UFC 162 Silva Vs Weidman (July 06, 2013)

mmaed · 06-27-13, 09:12 PM

Reslly ko? Oliviera seems to be good at getting knocked out. I hsve to wonder if fanki has the power.

mmaed · 06-27-13, 09:13 PM

Btw. If your going to take frankie ko, you might as well throw somethijng on frankie ko of the night.

Sacrelicious · 06-27-13, 09:15 PM

I have frankie itd as well... Frankie edgar straight though, I only started betting a year ago, but props included, the only larger bet I ever have placed was gsp over diaz. This fight is a joke.

MD · 06-27-13, 09:15 PM

Frankie has a surprising amount of power, he just doesn't strike with much force. It's a technique thing more than anything; he strikes with volume. Maynard has a great chin, even in the Grant fight he took some serious f-cking bombs before the fight was stopped, and Frankie hit him hard. Frankie also dropped Bendo repeatedly, although Bendo's chin isn't exactly iron.

Beelzebubzy · 06-27-13, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by MD

Frankie has a surprising amount of power, he just doesn't strike with much force. It's a technique thing more than anything; he strikes with volume. Maynard has a great chin, even in the Grant fight he took some serious f-cking bombs before the fight was stopped, and Frankie hit him hard. Frankie also dropped Bendo repeatedly, although Bendo's chin isn't exactly iron.

did he drop Penn or Sherk?

I think he dropped Veach

Sacrelicious · 06-27-13, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

did he drop Penn or Sherk?

I think he dropped Veach

Dude, this is olivera.

Unreal.

I wonder how much of an under the table deal they are giving olivera to fight edgar...

MD · 06-27-13, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

did he drop Penn or Sherk?

I think he dropped Veach

No one has ever dropped Penn. He knocked out Mark Bocek though, no one else has been able to do that. I don't think he knocked down Sherk, but he did knock down Veach with a straight right.

mmaed · 06-27-13, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by MD

Frankie has a surprising amount of power, he just doesn't strike with much force. It's a technique thing more than anything; he strikes with volume. Maynard has a great chin, even in the Grant fight he took some serious f-cking bombs before the fight was stopped, and Frankie hit him hard. Frankie also dropped Bendo repeatedly, although Bendo's chin isn't exactly iron.

Thats a good point, oliviera isnt that bad standing despite his losses. He has solid reach and has done some damage.

bjpenn85 · 06-28-13, 04:29 AM

Oliveira made nick lentz look so bad (and were is nick lentz know?) youll have to wonder the lock status people giving frankie edgar in this matchup. With frankie states " it will be good to get an easy win" and stuff like that, there may be a possibility that he overlooking this kid. Oliveira has lost to jim miller, cerrone, and to swanson. While that shows weaknesses, it also becomes a strength in terms of experience. A loss to swanson and cerrone, how bad is that really for a 20 year old mma fighter in the ufc?

He has 15 cm reach on frankie, BUT his striking isnt bad, uses faint and if memory serves me correctly his footwork is pretty smooth as well, and quick. Oliveiras wrestling isnt on frankies level, but his bjj is awesome. Oliveira have nothing to loose, everyones counting him out. I absolutely going to hedge my frankie play.

bjpenn85 · 06-28-13, 04:29 AM

where/now

eligibletackle · 06-28-13, 04:39 AM

Originally posted by bjpenn85

(and were is nick lentz know?)

at 145, consistently undervalued and doing quite well for himself

MD · 06-28-13, 04:42 AM

Originally posted by eligibletackle

at 145, consistently undervalued and doing quite well for himself

That is the point of his post...

bjpenn85 · 06-28-13, 04:54 AM

Rofl

Beelzebubzy · 06-28-13, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by MD

No one has ever dropped Penn. He knocked out Mark Bocek though, no one else has been able to do that. I don't think he knocked down Sherk, but he did knock down Veach with a straight right.

He swept Penn with a leg kick

Beelzebubzy · 06-28-13, 08:26 AM

Chris Weidman weighs 203 today. Looking good with 8 days to go

Beelzebubzy · 06-28-13, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by mmaed

Reslly ko? Oliviera seems to be good at getting knocked out. I hsve to wonder if fanki has the power.

Aren't Aloe Vera's two KO losses by body shots?

MD · 06-28-13, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

He swept Penn with a leg kick

We both know that's not a knockdown.

Thor4140 · 06-28-13, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by MD

I like Boetsch here. Think he should be stronger and have far better stand up. Tougher, too.

Yeah well so do i and i bet most do to which means this will most likely go three and then u have to pray u don't get screwed.

Thor4140 · 06-28-13, 09:11 AM

Frankie line just to high for a risk by me. He could get clipped and have this guy on his back for a round. I hope he steamrolls this kid but the guy isn't a bonafide can. To risky at these odds

mmaed · 06-28-13, 09:30 AM

It's going to be a Frankie-tocolypse if he loses.

Beelzebubzy · 06-28-13, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by MD

We both know that's not a knockdown.

how does compustrike score it?

MD · 06-28-13, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

how does compustrike score it?

I've never seen anyone score that kind of thing as a knock-down. I'm sure Compustrike wouldn't either.

Would say a lot about Edgar if he knocked down BJ though. The guy fought Lyoto Machida and arguably won (should have won, I thought), he fought Rory Mac and got molested, he fought Nick Diaz and got molested, he fought GSP and got molested, and yet he's never been knocked down or KO'd in his career.

Beelzebubzy · 06-28-13, 10:04 AM

I'm not scoring it a knockdown
just would be interestin to see how it was scored

yes I was too lazeeee to google

Dwil125 · 06-28-13, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by bjpenn85

Oliveira made nick lentz look so bad (and were is nick lentz know?) youll have to wonder the lock status people giving frankie edgar in this matchup. With frankie states " it will be good to get an easy win" and stuff like that, there may be a possibility that he overlooking this kid. Oliveira has lost to jim miller, cerrone, and to swanson. While that shows weaknesses, it also becomes a strength in terms of experience. A loss to swanson and cerrone, how bad is that really for a 20 year old mma fighter in the ufc?

He has 15 cm reach on frankie, BUT his striking isnt bad, uses faint and if memory serves me correctly his footwork is pretty smooth as well, and quick. Oliveiras wrestling isnt on frankies level, but his bjj is awesome. Oliveira have nothing to loose, everyones counting him out. I absolutely going to hedge my frankie play.

That's why I don't think Edgar is going to go out there and knock him out. He's probably going to out strike him and seal the rounds with takedowns at like 45 seconds to go.

Dwil125 · 06-28-13, 10:56 AM

Oliveira did just quit in his last fight though.. Im playing his -3.5 line in case my decision prop doesn't hit.

bjpenn85 · 06-28-13, 01:11 PM

But most people quit when they get hit really hard to the body. He kind of shaked that off, but meanwhile, he got hit again, this time hard to the skull, flush to the skull. Frankie doesnt have that type of technique. Swanson camouflaged that hook really nice. Real smart ass move there. Anyway, Both cerrone and swanson used kicks to make oliveira hesitant. what does frankie bring to the table. Hopefully takedowns that wins him the round. Im scared this could turn out to be a really edgy split dec. Good this isnt in brazil. OR maybe im just overthinking/overanalysing

Dwil125 · 06-28-13, 01:27 PM

He did get blasted in the body before that headshot, I kind of forgot. lol I just remembered him getting hit in the head and turning around and walking to the fence before collapsing to the mat

bjpenn85 · 06-28-13, 01:45 PM

ha ha if he did he should have been expelled from the ufc. The worst pussy in ufc history was actually a norwegian (a real shocker). I dont know if you remember dan evensen? He blew of the fight by himself. Its not that it isnt understandable because it is, it just so phaget to take the initiative to stop the fight before the referee.

mmaed · 06-28-13, 02:01 PM

I think Frankie could have a somewhat tough time outstriking Oliviera though I think he can do it. Not by a huge margin IMO due to Olivieras reach and overall technique. I am pretty convinced he can take him down though. I don't see why he would have a huge problem there. Especially considering how lanky Oliviera is.

bjpenn85 · 06-28-13, 02:12 PM

I agree with that. Oliveira is moderate to largely easy to take down. But is franky capable to hold him there without getting submitted. Yes, probably for a little while. He is probably smart enough also to identify risk and to get away if he feels that he is in trouble submissionally lol. But frankie isn not going to outstrike oliveira by a lot, therefor i would say the odds is ridiculous at this point. This is not cain vs antonio silva. On paper this is not a frekin landslide.

Sacrelicious · 06-28-13, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by bjpenn85

I agree with that. Oliveira is moderate to largely easy to take down. But is franky capable to hold him there without getting submitted. Yes, probably for a little while. He is probably smart enough also to identify risk and to get away if he feels that he is in trouble submissionally lol. But frankie isn not going to outstrike oliveira by a lot, therefor i would say the odds is ridiculous at this point. This is not cain vs antonio silva. On paper this is not a frekin landslide.

Have peoples opinions of frankie edgar degenerated this much? Unreal.

Thor4140 · 06-28-13, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by Sacrelicious

Have peoples opinions of frankie edgar degenerated this much? Unreal.

No,it is just a dangerous fight at those high odds. Frankie doesn't have one punch power or one kick power and he will be dancing with a guy who has quick subs so at 5 to 1 it is not worth the risk. Funny what BJ Penn said (im calling a fukin poster bj penn for goodness sakes) about Cain and Silva (a fight worth the risk). That is exactly what i thought when i was thinking about risking big odds. I think i laid four or five hundred on Jones over Sonnen and came away within a whisker of a complete disaster if Jones doesn't finish Sonnen late in the first round.

Rubber Guard · 06-28-13, 03:49 PM

this is a moderate-large possible fix

Dwil125 · 06-28-13, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by bjpenn85

ha ha if he did he should have been expelled from the ufc. The worst pussy in ufc history was actually a norwegian (a real shocker). I dont know if you remember dan evensen? He blew of the fight by himself. Its not that it isnt understandable because it is, it just so phaget to take the initiative to stop the fight before the referee.

I remember that guy

I had to look him up, his name didn't sound familiar at all. I think Kalib starnes may have him beat though

Dwil125 · 06-28-13, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by MD

Frankie has a surprising amount of power, he just doesn't strike with much force. It's a technique thing more than anything; he strikes with volume. Maynard has a great chin, even in the Grant fight he took some serious f-cking bombs before the fight was stopped, and Frankie hit him hard. Frankie also dropped Bendo repeatedly, although Bendo's chin isn't exactly iron.

Bendo just slipped, didn't you see him wipe his foot??