Ladle's MMA Betting

[v1y]

He didn't get sprawled on because his takedown attempts were mostly Greco-Roman techniques. Toney's the only guy he used a double leg on and he shot from way outside.

Not sure if serious...

Randy's used double legs in countless fights (halme, graham, liddell, many more), whereas the Toney fight was one of his few fights where didn't use the double -- he attacked with a low single.

He trained folkstyle wrestling his whole life, and only practiced greco when he joined the military iirc.

Also, I'll come to Ladle's defense here. I do not believe he thinks the Wiman fight was a robbery because he had Wiman.

[terpkeg]

Yes but u cant say tht either fighter won 1 or 3 clearly can you? But one thing for sure is tht Wiman completely dominated Rnd 2, its ridiculous that Siver can get a 10-9 in first round just because he stopped a couple of takedowns and Wiman also only gets a 10-9 in Rnd 2 even tho he took Siver down and cut him open and dominated him for 80% of the round. The difference in damage is pretty clear, something needs to be changed in the scoring. Same thing with the Maynard/Egar fight, how can Edgar get 10-9's in rounds just because he outlanded and got a takedown and Maynard only get a 10-9 when he knocked Edgar down 3 times in first round.

Exactly. Why does common sense go out the window when judging the fight? How can Round 2 hold the same weight as Round 1? If you are going to give a 10-9 for that round which is understandable then I think you should just be reserving your right to get the winner of the fight right in round 3.

If round 3 is a close round, you give Wiman the benefit of the doubt because he had the most dominating performance (round 2). If Siver clearly wins round 3, then the Round 2 10-9 score allows you to still award Siver a just victory whereas a 10-8 pretty much makes a draw his best outcome. I just feel like some better discretion needs to be used to ensure the proper fighter is rewarded. Why blame the current scoring rules? Being a judge affords you a great deal of discretion that needs to be properly exercised. A close fight, but Wiman deserved the victory.

Real solution would probably be .5 rounds.

[Chairib]

Not sure if serious...

Randy's used double legs in countless fights (halme, graham, liddell, many more), whereas the Toney fight was one of his few fights where didn't use the double -- he attacked with a low single.

He trained folkstyle wrestling his whole life, and only practiced greco when he joined the military iirc.

Also, I'll come to Ladle's defense here. I do not believe he thinks the Wiman fight was a robbery because he had Wiman.

You really don't have a clue do you?

Listen up dipshit, Randy primarily used his Greco-Roman skills when fighting in the UFC. Randy, Dan Henderson, and Matt Linland were known for using that particular style, as opposed to the Hammer House guys who were primarily freestyle wrestlers.

Everything is predicated around the clinch and Randy looked to clinch up with his opponent, pummeling in and establishing underhooks. Only then take would he look to take his opponent down against the fence. That type of fighting, using the Greco-Roman clinch, is something he developed along with the Rico Chiparelli when they were all part of the rAw Team.

He very rarely would go try to take someone down by shooting for a traditional double leg takedown. And it's the exact reason why people noticed went for that type of takedown when he fought James Toney. It's not something he did often, and it stood out.

[v1y]

Dude, you clearly said "He shot a double against James Toney". He did not shoot a double against James Toney. He shot a low single. The low single Randy shot is not the same as a 'traditional double' you're just claiming he shot.

Further, you said "Toney is the only guy Randy used a double leg on", which necessarily implies he used a double leg on no other fighter. This is obviously false, as this video demonstrates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8N9SnQX47M . (Unless by, "only", you meant "one of the only", in which case you'd be only be wrong about the first part. I can't be expected to read your mind about what you meant to say, especially when you don't even address the potential error in your follow up post)

While I agree with you that the majority of Randy's takedowns in MMA have come through the greco clinch, the statement "Toney's the only guy he used a double leg on and he shot from way outside." is incredibly wrong for the two reasons I just stated. I completely agree with you that Randy's success in MMA over his career has come primarily from working in the clinch, which does a great job of explaining why we generally don't see Randy getting sprawled on.

Your post would be the equivalent of me saying, "Matt Hughes is the only guy GSP's knocked out with punches". It would be wrong because 1: gsp didn't knock out matt hughes with punches, and 2: gsp has knocked other people out with punches (hieron).

Pictured: Chairib's impression of a "Traditional double leg takedown", where I'm guessing any takedown that involves grabbing the other guy's legs (even if it's only one leg) in any way counts as a traditional double leg.

[MMAdisciple]

Private messages now? clearly you're too busy/mature/normal to be so irritated in such a lame & weird way ()

this euro f@g...

Just focus on your next wagering essay that goes 2-10 on wagers

[Ladle]

Private messages now? clearly you're too busy/mature/normal to be so irritated in such a lame & weird way ()

this euro f@g...

Just focus on your next wagering essay that goes 2-10 on wagers

Ladies and gentleman, I would like to present to you something which MMADisciple posted on this forum under three months ago:

I know some people don't think it's normal to grieve hard over a pet, but since she died, I haven't been the same. And I don't want to be. I can't wait to die.

I don't know how this pathetic, pitiful excuse for a human being can continue to show his face around here.

Just focus on your next wagering essay that goes 2-10 on wagers

My wagering essays have earnt me 77 units in three months. You spend all of your time crying over a dead, piece of shit dog which you didn't even own.

Also, euro f@g? LOL. You can't even insult me properly. You're so embarrassing, even despite the fact that you wanted to kill yourself over a dead dog.

[MMAdisciple]

Another obsessive pm? Do you think you make me mad? you take the internet too seriously (as you live on it), euro f\*g. You must hold so much weight with words, since mine are turning you into a psycho.

Lol at this rotten toothed 47 year old homosexual stalker who said he was a writer with a ''penchant'' for gambling. Faggy lingo first of all, what kind of writer are you? Articles for sewing magazines? My theory has it the other way around - you're just a sh1tty gambler with a ''penchant'' for writing, and you ended up sucking equally in both

The words on your tombstone will be something like ''Brilz/Wiman/(insert fighter who lost you money) really won" or better yet ''I contest there was no evidence to suggest Story would beat Alves''

Keep posting those trash bets, your game is as good as flipping a two-headed coin and any sorry ass tailing bettor can either 1) mimic your ways and be better off making the ill informed guess themselves or 2) be sure to deserve losing every unit you lose them for following such a loser

btw, since this is the only ammo you have and you cling to it with all of your "life":

I loved my girlfriends (ahem) dog and when she passed away I became depressed this cold European Neanderthal isn't quite caught up with the intricacies of humanity but the with the way he bets I guess we shouldn't expect him to do any sort of evolving anytime soon

There, I wrote half as much as one of your (sh1tty-to-the-eye-and-bankroll) posts and mine still says more bring your faggy poetry Spock

[MMAdisciple]

Tell me what's worse Princess Di, getting drunk and high (on a boat, $$$) and telling a forum I was depressed over a pet I cared about -- or your last write-up? Newsflash Ben Kingsley: MY POST DIDN'T COST ANYONE MONEY! And that's what most are here for

[Ladle]

Ah, so angry that I made you into a laughingstock. Hilarious. I couldn't care less about you, and maybe you should take your own advice and go kill yourself. Clearly you've developed an obsession over me after I exposed you as a pathetic man who wanted to end their life over the death of a dog which they didn't even own. Even now, you're still so angry about that, you're coming here and trolling my thread. Just when I thought you couldn't get any lower and more pathetic, you do.

77 units in three months is shitty gambling?

Also, articles for sewing magazines? Faggy lingo? Forgive me if I don't consider your criticism of my writing credible, when your own writing is ridiculously embarrassing.

The words on your tombstone will be something like ''Brilz/Wiman/(insert fighter who lost you money) really won" or better yet

The words on your tombstone will be these:

I know some people don't think it's normal to grieve hard over a pet, but since she died, I haven't been the same. And I don't want to be. I can't wait to die.

Keep posting those trash bets, your game is as good as flipping a two-headed coin and any sorry ass tailing bettor can either 1) mimic your ways and be better off making the ill informed guess themselves or 2) be sure to deserve losing every unit you lose them for following such a loser

77 units in three months. On my gambling alone, I'm making more money than someone who spends all of his time sobbing over a dead dog, and then trolling the thread of someone who embarrassed him.

btw, since this is the only ammo you have and you cling to it with all of your "life":

I loved my girlfriends (ahem) dog and when she passed away I became depressed this cold European Neanderthal isn't quite caught up with the intricacies of humanity but the with the way he bets I guess we shouldn't expect him to do any sort of evolving anytime soon

You're not remotely doing it justice. Fact is, you said you didn't want to continue living because a dog which you didn't own died. That is absolutely pathetic. I can't imagine how awful your life must be if you wanted to end it over the death of an animal. Clearly no human values you. Honestly, you don't even qualify as a man anymore.

There, I wrote half as much as one of your (sh1tty-to-the-eye-and-bankroll) posts and mine still says more

It says more about your laughable, depressing existence.

bring your faggy poetry Spock

Just when I thought you couldn't look any more foolish, you go and say something like this.

[Vaughany]

euro f\*g.

homosexual stalker

this cold European Neanderthal isn't quite caught up with the intricacies of humanity but the with the way he bets I guess we shouldn't expect him to do any sort of evolving anytime soon

Love the irony in tht post!

[Wrecked]

Tell me what's worse Princess Di, getting drunk and high (on a boat, $$$) and telling a forum I was depressed over a pet I cared about -- or your last write-up? Newsflash Ben Kingsley: MY POST DIDN'T COST ANYONE MONEY! And that's what most are here for

I killed your dog.

[Ladle]

MY POST DIDN'T COST ANYONE MONEY! And that's what most are here for

I love how he concedes that most people are here to make money, and thinks that somehow justifies him telling us his pitiful story about weeping over a dead animal.

Also, if people were diligently copying my bets, they'd be up 77 units in three months, and would have made 33 units last event. So you lose, I win!

Love the irony in tht post!

Hilarious, right? Also, when was the last time you heard an insult like "homosexual stalker"? That's some primary school shit. This guy is so embarrassing.

Honestly, the very concept of him accusing me of being gay is hilarious on the grounds that he is someone who openly wept - and wanted to die - over the death of a dog which wasn't even his. I can't think of anything more "faggoty" (as he would call it).

[Ethan]

Nice catching that Ladle.