dirt course. He worked by himself as usual, breezing in even fractions and finishing up in hand. Trainer Dan Blacker, who was on site for the breeze, clocked him galloping out in 1:00.20. “He looked like his usual self out there. Juan said he felt good,” reported Blacker.

The plan remains for Straight No Chaser to have two additional works leading up to the G1 Dubai Golden Shaheen on Apr. 5th.

https://youtu.be/KVm1WHOjrug

[batt33]

Sweet Voyage Entry Update



Sweet Voyage has been entered to run in the fifth race on Mar. 22 at Turfway Park. She will break from post 3 in a full field with Gabriel Saez in the irons. We will be back with a race preview in the coming days.

[darrell74]

https://agameofskill.com/free-harness-and-thoroughbred-past-performances-programs-and-selections/

here's a free link for harness downloads

[JBEX]

https://agameofskill.com/free-harnes...nd-selections/

here's a free link for harness downloads

thanks again darrell

[JBEX]

oak R9 #2 war mule (15-1) @ 6pm


broke maiden in debut last race vs statebred msw..gritty nose win pretty much battling through most of the stretch ..next logical step but think the fact he did it in the mud and figure a little light is reason for the high ml




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considering first time vs winners and on a fast track thought an excellent effort coming in 3rd at 13-1 ..sure str could elaborate more on the effort and trip he had



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[JBEX]

Louisiana Derby Draw



The field for next Saturday’s Louisiana Derby has been drawn, and Caldera was assigned post #5 in a field of 10. He has been quoted as the 5-1 third choice on the morning line. That’s a fine post for him and at first glance this definitely looks like a race he should have a legitimate shot in.

agree the middle post is a good draw for him..will take a look during the week

it would be an amazing feat (SNC) to win both of those big purse races in dubai and saudi arabia ..hope he gets it done

[str]

you had the right idea here..be interesting to see if they can get him to close in his next few starts ..also possible he just needed that race off the lengthy layoff and can get it done on the front end when in shape

Yeah. It's never a stretch to think these offspring won't give you all they have.

I think this horse will be very useful down the road.

[str]

https://agameofskill.com/free-harnes...nd-selections/

here's a free link for harness downloads

That has to help plenty in here.

Thanks Darrell !

[str]

considering first time vs winners and on a fast track thought an excellent effort coming in 3rd at 13-1 ..sure str could elaborate more on the effort and trip he had



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This horse is so cool.

13-1 on him is ridiculous. All this one does is run his heart out for you.

The horse learned quite a bit in that race from the experience point of view.

Expect more of the same next start.

What a nice horse to have in your barn to work with.

He got a lot out of that race mentally AND physically.

I just shake my head when I see this stuff. And for all the good reasons.

[str]

Sweet Voyage Entry Update



Sweet Voyage has been entered to run in the fifth race on Mar. 22 at Turfway Park. She will break from post 3 in a full field with Gabriel Saez in the irons. We will be back with a race preview in the coming days.

Is this 2 turns Batt?

[str]

Straight No Chaser Workout Report



Straight No Chaser breezed a half mile in :48.40 on Sunday morning over the Meydan dirt course. He worked by himself as usual, breezing in even fractions and finishing up in hand. Trainer Dan Blacker, who was on site for the breeze, clocked him galloping out in 1:00.20. “He looked like his usual self out there. Juan said he felt good,” reported Blacker.

The plan remains for Straight No Chaser to have two additional works leading up to the G1 Dubai Golden Shaheen on Apr. 5th.

https://youtu.be/KVm1WHOjrug

Nice quiet maintenance work.

Looks great Batt.

[JBEX]

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