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  • harthebar
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 12-09-11
    • 15708

    #141
    ok, not at all what tracks you want ?
    Originally posted by JBEX
    No problem.. Yes like to have a look at them if you don't mind doing it
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    • harthebar
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 12-09-11
      • 15708

      #142
      JBEX, HELP ME OUT HERE......JUST NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS QUESTION I WROTE...



      I got a couple question's for you guys,. Lets say just so we can have some sort of range, of the derby horses...i cant go back to the b.c. Races. To long ago , and to much has changed with these horses....so that leaves with a date , and im going to use jan 1 2014 all races since then msw, allowlance , stakes and graded derby preps. All of them,

      questions
      1. Out of all the horses in the derby what 1 horse had the toughest combined competion, with in all his races...was it cc was it tapiture, who did they race , figure it out.....i mean we know its not danza, because he was lightly raced, and i'm not taking nothing away from him.....
      2. What horse had at least 3 races since the jan 1 2014
      3. How many horses that ran. In these races , now this is important, that was never passed at any point during a race, now i dont mean a dueling two horses, i mean a horse that was never completely passed in the back stretch turning for home, and not the last few feet at the finish line........he just kept moving forward...
      4. How many horses went right to lead or stayed very close,,the entire race
      5. How many horses, closed from the backstretch that were at least 8-10 lengths behind , and passed more that 6 horses.6. WHAT HORSE RACED A COMBINE WEAKEST HORSES., HAD EASY FIELDS ,...NOTE..IM NOT TAKING NOTHING AWAY FROM ANYONE



      Remember, this isnt a test,quiz.....i just want to know , what you think, there is no right or wrong answer
      name the horse, also in a few of the races he was bet down, pretty good,
      Originally posted by JBEX
      No problem.. Yes like to have a look at them if you don't mind doing it
      Last edited by harthebar; 04-29-14, 04:57 PM.
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      • Draynay
        SBR High Roller
        • 02-27-14
        • 116

        #143
        Winner is Genral A Rod..... him and Wildcat are clearly the best.
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        • Heppy10
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 05-15-09
          • 654

          #144
          i think this year hoppertunity has faced toughest combined competition, california chrome, ride on curlin, tapiture, candy boy, intense holiday, vicars in trouble, bayern
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          • Heppy10
            SBR Wise Guy
            • 05-15-09
            • 654

            #145
            Originally posted by Draynay
            Winner is Genral A Rod..... him and Wildcat are clearly the best.
            How can you be so sure when they pretty much only faced each other
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            • harthebar
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 12-09-11
              • 15708

              #146
              YES YOU ARE RIGHT, ABOUT THAT......NOW YOU MIGHT HAVE TO WATCH SOME REPLAYS, I DID , THE PUZZLE LOOKS A BIT CLEARER.., AND TOSS THE HORSES YOU KNOW YOU SHULD, DID SOCIAL INCLUSION GET IN.

              I got a couple question's for you guys,. Lets say just so we can have some sort of range, of the derby horses...i cant go back to the b.c. Races. To long ago , and to much has changed with these horses....so that leaves with a date , and im going to use jan 1 2014 all races since then msw, allowlance , stakes and graded derby preps. All of them,
              questions
              1. Out of all the horses in the derby what 1 horse had the toughest combined competion, with in all his races...was it cc was it tapiture, who did they race , figure it out.....i mean we know its not danza, because he was lightly raced, and i'm not taking nothing away from him.....
              2. What horse had at least 3 races since the jan 1 2014
              3. How many horses that ran. In these races , now this is important, that was never passed at any point during a race, now i dont mean a dueling two horses, i mean a horse that was never completely passed in the back stretch turning for home, and not the last few feet at the finish line........he just kept moving forward...
              4. How many horses went right to lead or stayed very close,,the entire race
              5. How many horses, closed from the backstretch that were at least 8-10 lengths behind , and passed more that 6 horses.
              6. WHAT HORSE RACED A COMBINE WEAKEST HORSES., HAD EASY FIELDS ,...NOTE..IM NOT TAKING NOTHING AWAY FROM ANYONE...

              Remember, this isnt a test,quiz.....i just want to know , what you think, there is no right or wrong answer
              name the horse, also in a few of the races he was bet down, pretty good,


              Originally posted by Heppy10
              i think this year hoppertunity has faced toughest combined competition, california chrome, ride on curlin, tapiture, candy boy, intense holiday, vicars in trouble, bayern
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              • Heppy10
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 05-15-09
                • 654

                #147
                What do you guys think about Dance with fate? He only had two bad races in his life, his first career race where he was off slow and pulled going 5 furlongs, and in the BC juvenile where he broke 12th and didn't show much. Besides that he hasn't come worst then second. He has a win at three different tracks which i think is a plus, and it looks like he definitely can handle the extra distance.

                The only knock on him i can see is if he's more of a turf/poly horse then a dirt horse. IMO he reminds of one of my favorite horses Animal Kingdom and he was getting the same questions if he could run on the dirt, and we know how that turned out.

                My only concern is if the track is off, if it is i might have to look elsewhere
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                • BGboothA
                  SBR MVP
                  • 08-07-08
                  • 4202

                  #148
                  Originally posted by harthebar
                  I got a couple question's for you guys,. Lets say just so we can have some sort of range, of the derby horses...i cant go back to the b.c. Races. To long ago , and to much has changed with these horses....so that leaves with a date , and im going to use jan 1 2014 all races since then msw, allowlance , stakes and graded derby preps. All of them,
                  questions
                  1. Out of all the horses in the derby what 1 horse had the toughest combined competion, with in all his races...was it cc was it tapiture, who did they race , figure it out.....i mean we know its not danza, because he was lightly raced, and i'm not taking nothing away from him.....
                  2. What horse had at least 3 races since the jan 1 2014
                  3. How many horses that ran. In these races , now this is important, that was never passed at any point during a race, now i dont mean a dueling two horses, i mean a horse that was never completely passed in the back stretch turning for home, and not the last few feet at the finish line........he just kept moving forward...
                  4. How many horses went right to lead or stayed very close,,the entire race
                  5. How many horses, closed from the backstretch that were at least 8-10 lengths behind , and passed more that 6 horses.


                  Remember, this isnt a test,quiz.....i just want to know , what you think, there is no right or wrong answer
                  name the horse, also in a few of the races he was bet down, pretty good,
                  OK hart, I will take on the homework.

                  1. Lets look at the top 5 according to Brisnet Average Class Last 3 rating. this is usually a good indicator at what kind of competition you are running against.
                  WildCat Red 121.2
                  Cali Chrome 120.7
                  General A Rod 120.5
                  Tapiture 119.4
                  Samraat 119.3

                  2. It would be easier to list the horses that haven't raced 3 races in 2014, in fact many have raced 4 times this year.
                  Danza (2)
                  Chitu (2)
                  Candy Boy (2)
                  Commanding Curve (2)

                  3. This is a loaded question. there are no horses taht were never passed. If I am reading this right, you are talking about wiring the field. This has not happened all three times. Even CaliChrome was passed out of the gate and hit the first call at 2nd and 3rd. Not sure what you mean by this one.

                  4. Define very close? These horses were never more than X lengths back during the entire race. (last 3)
                  Cali Chrome 2 lengths
                  Samraat 2 lengths
                  WildCat 1.5 legnths
                  Chitu .5 lengths
                  General A Rod 1.25 lengths

                  5. Late closers, thats a large gap.
                  Dance with Fate gained 9 spots and 7+ legnths
                  Wicked Strong gained 5 spots and 7+ lenghts
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                  • harthebar
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 12-09-11
                    • 15708

                    #149
                    Im not talking out of the gate, im talk once they settle into there race, like chrome, once he started racing he got the lead and passed evryone, i mean...like a horse that was 3ed 4th and got passed anywhere in the race, except at the finish line, ,in other words they were moving forward...hope that helps, social iclusion, he got passed pretty much at the finish line, where bayner got passed at top of stretch,....lets call it the first call 22.4 47.3 and so on........now let me ask you....who faced tougher fields. Cc or hopper
                    Originally posted by bgbootha
                    ok hart, i will take on the homework.

                    1. Lets look at the top 5 according to brisnet average class last 3 rating. This is usually a good indicator at what kind of competition you are running against.
                    Wildcat red 121.2
                    cali chrome 120.7
                    general a rod 120.5
                    tapiture 119.4
                    samraat 119.3

                    2. It would be easier to list the horses that haven't raced 3 races in 2014, in fact many have raced 4 times this year.
                    Danza (2)
                    chitu (2)
                    candy boy (2)
                    commanding curve (2)

                    3. This is a loaded question. There are no horses taht were never passed. If i am reading this right, you are talking about wiring the field. This has not happened all three times. Even calichrome was passed out of the gate and hit the first call at 2nd and 3rd. Not sure what you mean by this one.

                    4. Define very close? These horses were never more than x lengths back during the entire race. (last 3)
                    cali chrome 2 lengths
                    samraat 2 lengths
                    wildcat 1.5 legnths
                    chitu .5 lengths
                    general a rod 1.25 lengths

                    5. Late closers, thats a large gap.
                    Dance with fate gained 9 spots and 7+ legnths
                    wicked strong gained 5 spots and 7+ lenghts
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                    • kcburg
                      SBR MVP
                      • 12-30-10
                      • 1219

                      #150
                      finally a horse racing thread..
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                      • BGboothA
                        SBR MVP
                        • 08-07-08
                        • 4202

                        #151
                        Originally posted by harthebar
                        now let me ask you....who faced tougher fields. Cc or hopper
                        This is such a difficult task to answer. Because for the most part we have no real comparison. Lets use their last 3 starts

                        CC raced against
                        Tamarando
                        Midnight Hawk
                        Kristo
                        SchoolofHardKnocks
                        Hoppertunity
                        Candy Boy
                        Dublin Up

                        Hoppertunity raced against
                        *California Chrome
                        Candy Boy
                        Dublin Up
                        Tapiture
                        Ride On Curlin
                        Strong Mandate
                        *Intense Holiday
                        *Albano
                        *Vicars in Trouble
                        Commanding Curve
                        Rise Up

                        *Lost to.

                        I am not sure how this helps you or how it explains it.


                        Lets look at some Brisnet Numbers

                        CC Average Race Rating = 116
                        Hoppertunity Average Race Rating = 116

                        Average Class Rating
                        CC = 116.8
                        Hop 116.6

                        Do what you will with that.....I will work on your other question this evening after I get a beer.
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                        • CaptainBodgit
                          SBR Rookie
                          • 11-02-10
                          • 6

                          #152
                          i will only play 1 horse that ive liked for sometime...Commanding Curve
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                          • JBEX
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 01-02-12
                            • 23425

                            #153
                            Originally posted by harthebar
                            ok, not at. all what tracks you want ?
                            Sorry for not getting back sooner. Meadowlands, Yonkers, Woodbine.. Anything
                            but the smallest venues interest me. Just once or twice a week would
                            be fine. Like to not only look at that nights races but see if my
                            running line method worked in any of their past races.

                            As far as your questions related to the Derby contenders like strength of fields
                            and horses passed it's just not my style to cap that way. I need a drf and to see
                            the whole thing in front of me to make a decision. Get a feel for it fairly quick and
                            for my purposes the advance talk and going by what I've seen in the preps doesn't
                            help me much. I'm guessing it'll be in Fridays form which will be out tomorrow so
                            I'll get to see it soon enough
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                            • Draynay
                              SBR High Roller
                              • 02-27-14
                              • 116

                              #154
                              Originally posted by BGboothA
                              This is such a difficult task to answer. Because for the most part we have no real comparison. Lets use their last 3 starts







                              CC raced against
                              Tamarando
                              Midnight Hawk
                              Kristo
                              SchoolofHardKnocks
                              Hoppertunity
                              Candy Boy
                              Dublin Up

                              Hoppertunity raced against
                              *California Chrome
                              Candy Boy
                              Dublin Up
                              Tapiture
                              Ride On Curlin
                              Strong Mandate
                              *Intense Holiday
                              *Albano
                              *Vicars in Trouble
                              Commanding Curve
                              Rise Up

                              *Lost to.

                              I am not sure how this helps you or how it explains it.


                              Lets look at some Brisnet Numbers

                              CC Average Race Rating = 116
                              Hoppertunity Average Race Rating = 116

                              Average Class Rating
                              CC = 116.8
                              Hop 116.6

                              Do what you will with that.....I will work on your other question this evening after I get a beer.
                              Great post.... and the reason I am tossing CC
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                              • joeyp1222
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 01-01-09
                                • 5186

                                #155
                                Heres my 5 early picks
                                wildcat red
                                vicars in trouble
                                samraat
                                california chrome
                                tapiture
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                                • Heppy10
                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                  • 05-15-09
                                  • 654

                                  #156
                                  All speed horses joey, you dont like any closers?
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                                  • mikemca
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 03-10-10
                                    • 10047

                                    #157
                                    Pre pps

                                    1st-Wicked Strong
                                    2nd-Hoppertunity
                                    3rd-Intense Holiday
                                    4th-Medal Count
                                    5th-Danza
                                    6th-California Chrome
                                    7th-Samraat
                                    8th-Genral A Rod
                                    9th-Ride On Curlin
                                    10th-Dance With Fate
                                    11th-Candy Boy
                                    12th-Commanding Curve
                                    13th-Uncle Sigh
                                    14th-Vicars In Trouble
                                    15th-Wildcat Red
                                    16th-Harrys Holiday
                                    17th-Tapiture
                                    18th-Vinceremos
                                    19th-We Miss Artie
                                    20th-Chitu
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                                    • BGboothA
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 08-07-08
                                      • 4202

                                      #158
                                      Originally posted by joeyp1222
                                      Heres my 5 early picks
                                      wildcat red
                                      vicars in trouble
                                      samraat
                                      california chrome
                                      tapiture
                                      Well Joey, if you substitute Intense Holiday for Vicar's in Trouble we are either both going to be happy or both going to be sad. Still looking at stuff though, and post draw will tell me a lot more about my feelings on Vicar's Wildcat and Samraat
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                                      • harthebar
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 12-09-11
                                        • 15708

                                        #159
                                        very close....meaning ...... that type of race .....
                                        1 5 Hoppertunity $14.20 $5.80 $4.20
                                        2 3 Tapiture - $3.80 $2.60
                                        3 2 Ride On Curlin - - $4.60
                                        4 4 Strong Mandate
                                        Originally posted by BGboothA
                                        This is such a difficult task to answer. Because for the most part we have no real comparison. Lets use their last 3 starts

                                        CC raced against
                                        Tamarando
                                        Midnight Hawk
                                        Kristo
                                        SchoolofHardKnocks
                                        Hoppertunity
                                        Candy Boy
                                        Dublin Up

                                        Hoppertunity raced against
                                        *California Chrome
                                        Candy Boy
                                        Dublin Up
                                        Tapiture
                                        Ride On Curlin
                                        Strong Mandate
                                        *Intense Holiday
                                        *Albano
                                        *Vicars in Trouble
                                        Commanding Curve
                                        Rise Up

                                        *Lost to.

                                        I am not sure how this helps you or how it explains it.


                                        Lets look at some Brisnet Numbers

                                        CC Average Race Rating = 116
                                        Hoppertunity Average Race Rating = 116

                                        Average Class Rating
                                        CC = 116.8
                                        Hop 116.6

                                        Do what you will with that.....I will work on your other question this evening after I get a beer.
                                        Originally posted by BGboothA
                                        OK hart, I will take on the homework.

                                        1. Lets look at the top 5 according to Brisnet Average Class Last 3 rating. this is usually a good indicator at what kind of competition you are running against.
                                        WildCat Red 121.2
                                        Cali Chrome 120.7
                                        General A Rod 120.5
                                        Tapiture 119.4
                                        Samraat 119.3

                                        2. It would be easier to list the horses that haven't raced 3 races in 2014, in fact many have raced 4 times this year.
                                        Danza (2)
                                        Chitu (2)
                                        Candy Boy (2)
                                        Commanding Curve (2)

                                        3. This is a loaded question. there are no horses taht were never passed. If I am reading this right, you are talking about wiring the field. This has not happened all three times. Even CaliChrome was passed out of the gate and hit the first call at 2nd and 3rd. Not sure what you mean by this one.

                                        4. Define very close? These horses were never more than X lengths back during the entire race. (last 3)
                                        Cali Chrome 2 lengths
                                        Samraat 2 lengths
                                        WildCat 1.5 legnths
                                        Chitu .5 lengths
                                        General A Rod 1.25 lengths

                                        5. Late closers, thats a large gap.
                                        Dance with Fate gained 9 spots and 7+ legnths
                                        Wicked Strong gained 5 spots and 7+ lenghts
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                                        • joeyp1222
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 01-01-09
                                          • 5186

                                          #160
                                          Originally posted by BGboothA
                                          Well Joey, if you substitute Intense Holiday for Vicar's in Trouble we are either both going to be happy or both going to be sad. Still looking at stuff though, and post draw will tell me a lot more about my feelings on Vicar's Wildcat and Samraat

                                          i too am waiting for the draw to tell me if wildcat is my top choice looking for about 8 different
                                          post positions to go with
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                                          • Draynay
                                            SBR High Roller
                                            • 02-27-14
                                            • 116

                                            #161
                                            Great post for the top 2.... General A Rod and Wildcat.

                                            A speed horse inside and outside of CC ..... instant toss !
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                                            • mikemca
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 03-10-10
                                              • 10047

                                              #162
                                              Battaglia lost his mind with some of these mls



                                              1-Vicars In Trouble 30-1
                                              2-Harrys Holiday 50-1
                                              3-Uncle Sigh 30-1
                                              4-Danza 10-1
                                              5-Cal Chrome 5-2
                                              6-Samraat 15-1
                                              7-We Miss Artie 50-1
                                              8-General A rod 15-1
                                              9-Vinceremos 30-1
                                              10-Wildcat Red 15-1
                                              11-Hoppertunity 6-1
                                              12-Dance With Fate 20-1
                                              13-Chitu 20-1
                                              14-Medal Count 20-1
                                              15-Tapiture
                                              16-Intense Holiday 12-1
                                              17-Commanding Curve 50-1
                                              18-Candy Boy 20-1
                                              19-Ride On Curlin 15-1
                                              20-Wicked Strong 8-1
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                                              • sandyw123
                                                SBR Sharp
                                                • 07-28-11
                                                • 307

                                                #163
                                                Well, 3 of my top 4 drew good positions I think (General A Rod, Danza, and Dance with Fate). Ride on Curlin not so much. I'll have to find an alternative. Probably either Samraat or Wildcat Red.
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                                                • harthebar
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 12-09-11
                                                  • 15708

                                                  #164
                                                  mike how did they draw this year, i didnt see, do they , pick from a container and they go right down the line, example, post 1 they pick and pull out a horses name.....or do the ask pick and see who has first pick, and they ..the owner /trianer pick the spot...if so who had first pick
                                                  Originally posted by mikemca
                                                  Battaglia lost his mind with some of these mls



                                                  1-Vicars In Trouble 30-1
                                                  2-Harrys Holiday 50-1
                                                  3-Uncle Sigh 30-1
                                                  4-Danza 10-1
                                                  5-Cal Chrome 5-2
                                                  6-Samraat 15-1
                                                  7-We Miss Artie 50-1
                                                  8-General A rod 15-1
                                                  9-Vinceremos 30-1
                                                  10-Wildcat Red 15-1
                                                  11-Hoppertunity 6-1
                                                  12-Dance With Fate 20-1
                                                  13-Chitu 20-1
                                                  14-Medal Count 20-1
                                                  15-Tapiture
                                                  16-Intense Holiday 12-1
                                                  17-Commanding Curve 50-1
                                                  18-Candy Boy 20-1
                                                  19-Ride On Curlin 15-1
                                                  20-Wicked Strong 8-1
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                                                  • mikemca
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 03-10-10
                                                    • 10047

                                                    #165
                                                    they pick a name(horse) and a pill(post)

                                                    It's random..no one gets to choose anything


                                                    Vicars In Trouble drew #1 right off the bat
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                                                    • Easy-Rider 66
                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                      • 02-14-12
                                                      • 36100

                                                      #166
                                                      Originally posted by harthebar
                                                      mike how did they draw this year, i didnt see, do they , pick from a container and they go right down the line, example, post 1 they pick and pull out a horses name.....or do the ask pick and see who has first pick, and they ..the owner /trianer pick the spot...if so who had first pick
                                                      Random draw. They changed it last year from a system where a Horse was drawn and the connections had the option to pick the post.
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                                                      • harthebar
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 12-09-11
                                                        • 15708

                                                        #167
                                                        mike ,what are your post, the one's you like the most, do you like where wicked is at 20 where would you prefer him to be, im just trying to get a read on this
                                                        Originally posted by mikemca
                                                        they pick a name(horse) and a pill(post)

                                                        It's random..no one gets to choose anything


                                                        Vicars In Trouble drew #1 right off the bat
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                                                        • mikemca
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 03-10-10
                                                          • 10047

                                                          #168
                                                          Originally posted by harthebar
                                                          mike ,what are your post, the one's you like the most, do you like where wicked is at 20 where would you prefer him to be, im just trying to get a read on this
                                                          No don't like the 20 spot.He can still win as 2 of the last 5 winners have had the far outside post and 3 of last 5 came from aux gate but hard to take single digits.Will still use him but now looking toward Danza/Medal Count over Wicked Strong ,Hoppertunity,and Intense Holiday.

                                                          PPs still not up yet so nothing set in stone
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                                                          • harthebar
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 12-09-11
                                                            • 15708

                                                            #169
                                                            what do you mean they arent up yet ???the PPS
                                                            Originally posted by mikemca
                                                            No don't like the 20 spot.He can still win as 2 of the last 5 winners have had the far outside post and 3 of last 5 came from aux gate but hard to take single digits.Will still use him but now looking toward Danza/Medal Count over Wicked Strong ,Hoppertunity,and Intense Holiday.

                                                            PPs still not up yet so nothing set in stone
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                                                            • mikemca
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 03-10-10
                                                              • 10047

                                                              #170
                                                              past performances aren't out yet
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                                                              • harthebar
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 12-09-11
                                                                • 15708

                                                                #171
                                                                thats what i call a brain fart, i was thinking post numbers.. ....da

                                                                as far as your comment about battag....morning lines, what do you like the most and whats the worst, i think wicked strong 8-1 should be higher, cc 5/2 to low then you go to hopp at 6-1 i was watching some past derbys, and i saw that if you have post 16-20 and some speed, its not that bad, post 1-5 your buried, ....at least with wicked strong he should stay out of trouble....
                                                                Originally posted by mikemca
                                                                past performances aren't out yet
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                                                                • Draynay
                                                                  SBR High Roller
                                                                  • 02-27-14
                                                                  • 116

                                                                  #172
                                                                  Todd Pletcher Racing Stables: Horses, Stallions, Kentucky Horse Farm.
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                                                                  • harthebar
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 12-09-11
                                                                    • 15708

                                                                    #173
                                                                    Happy hunting fellows its here the pps for the derby


                                                                    [ATTACH]68155[/ATTACH]
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                                                                    • StackinGreen
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 10-09-10
                                                                      • 12140

                                                                      #174
                                                                      anyone got drf pps?
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                                                                      • harthebar
                                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                                        • 12-09-11
                                                                        • 15708

                                                                        #175
                                                                        Yes they are right above your last blog
                                                                        [ATTACH]68161[/ATTACH]
                                                                        Originally posted by stackingreen
                                                                        anyone got drf pps?

                                                                        YOU GET THEM,,ARE THEY OPENING UP OK
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