Kentucky derby thread thoughts and predictions . Keep it going only derby picks

[mikemca]

give me cairo prince to finish worse then 4th

He is a tricky read but one thing I am sure of is that he was not 100% wound up for his last race.

Wildcat Red who no one has been able to get by except one horse not in the race and who would be favored to win if the race was a mile is going to suddenly spit the bit with the lead at the top of the stretch and let 7 horses go by him...... you have to be kidding. Cairo Prince has done nothing but win and facing 3 of the best in the Florida Derby and him finishing right behind them after a 9 week layoff sets him up perfectly for the Derby. He is the only horse in the race that has been really good at 2 and 3. If you think there are 3 horses better than him.... where have they been hiding for 2 years ?

General A rod didn't pass him in the Gulfstream Park Derby?There is a huge difference between a mile and 1 1/4 and I'm not so sure he would be favored at a mile unless it was at GP maybe.
His races that you are enamored with ,he and 2 or 3 others ran 1-2 or 1-2-3 around the track and if you look even deeper when they entered the stretch hardly anyone improved positions in the whole field.

[TonyP]

Finaly have my laptop connected to a flat screen hd tv with a hdmi cable thought you might get a laugh out of that Mike

[Draynay]

As a 3 year old Wildcat Red has been as tough as any horse can be.... There aren't many horses better than him and he will be tough to get by in mid stretch.... the only horse I see doing it is Cairo Prince.

[Slimpickens]

Now 2 of the 3 horses you have been touting Draynay out of the Derby. #GamblingGods

[BGboothA]

Ouch! Cairo Prince out of the Derby.

Changes a few things for some people....

[mikemca]

Now 2 of the 3 horses you have been touting Draynay out of the Derby. #GamblingGods

It's his wallet practicing voodoo

[Slimpickens]

It's his wallet practicing voodoo

I really think California Chrome is gonna be a /5 odds now with the 3rd and 4th choices scratching. Wicked Strong will be a solid 2nd choice and I think Danza kinda by default will be 3rd or 4th choice.

[Draynay]

Mikemca..... it gets worse !

I liked Top Billing too ! These horses are dropping like flies. Two Florida Derby horses out with only 2 left.... and I don't think Wildcat has worked out yet.....

[mikemca]

I really think California Chrome is gonna be a /5 odds now with the 3rd and 4th choices scratching. Wicked Strong will be a solid 2nd choice and I think Danza kinda by default will be 3rd or 4th choice.

If Social Inclusion happens to get in he will take a lot of money too .

I liked Top Billing too ! These horses are dropping like flies. Two Florida Derby horses out with only 2 left.... and I don't think Wildcat has worked out yet.....

Social Inclusion is legit.He is the only one that might knock me off Wicked Strong.

[Draynay]

For the 10th time....

SI is going to the Preakness. And has no chance of winning.

[mikemca]

SI is going to the Preakness. And has no chance of winning.

If they get into the derby they are going there(1)("If we can make the Derby, we're going to go").You're like (2)The Onion of forum posters.You state everything as if it's 100% fact but it's the opposite.You should try listening instead of spewing nonsense.


1. http://www.kentuckyderby.com/news/20...uses-preakness
2. http://www.theonion.com/section/sports/?ref=auto

[Slimpickens]

If Social Inclusion happens to get in he will take a lot of money too .



Social Inclusion is legit.He is the only one that might knock me off Wicked Strong.

I agree about SI. He was giant in the Wood considering how wide he was and how the track was playing. I would definetly like to see him get in but I think it's fairly unlikely.

[Slimpickens]

Anyone who likes Wicked Strong should be betting him at 10-1 at 5dimes. No way he's double digit odd's at the off.

[Draynay]

To show you just how bad racing is in California Midnight Hawk went to the Illinois Derby to race against some pretty bad horse and LOST. Stakes winner in California and 2nd place finisher to CC couldn't beat a rag tag field. I wouldn't bet a dime on CC to do anything in the Derby.

[Slimpickens]

I knew that post was coming Draynay. LOL.

[BGboothA]

To show you just how bad racing is in California Midnight Hawk went to the Illinois Derby to race against some pretty bad horse and LOST. Stakes winner in California and 2nd place finisher to CC couldn't beat a rag tag field. I wouldn't bet a dime on CC to do anything in the Derby.

I would have been off by a couple of words, but this is exactly what I thought I was going to read from you. And you have a valid point if CC was anywhere near the others in CA when they finished.

Midnight Hawk doesn't have the distance needed for the ILL, most knew that going into it. At this rate SI has a pretty good chance of making the churchill gates!

[dballard125]

I knew that post was coming Draynay. LOL.

They're laughing at this clown, Draynay, over on the HRT forum. Seriously. Apparently his predictions were so atrocious over there, that they consider any horse he promotes to be jinxed. They're loving it that he's bashing Chrome.

[BGboothA]

They're laughing at this clown, Draynay, over on the HRT forum. Seriously. Apparently his predictions were so atrocious over there, that they consider any horse he promotes to be jinxed. They're loving it that he's bashing Chrome.

Thats great...always nice to see the same people use the same names on other forums.

[Draynay]

Draynay is Draynay everywhere !

I use the same name on all the blogs and most people know who I am on facebook. Unlike nearly everyone else I let it be known who I am. I am a Florida racing fan and believe that most of the talent in the country races in Florida. This year is no different. As far as people at HRT ? All 4 of them wouldn't know how to pick a Derby winner if it fell out of the sky landed on their face and wiggled.

If you are on CC for the Derby good for you but he isn't going to win a thing outside of California. He is a State Champion just like the Poly Champion Mare before him.

[BGboothA]

Just read that Ring Weekend hasn't worked out at all yet? Looks like we could lose another one. COmmanding Curve on Deck with Bayern in the hole and SI to follow.

[harthebar]

based on this list who is out for sure

1	California Chrome	Art Sherman	150	$782,250
2	Vicar's in Trouble	Mike Maker	120	$760,000
3	Dance With Fate	Peter Eurton	108	$600,000
4	Wicked Strong	Jimmy Jerkens	102	$640,000
5	Samraat	Rick Violette Jr.	100	$650,000
6	Danza	Todd Pletcher	100	$620,000
7	Constitution	Todd Pletcher	100	$600,000
8	Hoppertunity	Bob Baffert	95	$576,000
9	Intense Holiday	Todd Pletcher	93	$527,500
10	Wildcat Red	Jose Garrofalo	90	$665,500
11	We Miss Artie	Todd Pletcher	60	$544,000
12	Ride on Curlin	Billy Gowan	55	$354,387
13	Chitu	Bob Baffert	54	$440,000
14	Tapiture	Steve Asmussen	52	$470,378
15	Midnight Hawk	Bob Baffert	52	$320,500
16	Ring Weekend	H. Graham Motion	50	$260,000
17	General a Rod	Mike Maker	40	$240,000
18	Medal Count	Dale Romans	40	$226,500
19	Candy Boy	John Sadler	30	$380,000
20	Cairo Prince	Kiaran McLaughlin	24	$520,000
21	Uncle Sigh	Gary Contessa	24	$180,000
22	Vinceremos	Todd Pletcher	20	$191,666
23	Harry's Holiday	Mike Maker	20	$152,622
24	Commanding Curve	Dallas Stewart	20	$140,000
25	Pablo Del Monte	Wesley Ward	20	$102,000
26	Bayern	Bob Baffert	20	$100,000
27	Social Inclusion	Manny Azpurua	20	$100,000

[BGboothA]

Constitution
Cairo Prince
Midnight Hawk

Are all out from my notes.

Derby Preview

[TonyP]

7 and 20 for sure

[Draynay]

These 3 jump off the page....

Wildcat Red, Wicked Strong, and my pick General A Rod.

[Slimpickens]

Baffert is planning on running Chitu in the Derby Trial this Saturday at Churchill, and supposedly is gonna run in the Derby too if he runs well.

[Heppy10]

Medal Count is my longshot bet right now

[Draynay]

No good reason to do this at all.....

I can't toss Chitu and Medal Count far enough......

[BGboothA]

Baffert is planning on running Chitu in the Derby Trial this Saturday at Churchill, and supposedly is gonna run in the Derby too if he runs well.

Yeah I just read this as well. Interesting, I like Chitu and think he could make a great miler. But I don't see him in the Derby picture.

[harthebar]

thanks

Constitution
Cairo Prince
Midnight Hawk

Are all out from my notes.

Derby Preview

[harthebar]

By the way ...that is impressive.....you should stand outside churchill and sell it.

yeah i just read this as well. Interesting, i like chitu and think he could make a great miler. But i don't see him in the derby picture.

[Slimpickens]

Yeah I just read this as well. Interesting, I like Chitu and think he could make a great miler. But I don't see him in the Derby picture.

I agree. Chitu's form was hardly flattered by the results of the Illinois Derby. Sure hope he doesnt go in derby. Makes room for other horses with a better chance to enter. Sure hope it doesnt go to Pablo Del Monte though. He would be the favorite to finish last.

[harthebar]

Bgbooth did you hear if bravo is going to stay on danza ?

yeah i just read this as well. Interesting, i like chitu and think he could make a great miler. But i don't see him in the derby picture.

[harthebar]

Bayern 25/1
Cairo Prince 14/1
California Chrome 2/1
Candy Boy 25/1
General A Rod 25/1
Hoppertunity 14/1
Intense Holiday 20/1
Mexikoma 33/1
Midnight Hawk 33/1
Noble Moon 50/1
Ride On Curlin 25/1
Samraat 20/1
Social Inclusion 20/1
Strong Mandate 33/1
Tap It Rich 50/1
Tapiture 20/1
Uncle Sigh 40/1
Vicars In Trouble 10/1
Wildcat Red 16/1
Chitu 25/1
We Miss Artie 33/1
Ring Weekend 25/1
Wicked Strong 8/1
Danza 8/1
Medal Count 33/1

[harthebar]

Kentucky Derby Futures as of February 22:
1. Bobby's Kitten 45-1
2. Cairo Prince 10-1
3. California Chrome 60-1
4. Candy Boy 20-1
5. Commissioner 28-1
6. Conquest Titan 35-1
7. Havana 40-1
8. Honor Code 12-1
9. Indianapolis 35-1
10.Intense Holiday 30-1
11. Kristo 50-1
12. Matterhorn 75-1
13. Midnight Hawk 40-1
14. Noble Moon 45-1
15. Rise Up 45-1
16. Samraat 50-1
17. Shared Belief 15-1
18. Strong Mandate 15-1
19. Tapiture 28-1
20. Tonalist 65-1
21. Top Billing 14-1
22. Uncle Sigh 75-1
23. Vicar's in Trouble 20-1

[BGboothA]

Bgbooth did you hear if bravo is going to stay on danza ?

I have not heard that confirmed as of yet. Many of the jockeys are still unconfirmed and will be until this weeks workouts shake out a little.