UFC 162 Silva Vs Weidman (July 06, 2013)

[mirinquads]

In PRIDE, Anderson definitely had very little in the way of TDD and BJJ. I agree with you there. He's had excellent TDD for years though.

His double leg isn't as fast as Chael's, but he's technically superior. If you want a good gauge of how good Weidman's wrestling is, there's a John Danaher interview where he's discussing Weidman and GSP. He described Weidman as GSP but much larger, and said that while Weidman had better upper body wrestling, they were equal in terms of lower body wrestling and double-leg takedowns, and that GSP had better top control while Weidman had better submissions. He also spoke favourably about how their striking compares to each other. If you know much about Danaher, you know that's huge praise.

GSP's Coach aye? Yeah that is actually damn impressive, any link to the interview? Coaches of fighters rarely rate other fighters as being better out in the open like that. I feel Andersons usually strategy of just laying and fishing for subs will be a very bad idea against someone as good at BJJ as Wiedman, Giving him longer time to work for a sub and less time trying to maintain top control. It's all about if he can get him there and if he will actively pursue it as much as he should.

[Grabaka]

Ive been watching a lot of wrestling matches from Chris and he does attack from everywhere and super fast. Upper body and lower body TDs. Not the most flawless wrestling defense but very scrambly. He looks like his UFC matches have not shown all of what hes capable of.

[MD]

I'm 90% sure it was on the MMA hour.

[Vaughany]

I wasn't making a breakdown. I'm still rewatching past fights.

you mean youtube highlight reels?!

[Vaughany]

Anderson Silva and Jose Aldo are an excellent strikers, not good strikers like you said Vaughany.

How I describe from best to worst:
Excellent, Good, Average, Bad, Poor.

Chris Weidman is a good striker that has an excellent ground game than Silva.

hahahaha

[mirinquads]

hahahaha

Rofl

Status: Told [x] Not Told [ ]

[PunisherIND]

couple of new lines released

[Vaughany]

I'll only take Kennedy as dog, hopefully money will come in on Hoger.

Paddy has Machida at -275, and Maia at -275

[Educ8d Degener8]

I need to get up on dem torrent sites and review Siver an Swanson footage... I know cub is hot right now and all, but.... Hmmm

[goodfellas433]

I'll only take Kennedy as dog, hopefully money will come in on Hoger.



Paddy has Machida at -275, and Maia at -275

I was going to ask how you viewed the Gracie fight. I have been flip flopping on it personally and may just have to do a prop

[mirinquads]

I need to get up on dem torrent sites and review Siver an Swanson footage... I know cub is hot right now and all, but.... Hmmm

Siver rarely does well when pressured, which Swanson will most certainly do, but the line is pretty crazy..

[DonnyMcslick]

Man that Maia/weidman fight sucked. Watched it In person

Brutal. I think it was an opener for a fox card too. I wonder how many people changed the channel after that.

[MD]

Siver rarely does well when pressured, which Swanson will most certainly do, but the line is pretty crazy..

Siver overvalued I think.

[Vaughany]

yeah I thought Swanson would be nearer -250

[Vaughany]

I was going to ask how you viewed the Gracie fight. I have been flip flopping on it personally and may just have to do a prop

I think Kennedy has a decent chance, he is a grinder and has a high-pressure style that could overwhelm Gracie. He survived for 5 rounds against Jacare so maybe he can survive for three against Roger

[Vaughany]

Kennedy now +110 dog on sportbet, hopefully get to +150 range

[Vaughany]

Played Munoz/Boetsch Over 2.5 @ -125

[goodfellas433]

Siver rarely does well when pressured, which Swanson will most certainly do, but the line is pretty crazy..

Mirinquads- you got any ball tinglers in the works?

penetrating feijao killed an 800 dollar tingler for me two weeks ago, didn't have one last week.

[MD]

I've maxi-bet that Munoz/Boetsch fight so many times, and the lines are staying steady. Unreal. This is like Christmas.

[PunisherIND]

Played Munoz/Boetsch Over 2.5 @ -125

nice one. i missed those openers at dimes.

would have played munoz opener as well.

[Vaughany]

NEWS: Anderson Silva just knocked out a training partner, leaves training upset

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In the final stretch of training for the long-awaited title defense against Chris Weidman, on the 6th of July in Las Vegas, the sparring workouts of ChampionAnderson Silva are on fire. Scheduled to travel Los Angeles on Saturday (22), where he should make his last week of training, Anderson is back to old form. Just ask his teammates from X-Gym, who helped Spider to make five rounds.

As usual, the champion moved a lot, let his guard down and allowed a few hits enter to simulate an unfavorable situation, he recovered in time to dominate the action and win the round.

Even requiring all the fighters at sparring to use shin guards and head guards, the Spider could not avoid an incident in the last round, when he landed a kick to the head of the partner who get knocked out.

Worried, Anderson immediately stopped the training to help the partner. The fellow came to himself, but Anderson, visibly upset, stoped his workout immediately and went to the locker room. "He hates it when these fatalities happen with teammates, so he left upset and didn't even spoke with Minotauro, who came here today to watch his training," said coach Ramon Lemos.

[Educ8d Degener8]

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[mirinquads]

Can you tell me why you'll are so high on Munoz?

Guy came in at 260 in this camp. Has been injury riddled in the past, and just had some surgeries. Never a good thing. He's looked slow and awful in his last couple of fights.

Sure he is a 'world class' wrestler and pretty athletic, but his striking is not good and he's trained in a style of wrestling that's not great for MMA, especially takedowns. He's takedown defense seems decent, but against Boetch's judo? Depends if he has trained for that. Boetch took down Costa 2 times in their fight, and was soundly winning, until he broke his hands, got kicked in the balls and started bleeding into his own eyes.

Boetch generally has the more effective striking standing (Though still not impressive) and he has heart and toughness for days. He's not going to fold under pressure. He's also younger then Munoz and less shopworn, although his recent fights and injuries worry me.

Im definitely waiting til the weighins with this one. Munoz have more of a name but has always been overrated. Beating a sick Chris Leben, lay and praying middleweight Maia and almost getting finished by Grove of all people, does not a great fighter make.

Going to have to watch tape though.

[mirinquads]

Mirinquads- you got any ball tinglers in the works?

penetrating feijao killed an 800 dollar tingler for me two weeks ago, didn't have one last week.

Yeah pissed me off watching that mufugga just quit like that, and keep throwing strikes into Silvas guard. Should have worked the body. And the penetrating exercise bike. Hit everything else too.

This on is difficult though. A lot of difficult ones to call imo. Though Pierce, Gonzaga, Edgar and possibly Swanson could at least be some fodder. Maybe some probs too.

Been one off so many damn times, Beany I hope youre ashamed of your self!

[Vaughany]

Can you tell me why you'll are so high on Munoz?

Guy came in at 260 in this camp. Has been injury riddled in the past, and just had some surgeries. Never a good thing. He's looked slow and awful in his last couple of fights.

Sure he is a 'world class' wrestler and pretty athletic, but his striking is not good and he's trained in a style of wrestling that's not great for MMA, especially takedowns. He's takedown defense seems decent, but against Boetch's judo? Depends if he has trained for that. Boetch took down Costa 2 times in their fight, and was soundly winning, until he broke his hands, got kicked in the balls and started bleeding into his own eyes.

Boetch generally has the more effective striking standing (Though still not impressive) and he has heart and toughness for days. He's not going to fold under pressure. He's also younger then Munoz and less shopworn, although his recent fights and injuries worry me.

Im definitely waiting til the weighins with this one. Munoz have more of a name but has always been overrated. Beating a sick Chris Leben, lay and praying middleweight Maia and almost getting finished by Grove of all people, does not a great fighter make.

Going to have to watch tape though.

yeah Boetsch could win a decision similar to Lombard fight. Munoz was taken down twice by Leben so no doubt that Boetsch can do it if he sets it up with his striking. Keeping Munoz down is another matter though

[eligibletackle]

Silva's TDD has always been great, it didn't improve drastically because he fought Chael, he just looked bad in the first Chael fight due to an injury. Silva having trouble against wrestlers is a meme.

please - henderson and lutter had little trouble. Silva has the luxury of some fighters respecting his reach but when anyone w/ above average TDs makes an attempt the end result is a TD.

I capped this fight in the other thread - love Weidman here. You can analyze his MMA wrestling and compare it to Chael's, etc., but it's absolutely good enough to put Silva on his back consistently - no need to dig deeper. He's got a more fluid top game than Sonnen and isn't as content to remain in half-guard. Sonnen was able to move into half guard w/ too much ease - I don't think Silva's BJJ fundamentals are anything special - his long legs & ability to bait make him an obvious threat in some areas but sweeps & preventing guard passes are where he's weakest w/ BJJ - and those would be real good to have vs a guy like Weidman. **cliche alert** Chris Weidman on 7/6 will probably be the best version - young athletes w/ this much gym time & the will to learn can improve exponentially as seen w/ Cain in his run up to the title. The gameplan on how to beat Silva has been out there, chael validated it, and Weidman is the MW best equipped to follow it for a W. Whether he executes it on gameday is the big if here b/c Silva knocks a lot of people out.

The best looking prop i see is Weidman by TKO +900 - I've been envisioning a Rd 2 or 3 GnP finish for a while - still see it.

[eligibletackle]

And where to we see the line movement going? - Silva should get action from friday til fight time due to the influx of casual gamblers on july 4th weekend. I think Weidman gets more of the action until fight week.


I'm very big @ +250 & +220. Only other dog plays where I had around much invested was Carwin +155/Mir and Aldo +125/Brown - and I'm bigger here. Current line is still great value.

[Vaughany]

please - henderson and lutter had little trouble. Silva has the luxury of some fighters respecting his reach but when anyone w/ above average TDs makes an attempt the end result is a TD.

I capped this fight in the other thread - love Weidman here. You can analyze his MMA wrestling and compare it to Chael's, etc., but it's absolutely good enough to put Silva on his back consistently - no need to dig deeper. He's got a more fluid top game than Sonnen and isn't as content to remain in half-guard. Sonnen was able to move into half guard w/ too much ease - I don't think Silva's BJJ fundamentals are anything special - his long legs & ability to bait make him an obvious threat in some areas but sweeps & preventing guard passes are where he's weakest w/ BJJ - and those would be real good to have vs a guy like Weidman. **cliche alert** Chris Weidman on 7/6 will probably be the best version - young athletes w/ this much gym time & the will to learn can improve exponentially as seen w/ Cain in his run up to the title. The gameplan on how to beat Silva has been out there, chael validated it, and Weidman is the MW best equipped to follow it for a W. Whether he executes it on gameday is the big if here b/c Silva knocks a lot of people out.

The best looking prop i see is Weidman by TKO +900 - I've been envisioning a Rd 2 or 3 GnP finish for a while - still see it.

Anderson has an amazing chin, going to take some brutal gnp to stopmhim

[mirinquads]

Anderson isnt getting stopped by ground and pound.. Not even close. He has too much will and too good of a chin. Sub or perhaps decision is more likely, Im not sure Wiedman has the gastank to decision Anderson though.

[The iron sheik]

I just have the feeling Weidman will be embarrassed

[Dwil125]

Anderson isnt getting stopped by ground and pound.. Not even close. He has too much will and too good of a chin. Sub or perhaps decision is more likely, Im not sure Wiedman has the gastank to decision Anderson though.

i think a decision is his only chance

[MD]

i think a decision is his only chance

You don't think Anderson Silva can be submitted from top position by a guy who gave Andre Galvao all he could handle in pure grappling with very little experience?

Also, lots of lines just came out. Oh God, it's like Christmas. Barnett -230

[The iron sheik]

been waiting for barnettos line for ages
<3 babyface

[Beelzebubzy]

Mir doesn't matchup well.

Capped it at -400 for warmaster

Aldo -700
Machida who the hell knows. What wrestler has given machida trouble? He gave jones a fit with his movement

[MD]

please - henderson and lutter had little trouble. Silva has the luxury of some fighters respecting his reach but when anyone w/ above average TDs makes an attempt the end result is a TD.

I capped this fight in the other thread - love Weidman here. You can analyze his MMA wrestling and compare it to Chael's, etc., but it's absolutely good enough to put Silva on his back consistently - no need to dig deeper. He's got a more fluid top game than Sonnen and isn't as content to remain in half-guard. Sonnen was able to move into half guard w/ too much ease - I don't think Silva's BJJ fundamentals are anything special - his long legs & ability to bait make him an obvious threat in some areas but sweeps & preventing guard passes are where he's weakest w/ BJJ - and those would be real good to have vs a guy like Weidman. **cliche alert** Chris Weidman on 7/6 will probably be the best version - young athletes w/ this much gym time & the will to learn can improve exponentially as seen w/ Cain in his run up to the title. The gameplan on how to beat Silva has been out there, chael validated it, and Weidman is the MW best equipped to follow it for a W. Whether he executes it on gameday is the big if here b/c Silva knocks a lot of people out.

The best looking prop i see is Weidman by TKO +900 - I've been envisioning a Rd 2 or 3 GnP finish for a while - still see it.

Chael, arguably the best wrestler in that division, succeeded on 3 of 7 takedown attempts against Anderson in a fight where Anderson had injured ribs. Good analysis bro.