-
Comment -
yep, I mentioned it earlier in thread. Munoz was completely out of shape.
Unless Leben is a dog I dont know how anybody can back him after that shiitty performance against Brunson who'd taken the fight on like a week's notice. He's been training at Alliance tho so at least he's recognised that training with a couple of surfers at his gym in Hawaii wasnt helping him.Comment -
Yeah i know hes training at alliance. His fight against brunson wasnt terrible. I thouht he did decently in rounds two and three. He got manhandled on the ground in round one. Brunson is a pretty decent grappler though. Another thing to consider is leben was on the shelf for 14 months in that one. Long time.Comment -
I really hate explaining things that should be obvious to everyone, but for one, a fight in which a fighter clearly wins two or three rounds, and probably deserved the third round too, isn't always "close", and judges score cards do not define how close a fight is. Stout/Fischer 3 had Stout winning 30-27 on all three cards, and that was a much closer fight than Weidman/MaiaComment -
@ mmabetmasta $$$$$$$$$$
Comment -
Nobody cares if you hate explaining things so its probably a waste of time posting the information. Since i dont mind explaining things to people ill explain something to you.
If teo of the judges give a fighter one round(33 percent of the fight) then that fighter did not get dominated. Unless of course one of the other rounds was a 10-8 round. The fight was relatively close. Weidman deserved the win but it was certainly not an example of someone being dominated. That is clearly incorrect.
According to fightmetric maia landed 51 significant strikes and weidman landed 58 significant strikes.
maia and weidman both landed 14 significant strikes in round one.
maia and weidman both landed 16 significant strikes in round two.
weidman landed seven more significant strikes in round three.
Clearly rounds one and two were close and weidman sealed round three. Close fight. Again for the lay person, not a dominating performance.Comment -
big whoop on the scorecards - IMO the big takeaway was that weidman was willing to take somebody w/ maia's jitz game down and never got in an "oh shit" scenario
the weidman on 7/6 will have a full camp and more experience than the one who fought maia. to squabble on how that fight was scored is just peripheral in sizing up Silva/Weidman - makes MD's argument/point of view seem pretty myopicComment -
Yes you are righht about weidman taking maia down. That was important. Weidman will have more experience for this fight, but not much. Hes had one fight since then and its only been a year and a half. In that timeframe he has had his house destroyed by a hurricane and iirc he has also had to rehab an injury. Im not really sure how much better weidman will look for this fight. Considering he is coming back from a solid year off its conceivable that he wont really look better period.
I am not squabbling over anything. He just made a rude comment about how he hates having to explain things to me as though i was stupid for refering to the fight as close. It was a close fight.
Another thing the maia fight points out is approximately where his striking is. He was even on the feet with demian maia. That puts him worlds below Anderson Silva. Thats probably obvious to you, as it is me. However i wouldnt be suprised to hear someone say that they think weidman can hold his own on his feet against AS because of what he was able to do to munoz standing. That and the wave of hype following Weidman.Comment -
it was close compared to Jeremy Stephens vs Danny Downes Syndrome for example! Now that was a dominant decision!Comment -
I dont know who wins the fight. I can see weidman has the tools but i am not super impressed by him. I am impressed by of course, but just regular impressed. He could win it, but i dont get all these people preparing to dump big money on him. There are better opportunities on the card.
For me its Anderson Silva or nothing, especially if i can get him at around-220.Comment -
small-moderate impressedComment -
You can't be serious. Three judges gave Sanchez round two against Gomi. That was a really close round, right? What about the judge who gave Dan Henderson round two against Machida? He got absolutely dominated for the entire round, yet the judge gave it to Henderson.
The media scores were far more one-sided.
Every tracked media member who scored the fight had it 30-27 Weidman. The only group that scored it differently were Fightmetric, who you conveniently bring up to support your point but neglect to point out that they didn't give Maia a single round. They had it 30-28.
By the way, Fightmetric also says that Tibau didn't land any takedowns against Nurmagomedov. I've long since stopped trusting their stats.Comment -
Yeah i am serious. It was a pretty close fight. I didnt say it was razor thin. For christs sake they landed the exact same number of strikes in two of the rounds. The exact same number. Weidman was fortunate enough that maia seemed to gas worse than him due to his flu and he landed a couple of well timed takedowns.
I dont want to argue about this anymore. It is ridiculous to call it domination. Not even remotely close to a dominating performance. It was a sloppy kickboxing gasfest between one guy that took the fit on short notice wnd the other guy that was suffering from an illness. Weidman landed a couple takedowns at opportune times to seal the deal. Had he not landed them he very well could have lost the fight because maia already had one of the round on two jusges scorecards. Get over it. I'm right.
Anyone that saw the fight and is reading this debate knows my assessment is better than yours. The fight is better described as "close" than it is "domination". Fact.Comment -
don't even know what side MD is arguing for/against
Comment -
Yes, saying you're right and saying "my opinion is fact" makes it fact.
Next you're going to say that Floyd Mayweather didn't dominate Guerrero because Guerrero landed a decent amount of shots. Just because Maia landed doesn't mean that Weidman didn't land far more telling shots. He controlled the distance, he landed the harder shots and he got takedowns and sub attempts/guard passes when he needed them. Not a close fight. Feel free to think differently if you wish, though. We're just going to end up repeating ourselves at this point.
I'm just arguing a specific point. If you're wondering who I'm on in this fight, it's Weidman. I think it's close to 50/50, so value is on Weidman.Comment -
Damn 50/50. Is that a moderate large Kelly bet?
That joke has been over played small moderate large amount of timeComment -
I'll tell you mother f-ckers right now, no way in hell is a slow white guy going to beat a negroid like Anderson chimpin' out inside the octagon. This isn't pride fake shit. This shit is for real.
I dont care if Weidman cut 300 pounds for the Maia fight he still is slow as hell. That jew Ariel hyped this Wiedman guy up and all you white boys are eating it up.Comment -
Leben vs craig:
I'm taking Leben over Craig here for a small play depending on the line. I think his wrestling is better than Craigs. He should also have the advantage in the stand up as well. Overall experience advantage goes to Leben. Craig could potentially have the advantage with bjj but I'm really not sure about that.
Anyone disagree?Comment -
I apologize 100 times over. You are an astute SBR member. Your knowledge on the sport outweighs the phagets "Loling" to each other bout how Silva is going to just show up and throw couple of punches and kicks til Weidman falls down in fetal position. Hit me up via PM to become "friends."Comment -
Weidman took the Maia fight on short notice. Dominating rounds doesn't really mean anything in MMA. GSP doesn't hurt his opponents, but still wins clear decisions.
Try to look at the Maia fight differently. Was Weidman in any trouble ever in the fight? After watching that fight and seeing how it played out what line would you be comfortable laying on the exact same fight? I'd be more than happy laying -1000 on Weidman if that fight happened again. It's hard to see Maia winning that fight. His win percentage to me and most others is extremely low, especially after watching him get Weidman at his best while Weidman was probably at his worst.
Weidman could have probably taken the third round with a little more effort and it was a close round. This was not necessary though since Maia wasn't a threat to him and the first two round couldn't have been any more clear Weidman rounds.Comment -
Weidman didnt get maia at his best. Maia was sick in th fight. I know this 100 percent. I watched a video interview of him before the fight and he has sniffing snd sucking loogies back the entire time. It was very clear that he had an illness. It was either a cold or some kind of flu. Maia clearly gassed in the third round of that fight and iirc he gassed worse than weidman. I remember thinking that because i had a little money on maia and i was pissed he was gassing.
Another thing about maias performance. Do you remember what he kept doing over and over? He kept swinging for the fences with his left arm. It got to the point where it was somewhat predictable. His fault of course but. Do think maia could do better than that in a rematch. I would not take weidman at -1000 but i am comfortable with him being called the favorite.
Im not saying weidman he no chance. Hell he could very well win. All i am saying is he is a little overhyped. He had an underwhelming performance against maia and he beat a somewhat out of shape looking mark munoz who was sporting a broken foot.
On top of that hes been out a year. From what i heard he had some type of injury during that time. On top of that its my understanding hurricane sandy destroyed his house as well and he has had to spend time rebuilding. This causes me to reject the notion that he has spent the past year steadily improving and is going to come out as this brand new updated killer specimen that has drastically improved in one year a la jon jones.
i get that he has the tools to win. It makes perfect sense to me. I just think that he is still green. Maybe if he had another year or two i would think differently. I probably would.
Lastly, anderson looked stellar against chael the second time they fought. Sure he was taken down in the first and that makes me hesitant to bet him. I probably wont be betting this one period. Another thing to consider, Anderson is probably getting better st stoppng wrestlers. The first chael fight was in 2010. The he trained for okami in 2011. Thenagain for chael in 2012. I wouldnt be suprised if his timing ability to deal with wrestlers is improving.Comment -
Motherfkn Spider did not look stellar in the rematch with Chael...Chael gave up badly after he felt he couldnt takedown Silva but Silva was blatantly ripping Chael shorts off like a pedo. Blatant foul...horrible disgusting BS. Chael was beating Silva like he did in the first fight and was about to do the same in that second round.
Call me whatever for talking bad about your pink shirted idol.Comment -
Technically it wouldnt make silva a pedo because chael is in his thirties. It would make him a homo.Comment -
He's saying Silva was ripping off Chael's shorts like Albert Fish at a Hanson concert.Comment -
I think Weidman is probably available to be knocked out, but that doesn't necessarily mean it will happen. I haven't specifically watched footage to cap this fight, but I seem to recall Weidman having bad head positioning as Rubber Guard suggested in some thread in various fights, where Weidman could afford to do that and probably had a reach advantage.
At times Silva can execute a phenomenal KO like against Vitor or Henderson, and at others he hasn't when he should be able to, like against Maia when he had ring rust or against Lutter for however long that fight lasted. So just because Weidman is vulnerable to be knocked out, doesn't mean 100% Silva will be able to execute.
I think the most dangerous opponent for Silva would be someone with great body lock take downs. Chael, if he misses a couple of double legs together, is left floundering. But if you can take Silva down from the clinch you've got more options. I think Henderson might have a good shot in a rematch due to his upper body wrestling, if only it weren't 5 rounds.
Weidman should be able to get Chael down, and even if he misses a couple of TDs hasn't automatically lost the fight. Chael wouldn't have lost as soon as he did if he hadn't attempted the spinning backfist.
I'll be betting Weidman but don't know if it's an inspired decision.Comment -
One of Weidman's biggest strengths is that he's effective with both his upper body and lower body wrestling. Very rare amongst top level MMA wrestlers.
I think you raise a good point, but I disagree with you. Silva's ability to stop takedowns almost entirely relies on his distance control. Getting close enough to take Andereson down by attacking his legs is hard enough, attacking his upper body is even harder, especially when you consider how brilliant his clinch work is.Comment
