UFC 162 Silva Vs Weidman (July 06, 2013)

[PunisherIND]

I think the only way he wins is by decision.. I don't see him catching a choke on Anderson, he never really puts himself in a position to be caught in chokes. I think I'll play some of the roger Gracie/Tim Kennedy props when they open. Those should be easy to hit

i just picture weidman being on top for majority of the fight. i think he can get a head and arm choke, or darce. something like that. not a guillotine or rear naked.

[Dwil125]

I took hendo by split too though lol. I envisioned it being really close for the judged and the split lines were sweet.

Bellator is next, clearly I am the only degen who plays their risky ass cards here tho

im going to fade Ron sparks, and watch for the king mo opener. I took Hendo +3.5 also almost hit both sides

[PunisherIND]

I took hendo by split too though lol. I envisioned it being really close for the judged and the split lines were sweet.

Bellator is next, clearly I am the only degen who plays their risky ass cards here tho

bellator talk should heat up once the lines are released. come on brah, we hog analyze errything. didnt you see the thread on konfrontacja sztuk walki?

[Vaughany]

really? i think he should be able to get anderson down, and his grappling game is pretty sick. this isnt chael sonnen here.

That's kind of why I dont think Weidman's chances are as great as many seem to think despite being a SerraLongo nuthugger! Sonnen is all out attack, just tries to steamroll with relentless pressure and I think that worked well against Anderson (to a certain extent). Weidman doesnt have that kind of style, is more calculated, and I think giving Anderson more time to think isnt the best move.

As great as Weidman's grappling is, he's still relatively inexperienced, I can just imagine him losing, Anderson probably cruising to a decision and then, everybody including Weidman admitting he perhaps took the fight too soon! I'd love him to win though

[Grabaka]

really? i think he should be able to get anderson down, and his grappling game is pretty sick. this isnt chael sonnen here.

Im on Weidman itd too...i agree with pun...the amount of time with Weidman on top would open a lot of spots. Also took Weidman sub and Weidman Ko @ +1000 each but i might freeroll one of them.

[Dwil125]

more props out now, anything you like punisher?

[PunisherIND]

That's kind of why I dont think Weidman's chances are as great as many seem to think despite being a SerraLongo nuthugger! Sonnen is all out attack, just tries to steamroll with relentless pressure and I think that worked well against Anderson (to a certain extent). Weidman doesnt have that kind of style, is more calculated, and I think giving Anderson more time to think isnt the best move.

As great as Weidman's grappling is, he's still relatively inexperienced, I can just imagine him losing, Anderson probably cruising to a decision and then, everybody including Weidman admitting he perhaps took the fight too soon! I'd love him to win though

i hear you. fair enough. we all agree that it wouldnt be wise for weidman to spend too much time on the feet with anderson. therefore, i think he should be a more aggressive with the takedowns. that would be the smart game plan and im basically counting on him to fight smart. if he spends too much time standing, or isnt able to take silva down, then i think silva most likely gets a tko.

[more_betterness]

really? i think he should be able to get anderson down, and his grappling game is pretty sick. this isnt chael sonnen here.

I feel the same way, weidmans front headlock series is nasty, and if he gets Anderson down and in some of the positions Chael advanced to he is definitely capable of finishing. However I agree with vaughany that he's not as hyper aggressive as sonnen, but think he makes up for it with better timing/set ups for his shots.
Woulda been all over Weidman by sub at +1600 if I had access to bet online!

[Grabaka]

That's kind of why I dont think Weidman's chances are as great as many seem to think despite being a SerraLongo nuthugger! Sonnen is all out attack, just tries to steamroll with relentless pressure and I think that worked well against Anderson (to a certain extent). Weidman doesnt have that kind of style, is more calculated, and I think giving Anderson more time to think isnt the best move.

As great as Weidman's grappling is, he's still relatively inexperienced, I can just imagine him losing, Anderson probably cruising to a decision and then, everybody including Weidman admitting he perhaps took the fight too soon! I'd love him to win though

Dont be a partypooper dog... All he needs is go straight like Sonnen does and take him down. Once in the ground he can be more calculated and imo it might work.
But yeah, i dont feel he can be patient standing up or he will get hypnotized and koed.

[Dwil125]

Anderson wont even get in that front headlock position because He doesn't work for takedowns so he wont get stuffed and end up there. When he's on the ground he doesn't get there either he usually just works for the sub instead of getting up at least from what we have seen so far

[PunisherIND]

more props out now, anything you like punisher?

playing weidman sub +630 and anderson tko -110, thats all for now. to answer your previous question, i probably will throw something on sub of the night, depending on odds obviously. also havent looked at the entire card, so im not sure if there are many other potential subs.

[PunisherIND]

I feel the same way, weidmans front headlock series is nasty, and if he gets Anderson down and in some of the positions Chael advanced to he is definitely capable of finishing. However I agree with vaughany that he's not as hyper aggressive as sonnen, but think he makes up for it with better timing/set ups for his shots.
Woulda been all over Weidman by sub at +1600 if I had access to bet online!

mayne, im with you on this. almost opened an account there just for this line, but i've heard about some concerns with payouts, so i didnt bother.

[Grabaka]

mayne, im with you on this. almost opened an account there just for this line, but i've heard about some concerns with payouts, so i didnt bother.

I did opened it and while i did it the price dropped to +1000. .....What concerns? noooooooooooooooo

[bjpenn85]

Same with SBG global. They just dont do payouts.

[Grabaka]

[PunisherIND]

I did opened it and while i did it the price dropped to +1000. .....What concerns? noooooooooooooooo

i think the primary issue is length of payout. i believe people were saying it's been taking over 2 months to get paid.

[Grabaka]

I dont think i will have that problem with skrill.... paddy power used to send me checks and it was 1.5 months between asking for it and actually cashing it.

[more_betterness]

Anderson wont even get in that front headlock position because He doesn't work for takedowns so he wont get stuffed and end up there. When he's on the ground he doesn't get there either he usually just works for the sub instead of getting up at least from what we have seen so far

Completely agree about Anderson's tendency to stay on his back and look for subs rather than work to his feet, it's a major reason why I like Weidman here. In regards to the front headlock series I agree that it won't happen from a stuffed shot or scramble, but can definitely see him hitting one if the chokes in that series from mount or side control. If Weidman can pass like sonnen was able to in the second fight I really like his chances of finding a sub.

[Beelzebubzy]

I'm on weidman sub. Chael passed his guard why can't Chris. This fight needs one takedown. Add in the Anderson rib rumors we have ufc 117 again but against someone who is younger and more savvy on the ground.

[Rubber Guard]

everyone beats Anderson until they fight him. then they are left laying there clueless.

[mirinquads]

playing weidman sub +630 and anderson tko -110, thats all for now. to answer your previous question, i probably will throw something on sub of the night, depending on odds obviously. also havent looked at the entire card, so im not sure if there are many other potential subs.

Well if Weidman subs him it going to be sub of the night no matter what.

I have a play on Weidman Dec and sub at +1k and +1,6k+. I dont know about this fight man, I see all the points for Weidman winning, but the dude has 9 fights, non of the them against good opposition (Except Maia slightly, but he didn't show he could hang on the ground with him though)

I have a feeling he might just get matrixed in the first round, he doesnt have the same forward pressure as Shael, and I'm not sure about his cardio, TRT chael could keep the pace up for 5 rounds, not sure Weidman can. And Anderson TDD has improved TREMENDOUSLY after the 2 Shael fights. I think he's drilling sub defense this camp too.

[MD]

Well if Weidman subs him it going to be sub of the night no matter what.

I have a play on Weidman Dec and sub at +1k and +1,6k+. I dont know about this fight man, I see all the points for Weidman winning, but the dude has 9 fights, non of the them against good opposition (Except Maia slightly, but he didn't show he could hang on the ground with him though)

I have a feeling he might just get matrixed in the first round, he doesnt have the same forward pressure as Shael, and I'm not sure about his cardio, TRT chael could keep the pace up for 5 rounds, not sure Weidman can. And Anderson TDD has improved TREMENDOUSLY after the 2 Shael fights. I think he's drilling sub defense this camp too.

Maia had nothing for Weidman from his back. Weidman passed his guard and took him down whenever he wanted. Weidman's a lot bigger than Maia, but he was also exhausted in that fight from his weight cut, I think he showed very well that he can hang on the ground with Maia.

Silva's TDD has always been great, it didn't improve drastically because he fought Chael, he just looked bad in the first Chael fight due to an injury. Silva having trouble against wrestlers is a meme.

[bjpenn85]

[Dwil125]

Man that Maia/weidman fight sucked. Watched it In person

[mirinquads]

I'm mixing fights up, he did show that actually. Which was a good feather in his hat. Maia didn't look good though not that that's an excuse. Disagree with the tdd though especially in pride.

He's double leg is not as good as*Chaels though, and upperbody clinch type takedowns, which he has used a lot in the past and is good at, might not be a good place to be with Anderson. His clinch work against Bonnar was otherworldly. Wiedmans chin hasn't been tested much either.

All that said, value is still on The Great White Hope.

[Sacrelicious]

Weidman itd. Alsoo huge on edgar here, missed the opener on frankie but still pounded what I believe to be a goood price.

Frankie and olivera will not be remotely competitive.

[Dwil125]

I was thinking Frankie Edgar would just cruise to a ud. I have Edgar decision in a couple parlays, I'll probably take him -3.5 to cover my decision bet. Seems like everyone is thinking Edgar itd...

[MD]

I'm mixing fights up, he did show that actually. Which was a good feather in his hat. Maia didn't look good though not that that's an excuse. Disagree with the tdd though especially in pride.

He's double leg is not as good as*Chaels though, and upperbody clinch type takedowns, which he has used a lot in the past and is good at, might not be a good place to be with Anderson. His clinch work against Bonnar was otherworldly. Wiedmans chin hasn't been tested much either.

All that said, value is still on The Great White Hope.

In PRIDE, Anderson definitely had very little in the way of TDD and BJJ. I agree with you there. He's had excellent TDD for years though.

His double leg isn't as fast as Chael's, but he's technically superior. If you want a good gauge of how good Weidman's wrestling is, there's a John Danaher interview where he's discussing Weidman and GSP. He described Weidman as GSP but much larger, and said that while Weidman had better upper body wrestling, they were equal in terms of lower body wrestling and double-leg takedowns, and that GSP had better top control while Weidman had better submissions. He also spoke favourably about how their striking compares to each other. If you know much about Danaher, you know that's huge praise.

[GunShard]

Anderson Silva is a good striker.

Anderson Silva and Jose Aldo are an excellent strikers, not good strikers like you said Vaughany.

How I describe from best to worst:
Excellent, Good, Average, Bad, Poor.

Chris Weidman is a good striker that has an excellent ground game than Silva.

[MD]

Anderson Silva is an elite striker better than Weidman.
Chris Weidman has poor cardio but has stronger ground game than Silva.

LOL.

[Sacrelicious]

Silva is a legit Brazillian.

[GunShard]

MD has made strong arguments.

I'm re watching Weidman and Silva past fights before making a conclusion to bet on.

[Grabaka]

Come on tarzan....that was the weakest breakdown

[GunShard]

I wasn't making a breakdown. I'm still rewatching past fights.

[mirinquads]

Anderson Silva and Jose Aldo are an excellent strikers, not good strikers like you said Vaughany.

How I describe from best to worst:
Excellent, Good, Average, Bad, Poor.

Chris Weidman is a good striker that has an excellent ground game than Silva.

HAHA this guy is awesome