on3's MLB 2012 Opening Game system thread 194-8 last year +60 units

[Nino7]

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[swordsandtequila]

so you took the total loss ($62.60) and put half on the top line and half on the 2nd line right?

The top line originally read: 10-10-10-10. After the 2 losses, you put half of the loss to the end which made it 10-10-10-10-31.30. Because we won with Texas, you crossed off two 10s which now means we have a line of 10-10-31.30. We bet the first and last numbers so we're betting to win $41.30.

Am I correct?

Yes, assuming your running the same value labby lines ($10 units). Obviously the amount varies based on the size of unit played (size of your unit didn't sound right ). Appears he added the loss to last unit on second line (total 41.30) vs. adding to end of line (10-10-10-10-31.30). Either way works; his way you bet more but recover quicker. second way little slower but easier on the bankroll.

[Nino7]

LAD to win 41.30 okay so we only profit $10 on this one although 1 unit is $20

[sstrunks52005]

so are we no longer playing the colorado and phillies series since he's putting the losses onto the dodgers game?

are we just spreading risk from the phillies/rockies game onto the dodgers game? for the 2nd game of the phillies/rockies series how much do we bet then?

[drnkyourmlkshk]

Just so Im clear I bet 15 on the rox and phils yesterday risking 24 and 21.50 tomorrow both of my bets will 30-30 is that correct? What am i doing wrong? I understand if my thinking is off? I look at all the posts and I assume 15-15-15-15-15 would be 75 would be the most I will be risking on a C bet is that correct? 15$ a unit with a 1900$ roll is enough correct?

[J.M. Disciple]

Why are you all making the labby so confusing? it is really simple!!!!!!


He is running 3 labby lines!

10 - 10 - 10 - 10
10 - 10 - 10 - 10
10 - 10 - 10 - 10

Yesterday Texas won so your lines become:
X- 10 - 10 - x
10 - 10 - 10 - 10
10 - 10 - 10 - 10

You notice only TWO numbers are now on the top line. He then took the total loss from one game and added it to the top line. Then took the loss from the other game and added it to the 2nd line.

10 - 10 - ($30)
10 - 10 - 10 - 10 ($30)

The "($30)" is the amount you lost. Remember we are labbying each series not using martingale. You may recover your loss from Col and Phi with the dodgers series.

Basically if we had two bets today; bet 1 would be to win "$40" on line #1 and bet #2 would be to win "$40" on line #2. On3 is playing multiple series on each line. If my thinking is correct, Line 1 would be for your "A bets" and line 2 for your "B bets."

That is why LAD today is betting to win 2 units instead of 1 unit. We are labbying the system with 3 lines; we are NOT using martingale.

Please stop making the labby so confusing.

If you only ran 1 line the system would work just fine as well. Your bets would be a little higher, but your losses would recover faster.

For example:
yesterday I ran 1 line.

10 - 10 - 10 - 10
Phi and COl both lost so my line became:

10 - 10 - 10 - 10 - 30 - 30
*rounding the #s to make the math simple*

Then I took the 6 #s and averaged them out.
16.67 - 16.67 - 16.67 - 16.67 -16.67 - 16.67

I then bet 4 #s on texas to win (16.67 x 4) $66.68. Texas won. My line today is
16.67 - 16.67

So im betting LAD to win (16.67 x 2) $33.34. After I win on the dogers my line will be cleared and ill be up 2 units.

Make sense?
*two units per line
*put the amount you risked at the end of your line
*average out your line
*bet to win two #s at a time
*if you win cross off two #s. If you lose add your loss to end of the line.

On3 is running 3 lines to reduce the variance. He is also not averaging out the lines to make it simpler for everyone on the thread to understand.

Please Please Please stop making it so confusing.
JMD

[timmyboy34243]

where are the " double filter " numbers calculated into the labby?

[Gamble32jn]

I really wanna say explain the whole thing fully but I will just look it up online and if i find a link that explains it all I will post it so u dont have to continue to explain it.


this might help- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labouch%C3%A8re_system

[J.M. Disciple]

where are the " double filter " numbers calculated into the labby?

The filtered "3 labby lines" are separate from the regular system.

System #1 "chase" a team starting at home for 3 consecutive games with juice -145 or higher in their opening game.

system #2: Same as system #1, but apply the filter to their first game of "the O/U must be at least 9.

There system explained in two sentences.

Labby each game on 1-3 lines depending on your comfort zone.

If you all still do not understand the system by now, maybe sports betting is not for you.

JMD

[J.M. Disciple]

where are the " double filter " numbers calculated into the labby?

sorry do not think i answered your question fully.

3 seperate lines for the filtered games.

10 - 10 - 10 - 10
10 - 10 - 10 - 10
10 - 10 - 10 - 10

Yesterday texas won so now your filtered lines are:
x - 10 - 10 - x
10 - 10 - 10 - 10
10 - 10 - 10 - 10

If texas had lost your lines would be
10 - 10 - 10 - 10 - 40
10 - 10 - 10 - 10
10 - 10 - 10 - 10

**JMD**

[J.M. Disciple]

I do not mind helping people out with the labby if you all help me out with tracking the games coming up the next day. I do not have much time to keep track of who is at home for the next 3 games. I can check the juice online, just please help me keep track of the next days plays.

Thanks
JMD

Great Job on3. I'll try and help you out as much as possible with all these noobies (no offense if your a noob).

[on3]

My units number is off. Will update in a bit. Should be around +2.25

[soul786]

Yeah people are really over complicating the lines for no reason. I just started and if you think about how the system works and what the labby's do for you, its pretty logical

I'm only playing filtered so my chase continues tomorrow with Colorado. No new series starting the 11th either.

[The HOFF]

I do not mind helping people out with the labby if you all help me out with tracking the games coming up the next day. I do not have much time to keep track of who is at home for the next 3 games. I can check the juice online, just please help me keep track of the next days plays.

I believe it is in post #92. I have already created a list of all of the potential A bets. I usually try to post the next day's list the night before also.

[J.M. Disciple]

I believe it is in post #92. I have already created a list of all of the potential A bets. I usually try to post the next day's list the night before also.

You got my 2pts.


We got a tie game in the late innings....

COMMMON DODGERS!!!!!

[mitchp]

1-2 on the day. I took the $32.60 lost on COL and the $30 lost on PHI and added them to our lines. I also crossed off the $20 we won we TEX.

System record 5-0-0; 2-0-0
Units +2.25
1 unit = $20

4/10

#5 -- miami @ PHI PENDING (B)
#6 -- san fran @ COL PENDING (B) -- o/u 9.5
#8 -- pitt @ LAD -215 (A) -- o/u 6.5

Game 1 win = 5-2
Game 2 win = 0-0
Game 3 win = 0-0

Labby Line (regular)

x-10-10-31.30
10-10-10-41.30
10-10-10-10

Labby Line (filter)

x-10-10-32.60 (new)

LAD to win 41.30

On3,

So if I understand you, if you lose the LAD game, you will take the amount you bet, divided by two, place half on line one (possibly add it to the $31.30) and add the other half to the $41.30 on line #2.

Mitch

[swordsandtequila]

so are we no longer playing the colorado and phillies series since he's putting the losses onto the dodgers game?

are we just spreading risk from the phillies/rockies game onto the dodgers game? for the 2nd game of the phillies/rockies series how much do we bet then?

Yes we are playing them, for some reason they are off today and resume their respective series tomorrow. Go to this link and read it over and over (as I did) and it will make sense.

http://platinumsportsinvesting.com/labourchere.aspx

Read the entire page, but pay more attention to the part titled: 6/18/09 - Latest Labourchere Update (middle of page)

This most closely resembles what on3 is running in this thread. As J.M.D. said, we're making this way more complicated than it needs to be. Focus on the labby lines, just play the games as they come. Where ever you are in your line (game 1,2, or 3) that's the bet you play for any corresponding game. Simply, tomorrow I will make 2 game 2 bets (PHI and COL) as they both lost game 1. Bet will be to win x units, x being whatever the sum of the first and last unit on your game 2 labby line. What on3 is betting is based on his bankroll, use the template and base the unit size on your bankroll. Use 1 line if it's easier; 3 lines makes the risk more manageable (smaller bets).

I prefer to make all plays in any given day at once, as opposed to betting and adjusting lines after each game. Just think it's easier to manage. For instance, yesterday there were 5 total plays. I bet all 5 plays to win the same number of units, in my case 2 (using a 1-1-1-1 line). At the end of the day, factor wins first, striking first and last number for each win, then adding any losses to end of line. Splitting the losses dampens the hit. You can add them up and average the whole line, as J.M.D. does or add each loss separately. If we win both game 2's tomorrow, strike 2 sets of numbers. This is detailed and explained very clearly in the link posted above.

Can't repeat this enough, don't focus so much on the games. If we're playing 5 different games in a given day, just apply the corresponding labby line to each series (game 1, game 2, game 3) and make the bet. If they're all game 1's, then use labby line 1. Read the link!

[J.M. Disciple]

On3,

So if I understand you, if you lose the LAD game, you will take the amount you bet, divided by two, place half on line one (possibly add it to the $31.30) and add the other half to the $41.30 on line #2.

Mitch

i CAN probably answer this one for you. He will not be dividing the loss by 2. The point of the labby is to add 1 # to the line when you lose and cross off two #s when you win. He will only be adding the loss or WIN NOW! ... as 1 # to line 1.

[eric14tsui]

Another Winner!

[J.M. Disciple]

LAD win!!!! +2 units now for me. I started only yesterday... Hopefully stay on pace for 1 unit per day LOL.... I know that wont happen seeing how last season only made 60 units.

For you serious ballers out there who like to clear your line fast and I am not sure if I should mention this or not, but if your bankroll can handle it, then I would suggest it for you; given you have a smallish unit size.

labby line: 10-10-10-10

If you bet $30 to win $20 (-150) odds instead of adding a # to the line average it among the 4#s you already have.

10-10-10-10+$30 = $70 / 4

New line after one loss: $17.50 - $17.50 - 17.50 - 17.50

Now instead of 10-10-10-10-30 (5 numbers) you are left with 17.50 x 4, so you will only need two wins to clear your line instead of 3 wins. Because of the juice involved and not adding any new numbers to your line, your bets will be heavier but takes less wins to clear your line and profit 2 units.

comparing the two.

Bet 1: $30 to win $20
Bet 2: $60 to win $40
Profit: $10 (3#s left)

compared to averaging it out.
bet 1: $30 to win $20
bet 2; $52.50 to win $35
Profit: $15 (2 #s left)

[SlickRick1382]

What happens to those of us who missed this and were under the impression of betting the phillies and colorado series tomorrow? Where should we spread this too, if anywhere ....

[CrazyCarl]

10 - 10 - ($30)
10 - 10 - 10 - 10 ($30)

What do you do with a labby when it gets down to 1 number (i.e., you win the $40 bet on the top line)? Do you bet half a unit to clear the line?

[swordsandtequila]

What happens to those of us who missed this and were under the impression of betting the phillies and colorado series tomorrow? Where should we spread this too, if anywhere ....

You're still betting, you chase losses until you win. If PHI and COL get swept, each count as a series loss. Take each play as it comes. READ post #262 and the posted link. It explains it all. There's nothing to add that hasn't already been posted. If people are coming into this late, they really need to start at post 1 and read the thread, including links, it's all explained in detail.

[SlickRick1382]

You're still betting, you chase losses until you win. If PHI and COL get swept, each count as a series loss. Take each play as it comes. READ post #262 and the posted link. It explains it all. There's nothing to add that hasn't already been posted. If people are coming into this late, they really need to start at post 1 and read the thread, including links, it's all explained in detail.

I understand how it works. The only reason I was asking was because it seems as if the losses from Game 1 of the Colorado and Phillies game was pushed onto the Dodgers. I just wanted to confirm that those of us who still missed it were still chasing is all. Obviously our results will now be different than those who made the Dodgers play.

Thanks for your time

[on3]

System record 6-0-0; 2-0-0
Units +4.25
1 unit = $20

4/11

#5 -- miami @ PHI -145 (B)
#6 -- san fran @ COL +115 (B) -- F

Game 1 win = 6-2
Game 2 win = 0-0
Game 3 win = 0-0

Labby Line (regular)

x-x-10-x
10-10-25-26.30 (adjusted to even out line)
10-10-10-10

Labby Line (filter)

x-10-10-32.60

PHI to win 36.30
COL bet 35

COL bet 42.60

3 plays tomorrow

[on3]

i CAN probably answer this one for you. He will not be dividing the loss by 2. The point of the labby is to add 1 # to the line when you lose and cross off two #s when you win. He will only be adding the loss or WIN NOW! ... as 1 # to line 1.

Hey JMD. I appreciate the help buddy, but understand that I am running a 3 line labby and I am dividing losses between lines on the non-filtered plays. Your explanation is correct for the filtered line (single, 2-strike).

Just trying not to confuse everyone, since there are a lot of questions.

[swordsandtequila]

I understand how it works. The only reason I was asking was because it seems as if the losses from Game 1 of the Colorado and Phillies game was pushed onto the Dodgers. I just wanted to confirm that those of us who still missed it were still chasing is all. Obviously our results will now be different than those who made the Dodgers play.

Thanks for your time

Don't think of it as pushing the losses onto the Dodgers. As I said, focus on the labby lines. The series doesn't matter. Say the Col and Phi games were our first plays:

System/Series Record 0-0

Game 1 (or A) 10-10-10-10
Game 2 (or B) 10-10-10-10
Game 3 (or C) 10-10-10-10

Phi and Col start game 1 same day, so bet to win 20u (first and last number game 1). Amount of wager for each depends on the odds. Let's say Phi -150 and Col -170. So Phi bet is 30u to win 20u, Col bet is 34u to win 20u.

Both lose, so add losses to labby lines. This can be done a variety of ways and is explained in the link I posted above. To keep bet size manageable, most split the losses, adding half to whatever line you just played (in this case line 1) and half to line 2. If this was game 2, losses would be split between line 2 and 3; game 3 split between 3 and back to game 1. You can total losses for both games and split between lines or handle each loss on its own. Totaling losses will make for larger bets but clear the lines quicker; spreading losses takes longer but bets are smaller. Or average the line like J.M.D. Anyway, here's our lines after adjustment:

Game 1 10-10-10-10-15-17 (I prefer to add losses individually; small losses go first)
Game 2 10-10-10-10-15-17 (15 half of Phi bet, 17 half of Col bet)
Game 3 10-10-10-10

Next Phi and Col bets, both game 2's, will be to win 27 units (first and last #'s game 2 summed). If they both win, strike 2 #'s from front and 2 #'s from back. Game 2 line is now x-x-10-10-x-x. Both series complete, system record 2-0.

Dodgers series starts next day. Our lines now look like this:

System/Series Record 2-0

Game 1 10-10-10-10-15-17
Game 2 10-10
Game 3 10-10-10-10

(Remember, Phi/Col wins knocked out most of line 2)

As this is the 1st game of the Dodgers series, our bet will be to win 27u (first and last #'s summed game 1). If Dodgers win, strike 2 numbers, if they lose, split losses as above and add to appropriate lines. Once we clear a line we start with a new line of 10-10-10-10, or higher if feeling froggy!

So a long winded answer to your question, the Phi/Col losses do affect the Dodgers game regarding wager size, in that it's the next game up (game 1 of series) after a loss. Just keep your labby lines up to date and make each play to the appropriate line. Series or game doesn't matter as long as you use the right line. It can seem like a lot of crossover, that's why I prefer to make all bets for the day at one time and adjust for wins/losses one time. Too much trouble to do on a game by game basis. Keeping a spreadsheet makes life easier.

Hope this clears it up a little. Wasn't trying to be condescending, just trying to emphasize the link (it helped me).

[SlickRick1382]

Great write up and appreciate the time invested in it. A few points for your struggles

[swordsandtequila]

No problem, I always appreciate when someone takes the time to help me, be it in a forum or life in general. Now let's make some BANK!

[Laissez Faire]

No problem, I always appreciate when someone takes the time to help me, be it in a forum or life in general. Now let's make some BANK!

agreed

[Laissez Faire]

thank you to everyone who has taken time to elaborate on this system.....made a killing this college bball season, so I'm looking to bet mlb for 1st time w/ portion of winnings...looking forward to tailing this thread all season long...GL to everyone

[onacloud]

You're still betting, you chase losses until you win. If PHI and COL get swept, each count as a series loss. Take each play as it comes. READ post #262 and the posted link. It explains it all. There's nothing to add that hasn't already been posted. If people are coming into this late, they really need to start at post 1 and read the thread, including links, it's all explained in detail.

It's simple math if you guys read this thread and still don't get it you honestly shouldn't be playing this system and most like not be gambling period

Take the time to read the thread and gain knowledge don't just expect a handout I'm sure this will continue all season however because it always does

[J.M. Disciple]

swordsandtequila

I think you explained the labby slightly wrong. When you said divide your loss from COl and Phi on to the two lines you added FOUR NUMBERS! When you are running a labby you are only suppose to add 1 # per loss. it should not be

10 - 10 - 10 - 10 - (15) - (17)


You can take the total loss and divide it by 2! but not 4! If you cross two #s when you win and add two #s when you lose you are defeating the purpose of the labby. When you are cross two and add one you only need a 34% win percentage to show a profit (2:1), but when you are 2:2 you need at least 50% win percentage to show a profit.

Although this system hits over 50% you are taking way too long to clear your lines by adding two #s for every loss. If you look at how On3 did his labby after the COL and PHi loss, He only add two #s to the line. One number to line one and a second number to line 2. He did not add two numbers to line one and two numbers to line two. As I have stated doing it that way defeats the purpose of using a traditional labby method.

I also want to note to every one else do not think of this system as series, but day to day bases of plays that are clearing our lines and making us money. Just because you lose money on one team, does not mean you have to make your money back on that same team. That is what a "chase system" is. Labby works similar but it recovers all our losses and makes us more money over the long run.

When you read the link of 194 - 8 last year, you must remember running a 3 line labby made all the money back from those 8 losses assuming 1 or two losses were not at the very end of the season. Do not think of this system as chasing a team until they win, but think of it as making individual plays on your labby line each day which makes you money.

JMD

[AwesomeGuy]

JM, tequila, anyone else who has helped but I've left out, thanks a lot for all the help. I will keep track of the plays for you guys.

[O]

You guys are all great helping each other out. Admittedly I had some questions even after reading the thread several times. Great job doing a deeper dive.

Quick question or confirmation.... you mentioned "we are NOT using martingale". Can I use that system? The series record would be the same correct? Or am I missing something and would be leaving myself vulnerable?