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  • reverend
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 06-01-09
    • 880

    #526
    I wanted to post up about a slight change in the money management system that I am debating right now. This weekend with the Brewers made me realize that every C bet we eventually come to is going to make us want to freeze in our tracks and really question the play. If todays game would have been at home, I would have made the bet regardless, but I would still be pretty uneasy with all that would be risked!

    So after looking at our results so far, it is clearly evident that most of our wins are coming by more that 1 run. With that in mind, I am seriously debating the option of playing every A bet on the -1 RL, and then evaluating the next 2 games as they come.

    Here is my reasoning: By betting game 1 on the -1 RL, we are greatly reducing the juice on the first game of the series, so if we have to play a B or C bet, we will be looking at having to risk less units to win the same amount. It is clear that the importance in a chase system is money management and making sure you stay in the game for the entire season, so with that said, today I did not pull the trigger on the Brewers because I would rather control my bankroll and know for a fact that I can stomach an 8 unit loss instead of having to risk another 9 units and have the potential of losing 17 units. The fact is there will be alot of C bets come up during the year. If we figure to have close to 200 plays on the year, you have to figure you will have a large a number of C bets arise, and I dont want to always be in this situation.
    So...If I can bet the A game on the -1 RL and have very similar results, but have much lower risk...that looks good to me.

    Now the drawback to this is clear: there will be games where our favored team wins by 1 run giving us a push, but also ensuring that they do not get swept in their series. So this somewhat goes against my original system. BUT...if you are okay with losing a few wins in the effort to keep you C bets more reasonable, I think that may be a worthwhile tradeoff.

    Thoughts?
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    • reverend
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 06-01-09
      • 880

      #527
      Monday April 19:


      FAV System:

      A Bet: Seattle (-1 RL) X Units to Win 1 Unit


      Series System:

      A Bet: Angels (ML) X Units to Win 1.5 Units

      A Bet: Seattle (ML) X Units to Win 1.5 Units


      Situational System:

      A Bet: Colorado (ML) X Units to Win 1.5 Units


      *I am waiting until tomorrow to place my bets because of potential line movement. I will re-post with the units risked then.

      *I was very close to playing the Giants as a 2 game chase from the Situational System. I like the first 2 match-ups in the Giants favor, but decided to hold off because there will be 4-5 plays that will begin on Tuesday.

      *As you can see, Seattle is in both systems. I will be playing these as separate picks. So, in total, tomorrow I will be trying to win 2.5 units on the Seattle game.
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      • mizzoujohn
        SBR High Roller
        • 03-16-10
        • 155

        #528
        Originally posted by reverend
        With that in mind, I am seriously debating the option of playing every A bet on the -1 RL, and then evaluating the next 2 games as they come.

        .if you are okay with losing a few wins in the effort to keep you C bets more reasonable, I think that may be a worthwhile tradeoff.

        Thoughts?
        I have been playing this way so far this season. I've missed 1 win out of 16 series. Small price to pay for less risk, in my opinion. I recommend it. Good luck in whichever you choose.
        John
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        • reverend
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 06-01-09
          • 880

          #529
          Thanks John...

          Its like you mentioned...you may miss out on a few winners, but it will help lower the risk on the B and C bets as they come
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          • Edge29
            SBR Rookie
            • 03-31-10
            • 19

            #530
            Hey Rev, I've been doing something kind of in between for the A bets. I've been playing the regular money line if the odds are better than -200, and doing a -1RL if the ML odds are -200 or worse. I think doing this ensures that my A bets are generally around -150 to -170, which feels reasonable to me.

            The hard part obviously is deciding what to do when you push the first game. Do you play a new A bet on the second game? ML or -1RL? Decide to call it a push and lay off the rest of the series? I'm not asking you to answer those right now, and you said you'll just take a look at each individual system, but I think it will be a difficult decision to make.

            You're seeing Seattle as the FAV pick? I'm seeing higher MLs for both Boston and LAA (-168/-167 vs -153 for Seattle on 5Dimes). It probably won't make too much difference, but I think I'll be on one of the others.
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            • Echofox
              SBR Rookie
              • 10-31-09
              • 35

              #531
              All over Seattle. Series & FAV
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              • BillAccpetor
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 02-07-09
                • 790

                #532
                Originally posted by reverend
                I am seriously debating the option of playing every A bet on the -1 RL, and then evaluating the next 2 games as they come. Here is my reasoning: By betting game 1 on the -1 RL, we are greatly reducing the juice on the first game of the series, so if we have to play a B or C bet, we will be looking at having to risk less units to win the same amount. It is clear that the importance in a chase system is money management and making sure you stay in the game for the entire season, so with that said, today I did not pull the trigger on the Brewers because I would rather control my bankroll and know for a fact that I can stomach an 8 unit loss instead of having to risk another 9 units and have the potential of losing 17 units.
                I think Vegas offers the best price with -1 RL for us. For example I have played the Yankees with -1 RL instead of paying the high juice on ML...
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                • balls2wall
                  SBR MVP
                  • 12-20-09
                  • 2642

                  #533
                  Originally posted by mizzoujohn
                  I have been playing this way so far this season. I've missed 1 win out of 16 series. Small price to pay for less risk, in my opinion. I recommend it. Good luck in whichever you choose.
                  John


                  That is also how I have been playing the game ones that are high juice. So far I have only had to end one series after a game 1 push.
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                  • balls2wall
                    SBR MVP
                    • 12-20-09
                    • 2642

                    #534
                    Originally posted by reverend
                    I wanted to post up about a slight change in the money management system that I am debating right now. This weekend with the Brewers made me realize that every C bet we eventually come to is going to make us want to freeze in our tracks and really question the play. If todays game would have been at home, I would have made the bet regardless, but I would still be pretty uneasy with all that would be risked!

                    So after looking at our results so far, it is clearly evident that most of our wins are coming by more that 1 run. With that in mind, I am seriously debating the option of playing every A bet on the -1 RL, and then evaluating the next 2 games as they come.

                    Here is my reasoning: By betting game 1 on the -1 RL, we are greatly reducing the juice on the first game of the series, so if we have to play a B or C bet, we will be looking at having to risk less units to win the same amount. It is clear that the importance in a chase system is money management and making sure you stay in the game for the entire season, so with that said, today I did not pull the trigger on the Brewers because I would rather control my bankroll and know for a fact that I can stomach an 8 unit loss instead of having to risk another 9 units and have the potential of losing 17 units. The fact is there will be alot of C bets come up during the year. If we figure to have close to 200 plays on the year, you have to figure you will have a large a number of C bets arise, and I dont want to always be in this situation.
                    So...If I can bet the A game on the -1 RL and have very similar results, but have much lower risk...that looks good to me.

                    Now the drawback to this is clear: there will be games where our favored team wins by 1 run giving us a push, but also ensuring that they do not get swept in their series. So this somewhat goes against my original system. BUT...if you are okay with losing a few wins in the effort to keep you C bets more reasonable, I think that may be a worthwhile tradeoff.

                    Thoughts?


                    I have been basically playing anything above -160 at -1rl. I don't think I will be changing that and playing all of them. However, I may lower that threshold to -140 or something.


                    So are you thinking about doing it for low juice too -105ish???? It seems like -105 to -120ish would be low enough to where you wouldn't be gaining that much in the terms of risk reduction vs the potential for a push and not cashing the series.
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                    • jolmscheid
                      Restricted User
                      • 02-20-10
                      • 3256

                      #535
                      Rev...I think John brings up a good point...I think doing the -1RL may be the way to go...
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                      • Petman
                        SBR Rookie
                        • 03-19-10
                        • 42

                        #536
                        I think you should consider the delta in lines between -1 and the ML. There are opportunistic plays where this makes sense however there are also times where the diff between the ML and 1.5RL isn't as significant as it should be and therefore you aren't gaining that much. So perhaps take the -1 if it brings the juice down by X as a second filter to the -1.
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                        • reverend
                          SBR Wise Guy
                          • 06-01-09
                          • 880

                          #537
                          Originally posted by Edge29
                          Hey Rev, I've been doing something kind of in between for the A bets. I've been playing the regular money line if the odds are better than -200, and doing a -1RL if the ML odds are -200 or worse. I think doing this ensures that my A bets are generally around -150 to -170, which feels reasonable to me.

                          The hard part obviously is deciding what to do when you push the first game. Do you play a new A bet on the second game? ML or -1RL? Decide to call it a push and lay off the rest of the series? I'm not asking you to answer those right now, and you said you'll just take a look at each individual system, but I think it will be a difficult decision to make.

                          You're seeing Seattle as the FAV pick? I'm seeing higher MLs for both Boston and LAA (-168/-167 vs -153 for Seattle on 5Dimes). It probably won't make too much difference, but I think I'll be on one of the others.

                          If i start playing these A bets on the -1 RL and game 1 pushes, I will evaluate the next 2 games and decide. Same goes for pushing on a B bet.

                          There will be days when various books have higher ML than others. I am using the opening lines from Pinnacle.
                          Last edited by reverend; 04-19-10, 10:28 AM.
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                          • jolmscheid
                            Restricted User
                            • 02-20-10
                            • 3256

                            #538
                            so rev...are the plays official?
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                            • reverend
                              SBR Wise Guy
                              • 06-01-09
                              • 880

                              #539
                              Originally posted by jolmscheid
                              so rev...are the plays official?

                              Yes, the plays posted in post 528 are official.
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                              • dickey
                                SBR Rookie
                                • 04-10-10
                                • 5

                                #540
                                my book doesnt offer -1 how do u get that ?
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                                • dickey
                                  SBR Rookie
                                  • 04-10-10
                                  • 5

                                  #541
                                  how do you get a -1 my book doesnt offer that
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                                  • ahhlenn
                                    Restricted User
                                    • 04-13-10
                                    • 444

                                    #542
                                    wow rev, your record is unreal! keep up the good work!
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                                    • balls2wall
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 12-20-09
                                      • 2642

                                      #543
                                      Originally posted by dickey
                                      how do you get a -1 my book doesnt offer that


                                      It is magic man


                                      it has only been explained about a million times in this thread alone


                                      it shouldn't be hard to find
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                                      • reverend
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 06-01-09
                                        • 880

                                        #544
                                        Originally posted by dickey
                                        my book doesnt offer -1 how do u get that ?
                                        Go back a few pages in this thread and I posted about how to do it and I also posted the excel calculator. The post is bolded, so it should be pretty easy to find.
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                                        • dickey
                                          SBR Rookie
                                          • 04-10-10
                                          • 5

                                          #545
                                          foudn it post 336 for others.. but it says i dont have access to the file
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                                          • reverend
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 06-01-09
                                            • 880

                                            #546
                                            Lets start this week off right tonight!
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                                            • doublej95
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 01-26-10
                                              • 14094

                                              #547
                                              Thanks Reverend for the system plays
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                                              • dolphan34
                                                SBR Sharp
                                                • 04-09-10
                                                • 423

                                                #548
                                                Do you think the matchups are favorable for the Angels in the next few games Rev? I'm a little hesitant to take them, but best of luck.
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                                                • reverend
                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                  • 06-01-09
                                                  • 880

                                                  #549
                                                  Originally posted by dolphan34
                                                  Do you think the matchups are favorable for the Angels in the next few games Rev? I'm a little hesitant to take them, but best of luck.
                                                  I do. I think they end the series tonight with Pin on the mound. He threw great against the Yanks last week and the Orioles are not hitting at all.
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                                                  • doubledime
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 04-22-09
                                                    • 9751

                                                    #550
                                                    BOL Rev Thanks
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                                                    • whutchuwant
                                                      SBR Hustler
                                                      • 11-15-09
                                                      • 80

                                                      #551
                                                      thanks rev-
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                                                      • reverend
                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                        • 06-01-09
                                                        • 880

                                                        #552
                                                        no problem guys...

                                                        lets just keep the wins coming
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                                                        • timmyboy34243
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 04-06-10
                                                          • 1379

                                                          #553
                                                          Originally posted by reverend
                                                          Monday April 19:


                                                          FAV System:

                                                          A Bet: Seattle (-1 RL) X Units to Win 1 Unit


                                                          Series System:

                                                          A Bet: Angels (ML) X Units to Win 1.5 Units

                                                          A Bet: Seattle (ML) X Units to Win 1.5 Unit


                                                          Situational System:

                                                          A Bet: Colorado (ML) X Units to Win 1.5 Units


                                                          *I am waiting until tomorrow to place my bets because of potential line movement. I will re-post with the units risked then.

                                                          *I was very close to playing the Giants as a 2 game chase from the Situational System. I like the first 2 match-ups in the Giants favor, but decided to hold off because there will be 4-5 plays that will begin on Tuesday.

                                                          *As you can see, Seattle is in both systems. I will be playing these as separate picks. So, in total, tomorrow I will be trying to win 2.5 units on the Seattle game.

                                                          seattle for 2 units or just pointing out that the play meets 2 different systems criteria?
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                                                          • mizzoujohn
                                                            SBR High Roller
                                                            • 03-16-10
                                                            • 155

                                                            #554
                                                            Whew- glad I was too scared to take the Sox C bet- they are in absolute shambles!! No sox bets until they right the ship.
                                                            John
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                                                            • mizzoujohn
                                                              SBR High Roller
                                                              • 03-16-10
                                                              • 155

                                                              #555
                                                              A filter should be - if a team is in absolute shambles, no matter the series, lay off them!!
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                                                              • reverend
                                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                                • 06-01-09
                                                                • 880

                                                                #556
                                                                I have some free time today, so I am going to work through tomorrow's new series in the thread.


                                                                After my first round of filters, these plays are still in the mix:


                                                                Series System:

                                                                Cleveland @ Minnesota


                                                                Situational Series System:

                                                                Brewers @ Pirates
                                                                Dodgers @ Reds
                                                                Marlins @ Astros
                                                                Rays @ White Sox
                                                                Yanks @ A's


                                                                I will go ahead and say that Minnesota will be a Series System play for tomorrow. I am going to finish running the 5 potential Situational System picks through a few more filters.

                                                                Other thoughts:

                                                                Usually I would be playing the series with Texas @ Boston, but after todays game, I have so many questions about this Red Sox team. And I agree...I dont see Boston losing 8 straight (after today's loss they are sitting at 5 straight), but I will tell you I think it is possible. Texas does have to face Beckett, but if they get by him in the 2nd game, they are facing Wakefield and Buchholz (Boston's 4th and 5th starters). So, I am staying away from this series.

                                                                Also, before the season, I would have told you I will be playing against KC on every road trip, but as of today, they are leading the MLB with a .309 batting average! So with that said, and the fact I think Toronto is going to be a very bad team by the end of the season, I am laying off of this series as well. KC has Bannister and Greinke throwing in this series, so I think they could very easily win 2 of 3 at Toronto starting today.

                                                                As I mentioned in a earlier post, I really like the Giants in their first 2 games @ San Diego starting today, but the line movement feels kinda funny to me regarding today's game with Cain/Richard, so I am going to lay off.
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                                                                • reverend
                                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                                  • 06-01-09
                                                                  • 880

                                                                  #557
                                                                  Originally posted by timmyboy34243
                                                                  seattle for 2 units or just pointing out that the play meets 2 different systems criteria?
                                                                  I am playing Seattle as 2 separate plays. So the FAV play is on the -1 RL trying to win 1 unit. The Series System play is on the ML trying to win 1.5 Units.

                                                                  So hopefully after tonight's game, we will have won 2.5 units in the Seattle game in total.
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                                                                  • reverend
                                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                                    • 06-01-09
                                                                    • 880

                                                                    #558
                                                                    Originally posted by mizzoujohn
                                                                    Whew- glad I was too scared to take the Sox C bet- they are in absolute shambles!! No sox bets until they right the ship.
                                                                    John
                                                                    John, I am glad you stayed away as well. The Sox are not hitting at all. They have nobody in their lineup right now that should be feared! They are going in the back pocket for a little bit until I can see more out of them.
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                                                                    • reverend
                                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                                      • 06-01-09
                                                                      • 880

                                                                      #559
                                                                      Monday April 19:


                                                                      FAV System:

                                                                      A Bet: Seattle (-1 RL) 1.05 Units to Win 1 Unit


                                                                      Series System:

                                                                      A Bet: Angels (ML) 2.63 Units to Win 1.5 Units

                                                                      A Bet: Seattle (ML) 2.25 Units to Win 1.5 Units


                                                                      Situational System:

                                                                      A Bet: Colorado (ML) 2.18 Units to Win 1.5 Units


                                                                      *Same picks as above, but I included the Units Risked
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                                                                      • mizzoujohn
                                                                        SBR High Roller
                                                                        • 03-16-10
                                                                        • 155

                                                                        #560
                                                                        Rev- Are you taking Rays or Sox in that series?
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