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  • Willie Bee
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 02-14-06
    • 15726

    #1
    The HOF is a joke
    I have championed Ron Santo for the Hall of Fame forever and a day now. It's an utter travesty this guy isn't enshrined alongside the game's very best. Pull up his numbers and Brooks Robinson's numbers to check for yourself.

    Santo played roughly 600 fewer games than Robinson and topped Brooks in:
    • Homers, 342 - 268
    • AVG, .277 - .267
    • OB%, .362 - .322
    • SLG, .464 - .401


    And please, before you even get into the Gold Gloves, Robinson's ranking on defense was largely due to a few plays in one World Series when it comes to the general public's knowledge. Look at the joke-votes in this year's Gold Gloves and tell me that is something you can really count on as being definitive in ranking players.

    They also need to make the voting public, let us see which living Hall of Famers voted for him and see those that didn't. About five years ago, Reggie Jackson didn't even bother to mail his ballot in and justified it while sitting atop his pious horse that it wasn't worth his time.


    LAS VEGAS -- Ron Santo, who fell nine votes short of election by the Veterans Committee to the Baseball Hall of Fame, said the process needs to change after the committee failed to elect a new member for the fourth straight time.

    The Veterans Committee, a 64-member panel made up exclusively of all living Hall of Fame players, votes every other year on players from 1943 and after. Santo, who spent 14 of his 15 seasons with the Chicago Cubs and is a longtime broadcaster for the team, led the voting with 39 votes, or 61 percent. But needed to be on 75 percent of the ballots to be voted into the hall.

    ''It's a travesty,'' Santo said, according to the Chicago Sun-Times. ''When I saw nobody got in again, I go, 'Whoa, this is wrong.' They can't keep going the way they're going. They've got to put a [different] committee out there.''

    "It'll be eight years now that they've voted and not let anybody in. And personally, I feel like there's a lot of guys that should've been in, not just me," Santo said, according to the Chicago Tribune.

    However, Hall of Fame chairwoman Jane Forbes Clark noted that the goal of the two-stage veterans' process is not to elect someone every time they vote, according to the Sun-Times.

    ''The process was not redesigned with the goal of necessarily electing someone, but to give everyone on the ballot a very fair chance of earning election through a ballot of their peers,'' Clark said, according to the report.

    Santo was an All-Star nine times. He finished his career with 342 home runs, 1,331 RBIs, a .277 lifetime batting average and five Gold Gloves.

    While the post-1943 committee did not elect anyone to the hall, a smaller panel of just 12 members voting on players from 1942 and before did add a member to Cooperstown: New York Yankees and Cleveland Indians second baseman Joe Gordon.
  • Mudcat
    Restricted User
    • 07-21-05
    • 9287

    #2
    You make a reasonable case - in a way. It can be taken two ways to my way of thinking. It could either be a good case for Santo being in the Hall or for Robinson being out.

    I agree about Gold Glove voting being a joke. I don't have enough first-hand memory of Robinson's play to really judge in this case, but certainly in general, voters cling to those big shiny moments forever.

    (Also, not that this has as much to do with Brooks, but they seem to factor hitting into Gold Gloves a lot ?!?!?!)

    I guess Derek Jeter is the poster child for the absurdity of Gold Glove voting.

    Anyway, gotta be honest, a .277 lifetime average with 342 homers does not blow me away. (Robinson's stats blow me away even less). Maybe some of Santo's other stats would sway me.

    But I doubt it. I am of the very-very-very-high-standards camp when it comes to the HOF. I think I would be more in favor of dumping Brooks than adding Santo.

    I certainly have more approval for the baseball hall than the NHL which really lets some iffy guys in (and dilutes the whole concept IMO).
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    • Willie Bee
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 02-14-06
      • 15726

      #3
      I'm not advocating Brooks Robinson to be removed from the Hall of Fame at all. He's one of the game's very best third basemen and one helluva' great guy to boot. Robinson and Santo were contemporaries and were head and shoulders above the rest of the third basemen in their era, an era in which pitching dominated the game. I never compare players across eras, otherwise nobody would have gotten into the Hall of Fame after the likes of Ruth, Cobb and Walter Johnson. Without really firm, black & white criteria for voting someone in, it does leave the whole process open for each individual's interpretation of what's great and what's so-so. For me, I simply look at who I believe to be among the top 10% at their position during the era they played. Santo and Robinson both definitely fit into that group.
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      • bigboydan
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 08-10-05
        • 55420

        #4
        If Ron Santo was going to make the HOF it would have been this year. This years class of inductees are pretty bad and most likely Jim Rice will make it because of it.
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