UFC Fight Night: Dillashaw vs. Cruz (January 17, 2016)

**JIBBBY** · 01-16-16, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by mirinquads

Blanco looked better than ever. Cruz sounded pretty damn nonconfident in the speech thing.

Cruz was talking smack at the weigh in pictures when face to face with TJ.. Looked like he was in TJ's head... What every happened after that is just water under the bridge...

**TPowell** · 01-16-16, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by mirinquads

He's never ever gassed in the first round. There's a difference between having a good cut, but you're just big for the weight class, or a shit cut and looked bad.

He slowed down after throwing 60 strikes / a round against Hooker, a pressure fighter who was looking to get him down all the time. Won't happen here.

Luke Sanders puts as much pressure on guys as anyone in the division and he has amazing cardio to back it up. Only concern is Blanco potentially being the stronger guy and Luke not being able to get in close in the clinch and keep the fight there

**JIBBBY** · 01-16-16, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by TPowell

Luke Sanders puts as much pressure on guys as anyone in the division and he has amazing cardio to back it up. Only concern is Blanco potentially being the stronger guy and Luke not being able to get in close in the clinch and keep the fight there

I'm on Luke Sanders for small.. I also like the cardio and work load advantage that he brings into this fight.. It's still almost a coin toss though IMO...

**JoshKnows46** · 01-16-16, 05:37 PM

I agree Blanco looked in his best shape ever, also alverez was in his best shape, pumped and had the crowd behind him, may add a little more on alverez. Tim looked like a fat slob at 206. Cruz may have not seemed confident because it looks like a tough cut for him, he was probable just drained, I do believe he believes in his skill set completely vs dillashaw, and will be just as shocked as those that bet on him by how easily he gets murked in this fight. Can't fukin wait to see Cruz's facial expressions when the doctors wake him up, pumped for this one, I love the easy ones, where you know from the very first minute the other guy has absolutely no chance, and you can sit back and enjoy your handwork. Cruz bettors will instantly know they fuked up.

**mirinquads** · 01-16-16, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by TPowell

Luke Sanders puts as much pressure on guys as anyone in the division and he has amazing cardio to back it up. Only concern is Blanco potentially being the stronger guy and Luke not being able to get in close in the clinch and keep the fight there

He won't be able to. Blanco is way way more polished in every area. He will be bigger come fight night too due to the weight cut. Sanders is a 135 pounder.

Bet Herman +205 and Herman dec +600. Boetsch looked like my dad just rolling off the couch after a couple too many beers.

**mirinquads** · 01-16-16, 05:53 PM

If you want a risk free TJ ITD bet, take TJ No score cards at 5dimes -160. No way Cruz finishes TJ.

**TPowell** · 01-16-16, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by mirinquads

He won't be able to. Blanco is way way more polished in every area. He will be bigger come fight night too due to the weight cut. Sanders is a 135 pounder.

Bet Herman +205 and Herman dec +600. Boetsch looked like my dad just rolling off the couch after a couple too many beers.

would agree with you on Boetsch. Sanders is a monster style Conor McGregor bantamweight though. He'll give up some strength I agree, but he isn't your average 135 pounder. I really like Luke. Have him parlayed with TJ and probably will add him straight up as well

**mirinquads** · 01-16-16, 06:38 PM

I agree Luke has a lot of potential, and will make waves. He's got that gritty always in your face pressure style that will do him good. I just think this is a bad style matchup for him, especially on short notice. We will see though.

**slayer14** · 01-16-16, 07:21 PM

Does anyone have online stream for tonight's ufc

**varkolek** · 01-16-16, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by slayer14

Does anyone have online stream for tonight's ufc

That's what I was wondering.

**varkolek** · 01-16-16, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by mirinquads

If you want a risk free TJ ITD bet, take TJ No score cards at 5dimes -160. No way Cruz finishes TJ.

Can you please explain how this bet works? I assume you mean the Dillashaw (scorecards = no action) bet. What has to happen for that bet to win?

**JIBBBY** · 01-16-16, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by slayer14

Does anyone have online stream for tonight's ufc

Yep, i'd would love to find a magical stream to see the results tonight so I can bet on the actual event tomorrow night.. Let me know if you find that stream..lol.. I'll paypal you everything I got in my account if you find it....

**JoshKnows46** · 01-16-16, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by mirinquads

If you want a risk free TJ ITD bet, take TJ No score cards at 5dimes -160. No way Cruz finishes TJ.

But -160 is a big diffrence from tj it'd at +315, you would only make that bet if you believe cruz could land more volume of strikes then tj or out wrestle tj, and he can't do either. If you don't think tj can finish, then just bet him straight at 140, can't see the value in that bet, cruz has no path to victory in this matchup

**JoshKnows46** · 01-16-16, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by slayer14

Does anyone have online stream for tonight's ufc

Its tommorrow night on fox sports 1.. can find a stream on stream hunters if you meant the Invicta card tonight.

**varkolek** · 01-16-16, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Yep, i'd would love to find a magical stream to see the results tonight so I can bet on the actual event tomorrow night.. Let me know if you find that stream..lol.. I'll paypal you everything I got in my account if you find it....

What a waste of time. I live in a different time zone and thought the fights were happening right now and not tomorrow. Haven't slept and have been refreshing this thread to see why firstrow doesn't have a stream.

**mirinquads** · 01-16-16, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by varkolek

Can you please explain how this bet works? I assume you mean the Dillashaw (scorecards = no action) bet. What has to happen for that bet to win?

Bet pushes if the fight goes to decision, wins if Dillashaw finishes, loses if Cruz finishes.

And the keyword there is risk free, Josh.

**JIBBBY** · 01-16-16, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by mirinquads

Bet pushes if the fight goes to decision, wins if Dillashaw finishes, loses if Cruz finishes.

And the keyword there is risk free, Josh.

Are you crazy Miri? TJ has been KO'd before and did you see what Cruz did in his last fight?......

There is risk involved!!! Cruz could finish TJ if it's a standing clinic and Cruz starts to pepper up TJ round after round. Get's TJ punch drunk and closes it out late.. I actually may take Cruz to win in rounds 4 and 5 for $10 bucks each.. Not likely to happen but could... If the fight goes the way I expect it too it might..

1021 Cruz wins in round 4

<input id="radiox" value="M1_9" name="radiox" type="radio">+2050

1023 Cruz wins in round 5

<input id="radiox" value="M1_10" name="radiox" type="radio">+2850

I do have this though.. I couldn't resist.. Cruz came out strong and fast against the Asian dude and finished him in round 1.. You just never know as this is a 5 round fight..

$50.00

$262.50

Pending

1/17/16 11:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1037 Cruz wins by TKO/KO +525* <small>vs</small> Any other result

I think Cruz is in TJ's head, he's super confident, this is his chance to win his title back, I think Cruz wants to make a statement and I believe he will go after the finish and try not to leave it in the judges hands.. Cruz would love nothing more then to KO TJ standing or pound him out on the ground..

Can he succeed we will see?

**JoshKnows46** · 01-16-16, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Are you crazy Miri? TJ has been KO'd before and did you see what Cruz did in his last fight?......

There is risk involved!!! Cruz could finish TJ if it's a standing clinic and Cruz starts to pepper up TJ round after round. Get's TJ punch drunk and closes it out late.. I actually may take Cruz to win in rounds 4 and 5 for $5 bucks each.. Not likely to happen but could... If the fight goes the way I expect it too it might..

1021 Cruz wins in round 4

<input id="radiox" value="M1_9" name="radiox" type="radio">+2050

1023 Cruz wins in round 5

<input id="radiox" value="M1_10" name="radiox" type="radio">+2850

I do have this though.. I couldn't resist.. Cruz came out strong and fast against the Asian dude and finished him in round 1.. You just never know as this is a 5 round fight... Cruz came out like a mad man in that last fight, very aggressive and finished..

$50.00

$262.50

Pending

1/17/16 11:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1037 Cruz wins by TKO/KO +525* <small>vs</small> Any other result

Cruz knocking him out lmao have you ever seen cruz fight? He knocked out one jap, who cares. Cruz will have trouble landing on dillashaw, who has much better head movement and striking defense in close, Cruz's striking defense is solely based on his foot movement and making the correct movement which will be very hard to do against someone who covers ground so well and switches stsnces, when dillashaw closes the distance, cruz is a sitting duck with zero defensive striking, th I s us why johnson and faber where ab k e to catch him, dillashaw won't be reacting to him though how faber and johnson were, who were giving him too much respect, dillashaw fights in close and has some of the best head movement striking defense in the game, he doesn't need to bounce out of range, it is why he lands so much strikes per fight, he will not be worried about Cruz will do, and cruz is dependent on people showing his movement resoect, similar to how pettis is dependent on people showing his striking respect and giving him distance to work, dillashaw will be all over his ass from the beginning of the round till its finished, most likely in under a rounds time. If it goes longer, dillashaw now lives in elevation in denver, he was already a cardio machine that significantly out volumed a prime cruz, and cruz has 90 minutes of fight in 5 years and multiple leg injurys and you think cruz will be the fresher fighter, if this so happens to make it that far?!?? Your living in a fantasy world jibby, or you a big cruz fan or something, winning money needs to Be your first priorty, if your betting on personal feelings u have for cruz, you should just leave this fight alone.

**JIBBBY** · 01-16-16, 09:10 PM

and

These are the facts.. No need for words..

**JIBBBY** · 01-16-16, 09:16 PM

If all else fails Cruz will attack the legs.. Cruz's striking is on a different level then TJ's..

This gif explains what I'm trying to say... Pepper'd up Spotty Jorg in this fight and busted up that lead leg.

**mirinquads** · 01-16-16, 09:28 PM

Cruz has literally one finish in the last 100 years. It was on a figther with striking way / chin way below TJ's. Cruz is a defense first fighter. Cruz TKO is NOT happening this fight.

**slayer14** · 01-16-16, 09:36 PM

Cant be backing cruz after all his injury problems.

**JIBBBY** · 01-16-16, 09:37 PM

Originally posted by mirinquads

Cruz has literally one finish in the last 100 years. It was on a figther with striking way / chin way below TJ's. Cruz is a defense first fighter. Cruz TKO is NOT happening this fight.

Miri, Cruz has 7 Ko's in 20 pro fight wins.. I'd say he has a chance at finishing by KO in any fight.. These are the numbers and you can't ignore them..http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Dominick-Cruz-12107

**JoshKnows46** · 01-16-16, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

and

These are the facts.. No need for words..

Sometimes I think your trolling me, it's sickening that I have to explain this to you, your talking about tjs 5th pro fight, 6 years ago, and his ufc debut, against a much heavier puncher than cruz, in John Dodson who has half of his wins by ko, and is known as the heaviest hands in his division, and your comparing him to the decisionator who has 12 of his 20 wins by dec, and is known for his wrestling and elusiveness and pitter pat punches. Absolutely horrible capping jibby. Your also trying to compare the dillashaw before he found dwayne Ludwig and a fight 6 years ago, with a guy that improves drastically every single fight we see him, and this is what your basing your bet on, please tell me you are fukin kidding me buddy, this isn't how you handicap fights, you need to look towards like opponents and stop basing your picks off of hopes and wishes on what u want to happen. Watch current fights, in Cruz's Case you will need to look 2 years ago at a fight he got a fluke knockout of a fighter that lost 2 of his last 3, or you can look to similar opp of 5 years ago when cruz was in his prime against like opps like faber and johnson are your closes examples.

**mirinquads** · 01-16-16, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Miri, Cruz has 7 Ko's in 20 pro fight wins.. I'd say he has a chance at finishing by KO in any fight.. These are the numbers and you can't ignore them..http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Dominick-Cruz-12107

Jibbby stop. Just stop. It's not happening in a million years. Quote me on that after the fight.

**bjpenn85** · 01-16-16, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Miri, Cruz has 7 Ko's in 20 pro fight wins.. I'd say he has a chance at finishing by KO in any fight.. These are the numbers and you can't ignore them..http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Dominick-Cruz-12107

Im sure you actually believe that, but thats not true at all. All fighters have lots of KOs in their first 4-5 fights, why? Low quality of opponents. So when cruz for instance have 5-6 decisions in a row, in the ufc, many of which in title fights, would you say then, its a 50 50 chance of a KO happening regardless of its being a regional fight or a championship fight in the ufc?

Numbers, you cant ignore them? Sure you can, if you use them completely wrong they dont mean anything.

**JIBBBY** · 01-16-16, 10:31 PM

D Cruz has twice as many pro fights as TJ DIll.. Oh and Josh I'd say at age 30 Cruz is in his MMA prime right now. He didn't look injured, hurting or losing a step in his last fight that's for sure..

The real UFC champ D CRUZ will get his belt back.. He's determined, driven, confident and has never lost a fight in the UFC to date. Don't see why he should lose now.. Cruz is the smarter and more cerebral fighter and that's why he hosts the UFC tonight shows..

Besides the fighters let's talk business..

It's REALLY good for Zuffa/UFC if D Cruz wins.. I'll explain why, TJ Dill is a boring UFC champion, and if D. Cruz wins this fight, the 2nd rematch fight would draw HUGE pay per view numbers.. Remember D Cruz is a UFC media darling. TJ not so much on the flip side.. Let's just say if TJ Dill wins there will be no rematch huge pay per view draw for Zuffa to cash in on...... Remember this fight tomorrow night is aired on free Fox TV and the entire world will be watching. Business is business right? Just saying if this fight is tight and goes to the cards the judges probably lean Cruz..

1007 Cruz wins by 5 round decision

<input id="radiox" value="M1_2" name="radiox" type="radio">+220

1045 Cruz wins by 5 round split/maj dec

<input id="radiox" value="M1_21" name="radiox" type="radio">+461

I couldn't resist when this line opened up at twice the current odds a week ago..

$50.00

$438.50

Pending

1/17/16 11:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1045 Cruz wins by 5 round split/maj dec +877* <small>vs</small> Any other result

All indicators point to D Cruz winning... DOMINATOR CRUZ FOR THE WIN!!!!

**TPowell** · 01-16-16, 10:35 PM

what if Cruz wins? Are we all morons and Jibster is a sharp?

**JoshKnows46** · 01-16-16, 10:35 PM

lmao ufc doesn't pick who wins, and dillashaw is the much more exciting fighter to watch, cruz is horrible for the ufc and the division as champ, he's boring. cruz will be back in the press booth after he loses this fight, dillashaw is gonna retire him, the game has passed cruz by jibbles.

**JIBBBY** · 01-16-16, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by TPowell

what if Cruz wins? Are we all morons and Jibster is a sharp?

No one is a moron we just have different views.. I think we all have good points on this fight but mine just happen to be a little stronger...

Enough talk, I said what I had to say and now it's money time... I got Cruz big and you guys got TJ. Let's see what sticks???

**TPowell** · 01-17-16, 12:21 AM

08:00p ET

Chris Wade [10(0)-1-0] vs Mehdi Baghdad [11(8)-3-0]

90251

Chris Wade

90252

Mehdi Baghdad

08:00p ET

Wade vs Baghdad - Fight to go distance

90253

Fight goes distance

90254

Fight wont go distance

08:00p ET

Wade vs Baghdad - Wade to win by decision

90255

Wade wins by decision

90256

Any other outcome

**TPowell** · 01-17-16, 12:24 AM

That makes no sense, if this fight is nearly 2 to 1 at going the distance, Wade should be exactly that to win by decision.

**JIBBBY** · 01-17-16, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by bjpenn85

Im sure you actually believe that, but thats not true at all. All fighters have lots of KOs in their first 4-5 fights, why? Low quality of opponents. So when cruz for instance have 5-6 decisions in a row, in the ufc, many of which in title fights, would you say then, its a 50 50 chance of a KO happening regardless of its being a regional fight or a championship fight in the ufc?

Numbers, you cant ignore them? Sure you can, if you use them completely wrong they dont mean anything.

That's true BJ but Cruz knocked out 2 guys in recent fights and at the UFC level.. This Asian fought alot of tough guys and only one other time had he been KO'd but Cruz was able to knock him out.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Takeya-Mizugaki-12074

Cruz also got the KO win over Bowles who is very hard to finish. Doctor stoppage but still a KO win... So 2 KO wins have come in recently fights for Cruz.. Numbers don't lie but they can be exaggerated for sure...

**JoshKnows46** · 01-17-16, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

That's true BJ but Cruz knocked out 2 guys in recent fights and at the UFC level.. This Asian fought alot of tough guys and only one other time had he been KO'd but Cruz was able to knock him out.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Takeya-Mizugaki-12074

Cruz also got the KO win over Bowles who is very hard to finish. Doctor stoppage but still a KO win... So 2 KO wins have come in recently fights for Cruz.. Numbers don't lie but they can be exaggerated for sure...

dude bowles is 6 fights deep for cruz and over 6 years ago, that is not recent, and heres the kicker it was a hand injury that stopped the fight, had nothing to do with cruz, you need to do your homework or actually watch fights instead of sherdog capping, watch the damn fights and you'd see how big of a mismatch this fight is, why throw your hard earned money away, when you dont have to???? I'm giving you the gift of money, please just take it....

**JoshKnows46** · 01-17-16, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by TPowell

That makes no sense, if this fight is nearly 2 to 1 at going the distance, Wade should be exactly that to win by decision.

thats how it is at the books i play at as well, why would it be the same, going to the distance you dont have to predict the winner, wade wins by dec, it has to go to dec and you have to pick the winner, nothing strange about it. you have to predict more of the outcome by picking the winner as well.