lol , great answer....i guess thats why your on top of the game.....many years of research..Originally Posted by mikemca
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05-06-14 04:24 PM #246
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05-06-14 04:31 PM #247
mike i did the research, its pretty cool, here is the horse with a maybe ??????? 150 speed rating, and the time form is 12-14 points different, but i can understand , why you told me to do the research, i read it,, and im going to read it about 10 more times,
countfleetwin.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=qLopFTNMI6s
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05-06-14 04:45 PM #248
I was surprised by who ran the best race on the card.Somehow slipped past me. Originally Posted by Easy-Rider 66
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05-06-14 04:47 PM #249
Hart Time form and the other Euro figs go by a weight for age scale I think.Totally different than USA figuremakers
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05-06-14 05:38 PM #250
Central Banker? He got the best TimeForm figure at 118. Did T-graph agree? Originally Posted by mikemca
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05-06-14 05:42 PM #251
it said time form horses are about 12-14 points higher, im reading more ,good stuff, im curious, some tracks, put out the total distance a horse ran, in the race, is there a site that does that for every race and track, mostly the derby i would like to see, think gulfstream does it.
Originally Posted by mikemca
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05-06-14 06:58 PM #252
Originally Posted by Easy-Rider 66
the 2nd place horse
It's a service called trakus.Not all tracks use it.Think Woodbine was one of the first then maybe GP and finally NYRA Originally Posted by harthebar
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05-06-14 08:43 PM #253
Quintal Bayama northfield race 10
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05-07-14 11:12 AM #254
BELMONT
RACE 1 Tapulous
RACJJHHHUHHUJHJJJJJJJJE 2 UnbridIIJJJled LogicLast edited by harthebar; 05-07-14 at 11:42 AM.
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05-07-14 11:43 AM #255
Keyboard niot workingdi
Last edited by harthebar; 05-07-14 at 11:47 AM.
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05-07-14 06:01 PM #256
[QUOTE=mikemca;21803033]the 2nd place horse
Just checked out T-graph's analysis of the derby on You Tube. Brown liked Commanding Curve as a live long shot with a similar pattern to Mine that Bird.
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05-07-14 06:18 PM #257
can you give me the link to this, i would like to see it, but i cant find it[QUOTE=Easy-Rider 66;21808537]
Originally Posted by mikemca
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05-07-14 06:25 PM #258
[QUOTE=harthebar;21808651]can you give me the link to this, i would like to see it, but i cant find it
Hey Hart had some trouble pasting the link. Go to You Tube and search for Thorograph Kentucky Derby. You should find it at the top of the page.
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05-07-14 06:26 PM #259
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_6N4ndPG2g
is this it
[QUOTE=harthebar;21808651]can you give me the link to this, i would like to see it, but i cant find it
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05-07-14 06:29 PM #260
[QUOTE=harthebar;21808709]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_6N4ndPG2g
is this it
Correct. Take a look let us know what you think. Did not access it this year before the derby, but wish I would have. Originally Posted by harthebar
Last edited by Easy-Rider 66; 05-07-14 at 06:34 PM.
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05-07-14 08:16 PM #261
[quote=Easy-Rider 66;21808537]
Originally Posted by mikemca
Yeah half that board was talking about the other CC for a while.Well before the analysis.
TFUS liked him also for pretty much the same reasons...this was their write up
Commanding Curve (50-1): He is our favorite bomb in the 2014 Kentucky Derby. He has improved his speed figure in every start. He had a tough time of it at the start of the Louisiana Derby. He put in a big effort to finish third. A hot pace would very much work in his favor. He draws outside but figures to be taking back and angling over as soon as the gate opens. He has a powerful Late Pace rating of 93. He figures to be a huge price. We consider him a very interesting horse in this spot.
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05-07-14 11:10 PM #262
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05-07-14 11:13 PM #263
mike ,the numbers i got shaded in red, what would they translate into a beyer
8Pink
5-1
Midwest Thoroughbreds
Clm Price: $25,000 Light Green, Black Yoke and Emblem, Black Cap
Laura Perillo ( 0-0-0-0 )
Socialsaul ¼ (L)
B.g.6 Read the Footnotes - So Social by Proud Truth, NY
122 Wilmer A Garcia
( 8-0-2-0 )
2014: 4 1 1 0 $46,790 Turf: 1 0 0 0 $395
2013: 10 2 1 1 $114,695 Off Dirt: 7 2 2 0 $108,040
Life: 29 6 7 2 $431,515 Distance: 8 2 0 1 $65,560
Bel: 9 3 2 0 $126,065 CLASS RATING: 89
04Apr14 Aqu5 gd 1N¼¾ :49¶¶1:13»¼ 1:54»^ 4g Clm 35000 108-85 3 2¸ 3¹ 2¹ 2«¬ 1¸¡ Garcia W A 118 fL 5.10 Socialsaul118¸¡ SacredGround118¶¡ Joan'sChoice118¸¶¡ chase 2p,ask 5/16pl 5
13Mar14 Aqu7 ft s 1B½¸ :47¶¶ 1:12»^ 1:44½¸ 4g Clm 50000 109-91 3 4» 6º 5»¡ 4¾ 4¶^¡ Garcia W A 118 fL 24.25 AussiAustin 119¼ Photon118¸£ Metaurus118¶£ rail to 1/2,5w upper 7
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05-08-14 11:54 AM #264
they were pretty right on with commanding curve, im just starting to read on about these numbers ,and beyers,timesform, what are the numbers called in the other form , the one i pasted , and how would you relate them to beyer, like what would a 108-85 be[QUOTE=Easy-Rider 66;21808749]
Originally Posted by harthebar
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05-08-14 12:04 PM #265
Think it is equibase or trackmaster ratings.No idea what they translate to on the beyer scale
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05-08-14 12:17 PM #266
[QUOTE=harthebar;21812969]they were pretty right on with commanding curve, im just starting to read on about these numbers ,and beyers,timesform, what are the numbers called in the other form , the one i pasted , and how would you relate them to beyer, like what would a 108-85 be
Thorograph numbers are typically referred to as sheet numbers. Ragozin sheets are their main competitor. As I understand them one of the main parameters used in sheet numbers is ground loss(Also use beaten lengths and weight differential among other factors). Not under the impression that Beyers account for ground loss. Timeform is interesting in that they incorporate pace into their final figure. Not sure what a 108-85 could be translated into.Last edited by Easy-Rider 66; 05-08-14 at 01:16 PM.
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05-10-14 02:09 PM #267
Ok guys preakness talk
who do we know thats in for sure
cc
social inclusion
ride on curlin winner
danza
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05-12-14 08:25 PM #268
PREAKNESS STAKES - ODDS TO WIN - May 14 May 14 - 6:00 PM 55555 PREAKNESS STAKES - ODDS TO WIN CALIFORNIA CHROME -200 May 14 - 6:00 PM 55556 PREAKNESS STAKES - ODDS TO WIN DANZA +700 May 14 - 6:00 PM 55557 PREAKNESS STAKES - ODDS TO WIN SOCIAL INCLUSION +800 May 14 - 6:00 PM 55558 PREAKNESS STAKES - ODDS TO WIN BAYERN +1200 May 14 - 6:00 PM 55559 PREAKNESS STAKES - ODDS TO WIN RIDE ON CURLIN +1200 May 14 - 6:00 PM 55560 PREAKNESS STAKES - ODDS TO WIN KID CRUZ +1400 May 14 - 6:00 PM 55561 PREAKNESS STAKES - ODDS TO WIN DYNAMIC IMPACT +1600 May 14 - 6:00 PM 55562 PREAKNESS STAKES - ODDS TO WIN STRONG MANDATE +1800 May 14 - 6:00 PM 55563 PREAKNESS STAKES - ODDS TO WIN GENERAL A ROD +2250 May 14 - 6:00 PM 55564 PREAKNESS STAKES - ODDS TO WIN PABLO DEL MONTE +2250 May 14 - 6:00 PM 55565 PREAKNESS STAKES - ODDS TO WIN RING WEEKEND +2250 May 14 - 6:00 PM 55566 PREAKNESS STAKES - ODDS TO WIN RIA ANTONIA +3000
PREAKNESS STAKES PROPS Lines From:05-12-2014 21:29:49 Cut Off # Type Description Odds CALIFORNIA CHROME - WIN PREAKNESS PREAKNESS STAKES PROPS - May 14 WILL CALIFORNIA CHROME WIN THE PREAKNESS STAKES ALL WAGERS HAVE ACTION May 14 - 6:00 PM 55581 CALIFORNIA CHROME - WIN PREAKNESS YES -200 May 14 - 6:00 PM 55582 CALIFORNIA CHROME - WIN PREAKNESS NO +160 WILL CALIFORNIA CHROME WIN THE TRIPLE CROWN ALL WAGERS HAVE ACTION May 14 - 6:00 PM 55583 CALIFORNIA CHROME - WIN TRIPLE CROWN YES +200 May 14 - 6:00 PM 55584 CALIFORNIA CHROME - WIN TRIPLE CROWN NO -300 Last edited by harthebar; 05-12-14 at 08:30 PM.
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05-12-14 08:35 PM #269
and if you like s c you get 8-1, i think he will get over bet
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05-12-14 08:37 PM #270
Bax Of Life is scheduled to run on 5/12/2014 in Race 7 at Woodbine
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05-12-14 08:39 PM #271
Right On Molly is scheduled to run on 5/12/2014 in Race 11 at Yonkers Raceway. 11
One more laugh yonkers race 12
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05-12-14 09:17 PM #272
So ,these sucker odds have cc at 1/2 to win the preakness, what does amyone think he will go off,
they have him 2-1 win triple crown.... Originally Posted by harthebar
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05-13-14 08:52 AM #273
anyone thinking about taking "will CC win the preakness -NO" for +160??
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05-13-14 09:22 AM #274
I just saw a picture of Social Inclusion wearing front bandages in his 1/2 mile workout .
Did he have fronts on in the Wood?
I do not recall seeing them when I watched the race but he could have.
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05-13-14 10:06 AM #275
Just watched the replay on You Tube of the Wood. Looks like SI was wearing front bandages. Originally Posted by str
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05-13-14 10:31 AM #276
NO. I would just try and bet another horse. Think there is only 1 or 2 with a real chance to beat him. If those were the odds for yes/no in the Belmont I would take no but Chrome would have to win by 10+ for that too happen with major challengers awaiting in the Belmont. Originally Posted by balls2wall
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05-13-14 10:33 AM #277
Originally Posted by harthebar
Why are they sucker odds? He opened up at offshore books at about -120 and has been bet up. He is probably going to go off at about 2/5. Is Danza running now I didnt hear that?
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05-13-14 11:45 AM #278
well i mostly met the derby odds, it would be better to play the enitre field, if you say no ...right.....you would get much better price, i dont think he will go off at 2/5 yet 1/2 i think more like 3/5 or 4/5 , i think s.c. will take a lot more money, and so will danza,, if this race was out west he would be 1/9 only joking.....slim..would you be content taking 1/2 on him....,and i think taking 2-1 to win the triple crown is a fools play, it really dosent matter, ROC will win, kid cruz...will be there....with cc...lol how is that.....I DONT THINK DANZA IS GOING TO RUN IN THE PREAKNESS...
Originally Posted by Slimpickens
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05-13-14 12:04 PM #279
I wouldnt take 1/2 on any horse ever. Just saying he will be an overwhelming favorite. I cant wait until the formulator pp's come out so I can try and see why you think Ride On Curlin is all of a sudden supposed to turn into a super horse.
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05-13-14 06:29 PM #280
Dont think he i a super horse, i dont think cc is a super horse, last super horse was big red, if cc wins the triple crown then maybe i will consider it, i think he is do, roc, i hope you saw the ride borel gave him, sure he could lose, so can anyone....i think roc getting 7th was super considering he ran, way more distance than cc.watch the replay, just him.....
Originally Posted by slimpickens
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