Cappin Terp - MLB Thread

BiffTFinancial · 04-10-10, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by 2daBank

that what i wanted to say but the reverse calculator kept saying -218 for some reason

reverse calculator? you cheater. man, that guy TheBet was right about you....

2daBank · 04-10-10, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by BiffTFinancial

reverse calculator? you cheater. man, that guy TheBet was right about you....

whatever it takes to win my friend, unfortunately in this case the machine made me go against my original thought and fukked me over

BiffTFinancial · 04-10-10, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by 2daBank

whatever it takes to win my friend, unfortunately in this case the machine made me go against my original thought and fukked me over

i hear you - no pictures on a scorecard. i'm still trying to figure out reverses, but fortunately, i'm able to keep up with most everything else Cappin Terp is doing.

Beastxxx · 04-10-10, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by CappinTerp

Jiggy Fly, I just credit your acc. 15 pts. congrats.! 2da thanks for the try. on the Balt loss there is no vig since its - 1.5 + 135. Any questions please ask because once the season starts cooking , we are going to do alot of reverses and PUT A HURT ON THE MAN.!!

Simple terms would be great as I have no ****ing clue on the reverse stragetgy

fly fisher · 04-10-10, 09:15 AM

[quote=CappinTerp;4009839]bozeman,no!!! On this reverse I did not bet TOR.! TEAM A = BALT. -1.5 + 135
TEAM B = OVER 9 -110

CT, I am still confused about the reverse thing, I tried to figure it out with your explanation but still confused. I am a slow learner

Anyways, good luck and I will keep reading until I figure it out, then jump in with you guys. Hope you have a great day.

2daBank · 04-10-10, 09:18 AM

maybe it would make more sense to you guys like this.....

A reverse bet (also known as an action reverse) is a set of if-bets going both forward and in reverse order. An "If-bet" is a two-part bet where the second part of the bet only has action if the first part wins (or in some cases, depending upon the terms at the specific book, if it wins or pushes, also known as "action"). A reverse bet represents every possible two-team combination of if-bets that can be formed from all the underlying teams in the reverse bet.
For example:

a two-team reverse bet on teams A and B would imply two if-bets: if A then B and if B then A.
a three-team reverse bet on teams A, B, and C would imply six if-bets: if A then B; if B then A; if A then C; if C then A; if B then C; and if C then B

Beastxxx · 04-10-10, 09:24 AM

I have never seen reverse bets on the books?
Ok here is an example.
I want to play rays and jays ml in a parlay.
So if they both lose I bet against them the next day?

fly fisher · 04-10-10, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by 2daBank

maybe it would make more sense to you guys like this.....

A reverse bet (also known as an action reverse) is a set of if-bets going both forward and in reverse order. An "If-bet" is a two-part bet where the second part of the bet only has action if the first part wins (or in some cases, depending upon the terms at the specific book, if it wins or pushes, also known as "action"). A reverse bet represents every possible two-team combination of if-bets that can be formed from all the underlying teams in the reverse bet.
For example:

a two-team reverse bet on teams A and B would imply two if-bets: if A then B and if B then A.
a three-team reverse bet on teams A, B, and C would imply six if-bets: if A then B; if B then A; if A then C; if C then A; if B then C; and if C then B

Dude, this sounds like I am back in my college logic class. If Sally dates Bill, but Bill went out with Karen, but Karen went out with Fred, then Sally and Karen are Lesbians, so does that mean Bill and Fred are gay, or just happy?

Naw really, that helps a lot, but I will still have to just follow for a while to get a good feel for all of this.

Jiggy Fly · 04-10-10, 10:31 AM

2daBank explained it good. I'll try to give you guys an example....

Let's say you want to bet a $100 reverse on 2 teams. Odds will be +100 for both teams to keep it simple. Teams will be Phillies and Yankees.

Outcome #1:

The Phillies win their game. You win twice the amount so now $200 is placed on the next bet. $200 is now placed on the Yankees and they win. You win twice the amount on that bet and you have won a total of $400.

Outcome #2:

The Phillies lose their game. $100 is now placed on the Yankees and they lose. You have lost a total of $200.

Outcome #3:

The Phillies lose their game. $100 is now placed on the Yankees and they win. You only win $100 because the first bet was lost. Now action is placed back on the Phillies bet and and you lose twice that amount. -$200. Add the $100 you won on the Yankees and you have lost a total of $100. This is the outcome of CT's bet.

Now let's say we are betting spreads and totals. A push can come into effect.

Let's say the Lakers -6 @ -110 odds and Over 185 on Detroit/Utah @-110 odds. $100 reverse:

Outcome #4:

The Lakers don't cover. You have lost $110. The Det/Utah game pushes. Action cancels on the Over bet and now your total loss is -$220 because u lose twice on the Lakers game.

Outcome #5:

The Lakers cover. $200 is placed on the Over Det/Utah. The Over pushes and now action goes back to the Lakers bet and you win $200.

A total of 5 scenarios can happen on a 2 team reverse. I never messed around with more than 2. Hopefully this explains it a little better. It can be confusing at first but is easy to understand once you get the hang of it.

CappinTerp · 04-10-10, 10:35 AM

I just got back guys, 2da thank you so much

for helping out with the reverses,THE guys should learn it , it is important to increase winnings.Back in 30 min.

CappinTerp · 04-10-10, 10:36 AM

Also Jiggy Fly thanks for your input as well.!!!

Jiggy Fly · 04-10-10, 10:41 AM

Glad I could help.

Jiggy Fly · 04-10-10, 10:46 AM

Alot of people get confused with the term "If Bets" and they think they have to wait for the outcome of a game to bet the next one. It's not like that at all. It's all about scenarios and the outcomes. Both bets can be going on at the same time. I think this is what confuses alot of people.

CappinTerp · 04-10-10, 10:55 AM

Hold on guys Jiggy fly, I think you explained it wrong.! I AM real busy cappin the early games, we will talk latter.!!

314cashes · 04-10-10, 11:22 AM

My head hurts from all that shit. Anyway I'm liking the cubs and the over in the cards game today. What you guys think?

bozeman · 04-10-10, 11:29 AM

Detroit -1,5 and over, and Chicago White Sox

Flopa3 · 04-10-10, 11:36 AM

Cap nice opening post, I don't like bickering. I look forward to reading this thread the rest of the year.

Gl and lets make some money.

CappinTerp · 04-10-10, 11:51 AM

MINN/W.SOX - OVER - 9.5 -110 -Baker vs. Garica Baker is 4-3 with a ERA of 6.32 vs SOX in his 10 starts vs. them the over is 8-2. Garica is 9-5 with a ERA OF 3.75 IN HIS last 10 starts vs TWINS the over is 7-2-1. Currently the wind is blowing out @15 mph. gusting to 24 mph. GL

bozeman · 04-10-10, 11:58 AM

do you have more early plays or that's it?

CappinTerp · 04-10-10, 12:07 PM

Thats all for now, maybe a 3:00 play

Beastxxx · 04-10-10, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by Jiggy Fly

2daBank explained it good. I'll try to give you guys an example....

Let's say you want to bet a $100 reverse on 2 teams. Odds will be +100 for both teams to keep it simple. Teams will be Phillies and Yankees.

Outcome #1:

The Phillies win their game. You win twice the amount so now $200 is placed on the next bet. $200 is now placed on the Yankees and they win. You win twice the amount on that bet and you have won a total of $400.

Outcome #2:

The Phillies lose their game. $100 is now placed on the Yankees and they lose. You have lost a total of $200.

Outcome #3:

The Phillies lose their game. $100 is now placed on the Yankees and they win. You only win $100 because the first bet was lost. Now action is placed back on the Phillies bet and and you lose twice that amount. -$200. Add the $100 you won on the Yankees and you have lost a total of $100. This is the outcome of CT's bet.

Now let's say we are betting spreads and totals. A push can come into effect.

Let's say the Lakers -6 @ -110 odds and Over 185 on Detroit/Utah @-110 odds. $100 reverse:

Outcome #4:

The Lakers don't cover. You have lost $110. The Det/Utah game pushes. Action cancels on the Over bet and now your total loss is -$220 because u lose twice on the Lakers game.

Outcome #5:

The Lakers cover. $200 is placed on the Over Det/Utah. The Over pushes and now action goes back to the Lakers bet and you win $200.

A total of 5 scenarios can happen on a 2 team reverse. I never messed around with more than 2. Hopefully this explains it a little better. It can be confusing at first but is easy to understand once you get the hang of it.

Thanks this makes more sense,
For clarification they are single bets and not parlays?
I need the outcome of game A before I play game B yes?

Thanks

bozeman · 04-10-10, 12:18 PM

thank you tailed over

Jiggy Fly · 04-10-10, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by Beastxxx

Thanks this makes more sense, For clarification they are single bets and not parlays? I need the outcome of game A before I play game B yes?

Thanks

No, You make both plays at the same time. They are "If Bets". They are single bets but they get played out depending on the outcomes.

Beastxxx · 04-10-10, 12:36 PM

Thanks.
I play yanks and phils 100 each.
phils win yanks loose.
I put 200 on the yanks NEXT game and so on?
Thanks

2daBank · 04-10-10, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by Beastxxx

Thanks.
I play yanks and phils 100 each.
phils win yanks loose.
I put 200 on the yanks NEXT game and so on?
Thanks

CappinTerp · 04-10-10, 12:46 PM

I have to get these guys straight on reverses,2da iam not sure how.?

Jiggy Fly · 04-10-10, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by Beastxxx

Thanks. I play yanks and phils 100 each. phils win yanks loose. I put 200 on the yanks NEXT game and so on? Thanks

NO!!!!!!!! You make one bet at the book. Yanks and Phils $100 reverse!!!! It takes care of itself after that. The most you lose is $200, the most you win is $400.

2daBank · 04-10-10, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by CappinTerp

I have to get these guys straight on reverses,2da iam not sure how.?

between all the info on this page and the way jiggy made it very damn easy (actually playing out every scenario)... if they still dont get it im not sure wtf to say about it

.....personally im not a fan of them but i know you have done rather well with them so im not here to knock it

THE PROFIT · 04-10-10, 12:53 PM

just pick winners terp & fuggedaboudit!

I just noticed SBRodds can predict the future. Had a guy on 1st the bottom of the 3rd & no one was, but then there was a base hit. Could prove helpful in live betting LoL!!!

CappinTerp · 04-10-10, 12:54 PM

Hey guys I AM HONEST and want no misconceptions. MY BAD.!!! We may still win this over its only in the 3rd, but in my cappin, I made a mistke , I WAS LOOKING @ the ballpark layouts mistakenly looking @ CHI-WRIGLEY WHERE HOME-CENTER IS (SW-NE), rather than CHI-US-CELLULAR.................

Jiggy Fly · 04-10-10, 12:55 PM

You better pay us points if we lose!!!!!

J/K

maniac0201 · 04-10-10, 12:55 PM

I almost questioned you about the wind when I saw it, as I looked at it earlier but I figured you were right.

2daBank · 04-10-10, 12:58 PM

i didnt bet is so im not mad at ya....would be nice if the Twinkies start hitting Garcia though (help both our causes

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THE PROFIT · 04-10-10, 01:04 PM

I put my life savings on it cap, so I'll be out $127.56 if it goes down!!!

bozeman · 04-10-10, 01:07 PM

that happens cappin terp