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  • Ladle
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 03-21-11
    • 835

    #176
    UFC Live: Marquardt vs. Story

    Lots of awesome underdog bets on this card. Spent a fair amount of time writing this up, so hopefully some of you find it useful/interesting.

    10.52 units on Cheick Kongo at -165 to win 6.36 units
    10.52 units on Cheick Kongo at -175 to win 6.02 units
    6 units on Cheick Kongo at -175 to win 3.42 units


    2 units on a three-team parlay of Cormier, Bader and Kongo to win 2.86 units

    This is easily one of the most generous lines of the year so far, and even at -200, the odds still aren't anywhere near long enough. I guess the line has been tempered by a few things, such as people's inaccurate perception of Kongo as a striker, Kongo's five-year gatekeeper status, and the general love for Pat Barry. All of that is good news for smart bettors, because this is an absolute steal at these odds.

    For anyody picking Barry to win tomorrow night, I would advise you to watch Kongo's fight against Paul Buentello. You'll see what happens when Kongo faces a one-dimensional striker. Rather than throwing down and engaging in a stand-up fight, he instead immediately closes the distance and forces Buentello up against the cage. From there, he knees away at his legs before eventually taking him down and beating him up some more. Rinse and repeat for two more rounds until Buentello eventually realises there's nothing he can do about it and taps to thigh strikes. I think we may very well get a similar looking fight tomorrow night, as although Barry is a better striker than Buentello, that's not particularly relevant when you consider the kind of gameplan which Kongo always favours against strikers. Rather, what's relevant is the fact that he's probably equally as deficient in all areas of grappling as Buentello, and that's exactly what Kongo will look to exploit. Blunty put, Barry has given us no reason to think that he could stop Kongo from enforcing his cage-hustle-takedown routine. If Joey Beltran was able to muscle Barry around for periods of their fight, and tag him repeatedly up against the cage, is it even feasible that he can stop Kongo from doing the same - and worse? I don't think it is. Kongo is much bigger than Joey Beltran, much stronger, more powerful, and a better grappler.

    It's also worth mentioning that Kongo's top game is underrated, most notably his ground and pound. He linked together a really brutal series of punches and elbows against Mostapha Al-Turk, and the combo was synthesized in such a way that it became practically unblockable. If he can unload the same heavy artillery on Barry once he gets on top, the fight probably isn't going to last long. I probably sound like I'm writing Barry off entirely here, but I genuinely find it difficult to envisage him winning. Of course he's got that puncher's chance, but Barry isn't exactly a one-shot kill artist. Yes, he has capacity to end fights quickly, but it tends to take more than one strike for him to finish someone off. I just can't imagine him getting the opportunity to string together any offense here. Kongo is going to be on him like stink on cheese.

    2.5 units on Javier Vazquez at +215 to win 5.38 units


    Caught the Sportsbook opener on this one. Vazquez is an super talented featherweight. He's extremely well-rounded: a decent striker with an excellent lead left, a competent offensive and defensive wrestler (though we don't see it too often), and evidently a total stud on the ground. Although Stevenson will be the bigger man, I do consider Vazquez to be the more skilled fighter in most areas. I feel like he might be undervalued here because of his WEC record, but while it stands as 2-3, it actually deserves to be 3-1-1 (he clearly won every single round aginst L.C. Davis, and the final round against Deividas Taurosevicius should have been scored a 10-8). Unfortunately, Vazquez's problem in the past has been his inability to follow a gameplan; as we saw in the Chad Mendes fight, he's far too comfortable fighting off of his back. That may be a problem if Stevenson is able to take him down early on in rounds.

    As for Joe Daddy, his back was firmly up against the wall at 155. Just by looking at the guys he beat and lost to, it was clear that he was no longer good enough to get close to another title shot in such a talent-rich division. His chances of being a contender again automatically improve by dropping to 145, but his first fight is against someone who is immensely skilled. Is Stevenson's size advantage really going to stop Vazquez from taking him to task on the feet? Is it going to stop Vazquez from using his underrated wrestling to get takedowns of his own? I don't think so. In addition to that, who knows how Stevenson is going to look after this weight cut. He was very lean at 155, so you've got to believe that he was only cutting muscle to reach 145. Couple that with the wear and tear that goes hand-in-hand with fighting for twelve years, and I think we could potentially see a very physically depreciated Joe Daddy tomorrow night.

    0.5 units on Christian Morecraft at +225 to win 1.12 units
    1.5 units on Christian Morecraft +250 to win 2.75 units


    Another hugely undervalued dog. Although I favour Mitrione in this fight due to the considerable striking advantage (Morecraft tends to wade in with his chin exposed when trying to close the distance), this line should absolutely be closer. Mitrione's defensive wrestling hasn't looked good in any of his fights where it was put to the test: he lost the first round to a nearly dead Marcus Jones because he was taken down multiple times, and also lost the first round to Joey Beltran due to getting out-wrestled. Neither of the aforementioned fighters are particularly good grapplers, and Morecraft's wrestling has seemingly improved leaps and bounds since entering the UFC. As well as that, unlike Beltran and Jones, he's very active on top. He put a beating on Struve and McCorkle from guard and side control, and pulled off a nifty pass to mount against Struve. He's also proven that he's fairly submission-savvy, strangling Diekmann immediately upon taking him down, and - more recently - impressively choking out McCorkle with a standing guillotine choke. I think this is pretty significant as Mitrione's submission defense hasn't properly been tested yet.

    Of course, Mitrione is improving rapidly from fight to fight, and training under the tutelage of Tom Erikson is only going to be a good thing for his wrestling. That said, given everything we've seen from both fighters at this point in time, everyone should be all over Morecraft at these odds.

    1 unit on Matt Brown at +215 to win 2.15 units


    Yet another seriously undervalued dog. John Howard is flat-out overrated due to his UFC record and I'm assuming that's what's contributed to the inaccurate line here. Howard actually deserves to be 1-5 in the UFC: he got the fat end of the stick in decisions against Chris Wilson and Tamdan McCrory, and he would have lost to Dennis Hallman if it wasn't for Josh Rosenthal's absolutely awful stand-up towards the very end of the final round, which led to Hallman getting clobbered. Essentially, his only legitimate win within the UFC is against Daniel Roberts. While I do favour Howard in this fight due to the power advantage - which is really the only outstanding aspect of his game - the line here certainly deserves to be closer.

    Matt Brown hasn't had much success in the UFC as of late, but there's no doubt that he's a gamer. While his submission defense has been his achilles heel in recent fights, that's not something he has to be concerned with against Doomsday. I think Brown's best shot at victory here is starting fast; he has a history of absolutely housing his opponents in the first round, and if he comes out with the same aggression that has brought him so much success in the past, I like his chances in this one. As well as that, I think Brown has more offensive grappling skills than advertised. He cruised straight to mount against Brian Foster, gained mount on James Wilks through the use of his guillotine, and was even able to take Dong-Hyun Kim down. Would definitely like to see some of that on display in this fight, especially in light of Howard's dubious grappling ability.

    2.2 units on Nate Marquardt at +120 to win 2.64 units


    Story is the flavour of the month right now, and that's what I attribute to Marquardt being undervalued here. Although Chael Sonnen provided the blueprint on how to beat Marquardt, I'm not sure if Story is a skilled enough wrestler to be able to follow that blueprint; I think he lacks the technical acuity and explosive first step. As for Marquardt, I feel like he's the bigger, more well-rounded striker who can out-kickbox Story whilst keeping his distance. Also, while his defensive wrestling has got him in trouble in the past, I think the Okami fight showed us that he's taken steps to improve that aspect of his game. I doubt Story is going to able to secure many clean takedowns, and as Marquardt will be the bigger, stronger man, I like his chances of winning the clinch battle up against the cage (which is where Story really shines). Nate The Great at better than even money is an excellent bet in my opinion.

    1.4 units on Rich Attonito at -115 to win 1.22 units


    Was hoping to see Attonito as the underdog here, but I'll take him at -115. I feel like he's a decent enough wrestler to sprawl and brawl on Roberts, and get a few well-chosen takedowns of his own once Roberts gasses out - incidentally, a very similar strategy to the one he employed against 'Sapo' Natal. Simply put, unless Ninja can get an early submission, I really don't like his chances here. Firstly, Attonito has decent cardio and is a competent boxer. Both of those attributes are going to really pose some problems for Roberts, chiefly because Ninja's striking and gas tank looked woefully deficient against Claude Patrick a little under two months ago. I doubt he's had adequate time to make any significant improvements in either of those areas in such a short period of time. Secondly, although Roberts is the superior submission grappler, Attonito showed in the Branch fight that he can survive on the ground against a legit black belt. Even though Branch is more of a positional grappler, he's also a lot bigger than Daniel Roberts, and a lot of his game plan in that fight revolved around overpowering Attonito up against the fence and dragging him to the mat from there (keep in mind that Attonito formerly fought at 185). Roberts won't enjoy the same size advantage that Branch did, as Attonito will be the slightly bigger man. I think we see him really put it on Roberts if this fight gets out of the first round, possibly leading to a stoppage.

    2.2 units on Nik Lentz at +175 to win 3.85 units


    I think the most salient point about this fight is that the area in which Lentz excels and thrives is the same area in which Oliveira is totally deficient. It's difficult to assess just how threatening Oliveira is capable of being from guard against a strong top position grappler, but you've got to believe that Lentz has been working on his submission defense all camp long. Oliveira's bottom game is very crafty, so there's certainly a chance that he could catch Lentz with something at some juncture, but at +185, that's a chance I'm more than happy to take. Also, it's worth noting that Lentz doesn't necessarily need to engage Oliveira in a ground fight; he could just as easily force him up against the cage and maintain control there, like he did for prolonged periods against Andre Winner. Obviously it might lead to a separation, but it's the safer route against a submission specialist, so I think it might be something which we see Lentz make use of repeatedly (in his pursuit to legitimise himself as the lightweight equivalent of Jon Fitch).
    Last edited by Ladle; 06-24-11, 08:46 PM.
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    • koscheckbaby
      SBR MVP
      • 04-05-10
      • 1314

      #177
      You got me considering a Vazquez play. Stevenson is pretty shitty off his back for a black belt. Could Vazquez put him there
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      • Ladle
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 03-21-11
        • 835

        #178
        Originally posted by koscheckbaby
        You got me considering a Vazquez play. Stevenson is pretty shitty off his back for a black belt. Could Vazquez put him there
        Go for it. People forget that Vazquez is fundamentally a wrestler - and a good one at that. I'd say he's definitely got the takedowns to put Joe Daddy on the mat.
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        • Ladle
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 03-21-11
          • 835

          #179
          1.8 units on Charlie Brenneman by decision at +710 to win 12.77 units

          Brenneman has a lot of value outright at over +300, but this line is much, much better, as I don't see how he finishes Story.

          While Brenneman is a bit of a one trick pony in terms of his skill set, he's still a solid, unheralded welterweight. He's well conditioned, a good athlete, and - most importantly - an excellent wrestler. If he can avoid brawling with Story, I think it's totally plausible that he could out-wrestle him en route to a decision win. Love this bet.
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          • FlashinLeather
            SBR Wise Guy
            • 01-04-11
            • 573

            #180
            Originally posted by Ladle
            1.8 units on Charlie Brenneman by decision at +710 to win 12.77 units

            Brenneman has a lot of value outright at over +300, but this line is much, much better, as I don't see how he finishes Story.

            While Brenneman is a bit of a one trick pony in terms of his skill set, he's still a solid, unheralded welterweight. He's well conditioned, a good athlete, and - most importantly - an excellent wrestler. If he can avoid brawling with Story, I think it's totally plausible that he could out-wrestle him en route to a decision win. Love this bet.
            Nice hit hommie!!!
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            • xelance
              SBR MVP
              • 11-25-10
              • 1750

              #181
              wow, great hit bud!
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              • Eccocide
                SBR MVP
                • 01-12-09
                • 2126

                #182
                Great job Ladle!
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                • lasker
                  SBR MVP
                  • 01-27-10
                  • 1683

                  #183
                  great job, especially impressed with your Brenneman by decision pick Wish I would have tailed!
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                  • urge2kill
                    SBR MVP
                    • 10-27-09
                    • 1722

                    #184
                    Awesome job!
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                    • Ladle
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 03-21-11
                      • 835

                      #185
                      Thanks a lot guys. The ending of Barry/Kongo was some of the craziest shit I've ever seen. What drama.

                      By the way Lasker, you should start posting here more frequently again! I was a follower of your betting thread before I joined here.
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                      • SportsPedagogy
                        SBR MVP
                        • 02-13-11
                        • 3691

                        #186
                        Great job man! You really cleaned house. Hope that silences some of your haters
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                        • v1y
                          SBR MVP
                          • 05-02-11
                          • 1138

                          #187
                          uhhh... he went practically all in on a fight that in retrospect was not a lock. how would that silence his haters, assuming he had any?
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                          • SportsPedagogy
                            SBR MVP
                            • 02-13-11
                            • 3691

                            #188
                            1.8 units on Charlie Brenneman by decision at +710 to win 12.77 units. And he took Brown, not to many people on that one. Also a great hit on Vasquez, even tho that seemed to be popular dog tonight.
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                            • v1y
                              SBR MVP
                              • 05-02-11
                              • 1138

                              #189
                              i had straight plays on brown, vasquez, and brenneman (although i ****** myself by arbing the brenneman bet after the first round)
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                              • FindTheLock
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 02-27-10
                                • 7194

                                #190
                                indeed brilliant job tonight. Congratulations on your picks.
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                                • Ladle
                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                  • 03-21-11
                                  • 835

                                  #191
                                  Thanks all.

                                  Originally posted by v1y
                                  uhhh... he went practically all in on a fight that in retrospect was not a lock. how would that silence his haters, assuming he had any?
                                  Uh, 27 units is far from "practically all in". It's much more than I bet on any other fight, but it's still a fraction of the money I allocate for gambling.

                                  Originally posted by v1y
                                  i had straight plays on brown, vasquez, and brenneman (although i ****** myself by arbing the brenneman bet after the first round)
                                  Was clearly much more value in the decision line. Too bad!
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                                  • lasker
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 01-27-10
                                    • 1683

                                    #192
                                    thanks Ladle, I'm not on here as much anymore but I'll sometimes post my picks for specific events. I'll definitely try to get some picks posted here before the next one, I'm feeling pretty good about that card.
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                                    • cheeese
                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                      • 02-22-11
                                      • 784

                                      #193
                                      Originally posted by Ladle
                                      1.8 units on Charlie Brenneman by decision at +710 to win 12.77 units

                                      Brenneman has a lot of value outright at over +300, but this line is much, much better, as I don't see how he finishes Story.

                                      While Brenneman is a bit of a one trick pony in terms of his skill set, he's still a solid, unheralded welterweight. He's well conditioned, a good athlete, and - most importantly - an excellent wrestler. If he can avoid brawling with Story, I think it's totally plausible that he could out-wrestle him en route to a decision win. Love this bet.
                                      I owe you a few pitchers if you ever come out to California.
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                                      • SportsPedagogy
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 02-13-11
                                        • 3691

                                        #194
                                        Originally posted by v1y
                                        i had straight plays on brown, vasquez, and brenneman (although i ****** myself by arbing the brenneman bet after the first round)
                                        If you really did, then congrats . did you post them on here ? I noticed alot of people saying they bet Brenn after the fight was over
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                                        • Ladle
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 03-21-11
                                          • 835

                                          #195
                                          Originally posted by SportsPedagogy
                                          If you really did, then congrats . did you post them on here ? I noticed alot of people saying they bet Brenn after the fight was over
                                          Hah, yeah! He could be talking total crap. I guess some people are happy to make shit up to bolster their e-cred.

                                          Originally posted by cheeese
                                          I owe you a few pitchers if you ever come out to California.
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                                          • v1y
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 05-02-11
                                            • 1138

                                            #196
                                            Yeap, all for the e cred.

                                            Still can't believe i ******* hedged my brenneman bet after the first round, cost me big money. Live and learn!

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                                            damnit, when i click on the frog i can still see it...
                                            Last edited by v1y; 06-27-11, 06:51 AM.
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                                            • sirchadwick1
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 06-02-10
                                              • 1375

                                              #197
                                              Great call on Charlie Ladle! I was so close to throwing down on him at +360 and just could not pull the trigger. Instead I threw down a parlay on Kongo + Story... and ughhh... cut into my big night a tad. But overall I think we both did very well. Congrats bro!
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                                              • Camdemonium
                                                SBR High Roller
                                                • 02-02-11
                                                • 126

                                                #198
                                                I dropped 1.33 on Brenn. thanks for the tip. Only 10 buck win though, but that's better than nothing. You're the man.
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                                                • snake11eyes
                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                  • 07-28-10
                                                  • 618

                                                  #199
                                                  I don't know how I missed your play Brenneman by decision. I guess cause it wasn't in with the rest of your plays. I didn't want to try Brenneman at 320, but I would have at 710. Nice picks last night.
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                                                  • rocky mattioli
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 08-26-10
                                                    • 1263

                                                    #200
                                                    nice work,l......
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                                                    • Thewiseman
                                                      SBR Rookie
                                                      • 06-15-11
                                                      • 38

                                                      #201
                                                      I'm mad at myself for not pulling the trigger more, I had Brenneman .13u to win .5u. Then the more I thought about it, I started to favor him, know he could take Story down. But I knew Story could hurt him standding, and I already bet a lot of dogs. When the Dec line came out, I considered another .5 u, then chickenrd out and only bet enough to win .5 u. Then after rd 2 I chickened out on the live betting, I went to put 1u on him at even, he dropped to -150 and canceled the bet. Reconsidered, went back and he was -400.
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                                                      • PunisherIND
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 02-24-11
                                                        • 4980

                                                        #202
                                                        Originally posted by v1y
                                                        Yeap, all for the e cred.

                                                        Still can't believe i ******* hedged my brenneman bet after the first round, cost me big money. Live and learn!

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                                                        damnit, when i click on the frog i can still see it...

                                                        v1y, why is that parlay showing as a loss? i dont see any losing fighters there. if its still pending, you should hedge it with a bet on faber and leben. GL.
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                                                        • v1y
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 05-02-11
                                                          • 1138

                                                          #203
                                                          it lost on ryan couture, it was like 20 fights, and couture is the only one who's lost lol.
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                                                          • SportsPedagogy
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 02-13-11
                                                            • 3691

                                                            #204
                                                            lol nice job, you would be surprised, some guys love their e-cred
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                                                            • bjpenn85
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 02-17-11
                                                              • 5059

                                                              #205
                                                              Great Job Ladle!!
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                                                              • Ladle
                                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                                • 03-21-11
                                                                • 835

                                                                #206
                                                                UFC Live: Kongo vs. Barry Review

                                                                Amount Staked: 37.94 units

                                                                Amount Returned: 71.06 units

                                                                Profit: +33.12 units


                                                                Appreciate all the congratulatory messages, lads. Brenneman by decision was one of my most profitable plays since the Russow/Madsen by decision hedge back in March, so was stoked about that. As for the other fights, while most of them went similarly to how I predicted, my big play of the evening couldn't have played out more differently. Ultimately, I can only thank the magical beard of Cheick Kongo for saving the day. Needless to say, that will probably be the last time I bet anything remotely significant on a Kongo fight.

                                                                10.52 units on Cheick Kongo at -165 to win 6.36 units
                                                                10.52 units on Cheick Kongo at -175 to win 6.02 units
                                                                6 units on Cheick Kongo at -175 to win 3.42 units
                                                                2 units on a three-team parlay of Cormier, Kongo and Bader to win 2.86 units
                                                                2.5 units on Javier Vazquez at +215 to win 5.38 units
                                                                0.5 units on Christian Morecraft at +225 to win 1.12 units
                                                                1.5 units on Christian Morecraft +250 to win 2.75 units
                                                                1 unit on Matt Brown at +215 to win 2.15 units
                                                                1.4 units on Rich Attonito at -115 to win 1.22 units
                                                                2.2 units on Nik Lentz at +175 to win 3.85 units
                                                                1.8 units on Charlie Brenneman by decision at +710 to win 12.77 units
                                                                Progress so far...

                                                                UFC Fight Night: Seattle: +40.00 units (11/14 successful bets)
                                                                Bellator 38: +1.9 units (1/1 succesful bets)
                                                                Strikeforce: Diaz vs. Daley: +5.47 units (2/5 successful bets)
                                                                Bellator 40: +1.7 units (1/1 successful bets)
                                                                Bellator 41: +3.15 units (1/1 successful bets)
                                                                UFC 129: -1.69 units (5/7 successful bets)
                                                                UFC 130: +14.59 units (7/13 successful bets)
                                                                TUF 13 Finale: -13.2 units (2/7 successful bets)
                                                                UFC 131: N/A
                                                                Strikeforce: Dallas: +7.65 units (5/9 successful bets; deserved to be 6/9)
                                                                UFC Live: Kongo vs. Barry: +33.12 units (5/7 successful bets)


                                                                Progress since March 26, 2011: +92.69 units

                                                                Hopefully I can reach 100 units profit after the next event. Not bad for three months work!
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                                                                • Camdemonium
                                                                  SBR High Roller
                                                                  • 02-02-11
                                                                  • 126

                                                                  #207
                                                                  Nice job man. Kongo's beard saved my bacon too! I thought it was over.
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                                                                  • Ladle
                                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                                    • 03-21-11
                                                                    • 835

                                                                    #208
                                                                    Originally posted by Camdemonium
                                                                    Nice job man. Kongo's beard saved my bacon too! I thought it was over.
                                                                    Thanks bro! My mood has never changed so quickly in all my life. I went from counting my losses to celebrating in the space of literally one second. It was actually a huge thrill to watch; just an awesome, awesome moment for Kongo backers. We'll never forget it.
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                                                                    • bjpenn85
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 02-17-11
                                                                      • 5059

                                                                      #209
                                                                      you should want there to be more ufc fight night or lives arranged. Going 70 units like that son!! great job ladle.
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                                                                      • koscheckbaby
                                                                        SBR MVP
                                                                        • 04-05-10
                                                                        • 1314

                                                                        #210
                                                                        I have bragging rights over Ladle for really liking Matyushenko to win, while he liked Brilz.

                                                                        J/K. Really nice ******* job
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