GOD

[gauchojake]

Correct.

So if it's on the news, it's not true? How do news channels get away with broadcasting lies?

[BigDofBA]

Correct.

So if it's on the news, it's not true? How do news channels get away with broadcasting lies?

What about the Central News Agency of North Korea? What about the FARS News Agency in Iran? What about the stuff that comes from the Kremlin?

Do you think all that news is true since it's broadcasted?

Have you ever actually watched Fox News or MSNBC? Two news stations can have completely different views on things. You have a very naive stance on this.

This is my problem with religion. It's so close minded. We live in America. Christianity is the predominant religion. Obviously we are God's chosen people and the rest of the world and every other religion is wrong...right?

All of the Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Mormons, and Jews are misguided and going to hell but WE, no WE in America are correct and have personal relationships with the creator of the universe. Only us and people that believe like us right?

The Bible is a perfect book of ethical standards even though it advocates slavery, beating and murdering children, and stoning women that have sex before marriage...correct?

That's ok though because if you're a Christian you can just cherry pick what you want to out of the Bible and ignore the dark and evil scriptures.

The Muslims in the Middle East that blow themselves up and run over children with cars haven't evolved that far yet and ironically they think what they're doing will bring them to God.....all that bloodshed over something that people can't even agree exists.

Thankfully this country is at least marginally educated.

When I see an ocean parted or a man walking on water I might change my mind. God is all powerful so I don't know why he doesn't make it obvious he exists....he could come down from Heaven right now and save the world but he chooses not to. He sounds like a jerk.

I wasn't alive when he sent Jesus so I guess that's my fault....

[BigDofBA]

I'm sure Bobby is a good person but if he was born in Iran he would be a Muslim because that's the religion the news would promote and the news has to be true by his logic.

That just proves what I've already said. The majority of the time, Religion is a cultural thing that you're born into.

Children were born in the Middle East today and have no choice but to be Muslim. They couldn't control it and they're going to hell. Sucks to be them I guess.

[IlluminatedOne]

I'm sure Bobby is a good person but if he was born in Iran he would be a Muslim because that's the religion the news would promote and the news has to be true by his logic.

That just proves what I've already said. The majority of the time, Religion is a cultural thing that you're born into.

Children were born in the Middle East today and have no choice but to be Muslim. They couldn't control it and they're going to hell. Sucks to be them I guess.

Do not be so naive to believe there is NO choice, there is ALWAYS a choice. Most beings on this planet, at this moment in time are unconscious to this.

[IlluminatedOne]

BigdofBA, im not advocate of religion but I also believe there is a source. (God, Allah, ect.)
For instance what if (we will say God) did appear to you in lets say the form of a homeless man begging for some extra change. Would you "shoe" him away?
Perhaps the better question you could ask yourself is what could I do to increase my levels of awareness so I may better "see" these miracles as they unfold in front of you.

[Jayvegas420]

I'm sure Bobby is a good person but if he was born in Iran he would be a Muslim because that's the religion the news would promote and the news has to be true by his logic.

That just proves what I've already said. The majority of the time, Religion is a cultural thing that you're born into.

Children were born in the Middle East today and have no choice but to be Muslim. They couldn't control it and they're going to hell. Sucks to be them I guess.

Holy Shit, maybe there is a God!

[BigDofBA]

BigdofBA, im not advocate of religion but I also believe there is a source. (God, Allah, ect.)
For instance what if (we will say God) did appear to you in lets say the form of a homeless man begging for some extra change. Would you "shoe" him away?
Perhaps the better question you could ask yourself is what could I do to increase my levels of awareness so I may better "see" these miracles as they unfold in front of you.

I would not show God away if I saw him in front of me.

I don't think people understand Atheism. There is no concrete evidence to support any God, Therefore I do not believe.

If I saw someone walk in water, live in a wale, or part an ocean I would believe it. With that said, no one on this planet has seen of those things happen. It's only talked about in a fictional book that also advocates slavery and stoning women that aren't virgins.

The Bible was written when man thought the earth was the center of the universe. Hell, Man didn't even know the world was round at the time. The people that wrote the Bible weren't very advanced and didn't know how things worked. They were ignorant.

There are countless things that the Bible explained that have been disproven. We now know why it rains and snows. We now why the sun comes up and goes down. We know why earthquakes and tornadoes happen. None of it is God. It can all be explained.

Name one time that we can verify that something happened because of God?

We haven't discovered all the answers to the universe but the more intelligent we become, the less religious we are. That's why religious people have to push their views down people's throats. Religion is slowly becoming irrelevant.

Again, if you're seriously ill, you goto the hospital. You don't just stay home and pray hoping you'll get better.

Religious people cherry pick the Bible. Otherwise Christians would be stoning women that weren't virgins and would own slaves. We would be killing gay people. We don't do this though because our cultural is somewhat advanced unlike Muslim nations in the Middle East.

These verses are in the Bible. I can list them if you want?

Also, how do people explain their reasoning for belonging to a religion? How is the Christian God and better than any other God? It's not! They're all bullshit.

[IlluminatedOne]

I would not show God away if I saw him in front of me.

I don't think people understand Atheism. There is no concrete evidence to support any God, Therefore I do not believe.

If I saw someone walk in water, live in a wale, or part an ocean I would believe it. With that said, no one on this planet has seen of those things happen. It's only talked about in a fictional book that also advocates slavery and stoning women that aren't virgins.

The Bible was written when man thought the earth was the center of the universe. Hell, Man didn't even know the world was round at the time. The people that wrote the Bible weren't very advanced and didn't know how things worked. They were ignorant.

There are countless things that the Bible explained that have been disproven. We now know why it rains and snows. We now why the sun comes up and goes down. We know why earthquakes and tornadoes happen. None of it is God. It can all be explained.

Name one time that we can verify that something happened because of God?

We haven't discovered all the answers to the universe but the more intelligent we become, the less religious we are. That's why religious people have to push their views down people's throats. Religion is slowly becoming irrelevant.

Again, if you're seriously ill, you goto the hospital. You don't just stay home and pray hoping you'll get better.

Religious people cherry pick the Bible. Otherwise Christians would be stoning women that weren't virgins and would own slaves. We would be killing gay people. We don't do this though because our cultural is somewhat advanced unlike Muslim nations in the Middle East.

These verses are in the Bible. I can list them if you want?

Also, how do people explain their reasoning for belonging to a religion? How is the Christian God and better than any other God? It's not! They're all bullshit.

As I posted before, I am not advocate of any religious organizations. I do not condem any of those who rely on and believe in religion. The bible in my opinion has a whole other agenda and story that the masses just have not awoken to.
Prayer takes some action, you do not just pray then "sit" on the side lines so to speak and wait. No kidding nothing is going to happen. You must become the change you desire. If you sick, sure you can lie around and wait for something to happen, or you can do something about it. The internet has open the door to abundant sources of holistic ways to eliminate the dis ease in any situation.
Could that not be interpretated as a miracle?? Could this not of been some divine intervention?

It has been said throughout the ages that source energy has always been in communication with us, most of us do not listen.

[BigDofBA]

As I posted before, I am not advocate of any religious organizations. I do not condem any of those who rely on and believe in religion. The bible in my opinion has a whole other agenda and story that the masses just have not awoken to.
Prayer takes some action, you do not just pray then "sit" on the side lines so to speak and wait. No kidding nothing is going to happen. You must become the change you desire. If you sick, sure you can lie around and wait for something to happen, or you can do something about it. The internet has open the door to abundant sources of holistic ways to eliminate the dis ease in any situation.
Could that not be interpretated as a miracle?? Could this not of been some divine intervention?

It has been said throughout the ages that source energy has always been in communication with us, most of us do not listen.

Good post.

[xdodger19]

Christianity is true all other belief systems are false and all unbelievers will be damned

whatever you label your opinions religion or not religion makes no difference

only true or false,

the evidence for God is creation itself

when atheist says they need evidence they are lying

the evidence for God is the fact that life exists

God's word is the Bible use a KJV other versions
come from lying catholics who change the words around to deceive people

[bobbywaves]

Do you think all that news is true since it's broadcasted?

More news is true than false, obviously some reporting mistakes have been made due to human error. So you think all news is false since it's broadcasted?

Again, many tragedies have been prevented. These stories were documented by more than one news channel, your naive to think they are lying to the public.

Maybe President Trump's Inauguration really isn't happening right now, since all the news channels are broadcasting it. Must be fake.

[BigDofBA]

More news is true than false, obviously some reporting mistakes have been made due to human error. So you think all news is false since it's broadcasted?

Again, many tragedies have been prevented. These stories were documented by more than one news channel, your naive to think they are lying to the public.

Maybe President Trump's Inauguration really isn't happening right now, since all the news channels are broadcasting it. Must be fake.

Ever heard of Brian Williams? I never said all news is fake. I'm just saying that to believe in God because of something on the news is ridiculous.

The bible says it's ok to stone women that aren't virgins, kill children, kill gays, and beat slaves.

The Quran says the same things only people in the Middle East actually live it out.

I don't believe in any of this just like I don't believe that people can walk on water or live in whales. You religious people think I'm crazy. That's fine, I'm just trying to have a conversation.

It's hard for people to come to terms that there is not an afterlife and this is all that there is. It's also very hard for people to question something that they're taught not to question. Religion guilts people into not thinking. We question everything in life except religion....why? People are scared and feel guilty....that's the great power religion has over people.
What is going to happen in 50 years when Middle Eastern countries have finally figured out how to successfully produce nuclear weapons? These people think that they're doing God's work if they kill people. People actually fly buildings into planes and kill thousands of people because they think they are doing God's work. They think by doing these things that they're going to get 70 virgins in heaven.

Your religion isn't any better or more correct than any other religion, imo.

[Snowball]

BigDofBA you are in no position to speak in absolutes, which is what
you're saying we do, you're doing it, and to be frank, you need to
do more research and reading. I can recommend books and talk shows
if you are interested to help you learn.

[bobbywaves]

The bible says it's ok to stone women that aren't virgins

Then explain why Jesus prevented this stoning: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...11&version=NLT

[nyplayer33]

I'm in south carolina..there are more churches here then bottles of water. A bldg stands in operation 7 days a week...with services maybe 5 hrs a week. During the day and nightime...mothing..no cars...con job.

[nyplayer33]

Religion...Pakistan mom murders daughter strangulation with her son and ties.body to tree and sets it on fire. Google it. Religion like sex is more bad then good. For you folks who say this n that..a person born didn't ask to be born...it's not on them to believe in god or not.

[TheMoneyShot]

Thank you God for giving the USA Donald Trump!

And thank you God for taking away the Devil... Barack Obama

[BigDofBA]

Religion...Pakistan mom murders daughter strangulation with her son and ties.body to tree and sets it on fire. Google it. Religion like sex is more bad then good. For you folks who say this n that..a person born didn't ask to be born...it's not on them to believe in god or not.

Yeah. Free will is a bs cop out.

Religion is bs. You don't have free will because you were born and have to choose between God and hell. It's ridiculous.

I respect people but not beliefs. Christianity is the lesser of 4000 evils but just because America is a Christian nation doesn't make it true.

The evidence for Christianity is no better than any other religion.

God loves you but is the biggest mass murderer of all time. God loves you but allows Hell to exist even though he designed a system that would send the majority of mankind to hell.

Got loves people but he views women as less human than man and his scripture says it's ok to own slaves. Lol. Ok.

Christians also believe oceans can be parted, people can walk on water, and babies can be born of virgins.

I don't believe any of this for obvious reasons.

Just because you're an atheist, it doesn't mean you're a bad person. Atheism relies on evidence to support claims.

[Snowball]

I heard this interview and found it interesting.
There is medical evidence for life after death,
and there is no medical evidence of consciousness
originating in matter.

http://www.drparisetti.com/?page_id=536

[BigDofBA]

To me, a no name website that looks like it was put together by a fifth grader and is not sufficient evidence.

I could easily find a website that says there is evidence you'll get 70 virgins if you commit Jihad.

Just my opinion.

[bobbywaves]

Thank you God for giving the USA Donald Trump!

And thank you God for taking away the Devil... Barack Obama

Amen.

[Snowball]

To me, a no name website that looks like it was put together by a fifth grader and is not sufficient evidence.

I could easily find a website that says there is evidence you'll get 70 virgins if you commit Jihad.

Just my opinion.

BigD no offense but if you don't listen to information whether in books, interviews, studies
or travel, your mind is stuck at a 5th grade level.

[BigDofBA]

BigD no offense but if you don't listen to information whether in books, interviews, studies
or travel, your mind is stuck at a 5th grade level.

I do listen, read and educate myself.

I was brought up religious. I've been to church a ton and read the Bible.

I always had doubts about religion and it didn't feel right about it but I blindly followed it bc people put fear in me to not question it. It was only after I started educating myself did I change my mind.

After I read more and more of the Bible it seemed like an evil book full of nonsense and contradictions. Then I started studying other religions and arrived at the same conclusions.

After I opened my mind up and looked at several beliefs and religions, it was easy to see that it was impossible for them to all be correct.

Even within Christianity and Islam people disagree. Catholics vs Baptists.....Sunnis vs Shiites. If there was a god, don't you think it would be obvious which religion was correct? There wouldn't be a debate. It wouldn't be confusing.

Depending on where you were born and raised shapes your beliefs. That means the majority of people that believe in God are still going to hell just because they were brought up Jew or Muslim and were misguided by which faith to follow. That's not fair at all. That's not a loving God.

Atheists tend to be quite educated on religion whereas religious people only know about their own religion.

There have been some good posts by Christians in this thread but I feel like I know more about Christianity than the majority of people I talk to about this topic in my everyday life.

People act shocked when I tell them I'm an atheist then they'll proceed to tell me they don't even goto church....and they don't even know many of the verses in the Bible.

If God existed he could easily prove it. Part the Pacific Ocean tomorrow and I'll believe.....instead, we can only read about these stories in an ancient book written by people that thought the earth was the center of the universe.

I understand why people want to believe in it. It's a nice story with a happy ending. If you're Christian you get eternal life after death with gold streets. If you're Muslim you get 70 virgins. It gives people false hope and comfort when loved ones die. I totally get why you would want to believe that.

I'm more happy as a non-believer because I value everyday I wake up and spend my time wisely.

[BigDofBA]

Amen.

Originally Posted by TheMoneyShot
Thank you God for giving the USA Donald Trump!

And thank you God for taking away the Devil... Barack Obama


LMAO. If God is so powerful that he cause Donald Trump to be president, that means that God also caused Obama to be president.

This is the type theist logic that makes no sense.
Anytime something happens a Christian likes they thank God. Anytime something bad happens it's not God's fault.
I didn't vote for Hillary Clinton, because she was a horrible candidate, but God had nothing to do with Trump. Religious nuts on my Facebook feed keep thank God for Trump. LMAO. I guess God likes people that cheat on their wives, get married multiple times, brag about how much money they have, and make fun of disabled people. Again, my politics lean conservative but lets get real.

[kidcudi92]

This seems to be good for this thread

[Jayvegas420]

Big D....you don't have to be educated or smart to believe in a religion.
You don't have to be informed & you certainly don't need to provide any substantial proof.
It's called faith.

When you have faith, you don't need reason, logic or common sense.

You dont need to explain anything & you don't have to investigate or question or analyze.

You just base all your life decisions on religion and everything works out in the end!

Besides, I think if I were a member of another club that Bobby has joined, I'd fukkin kill myself.

[BigDofBA]

Big D....you don't have to be educated or smart to believe in a religion.
You don't have to be informed & you certainly don't need to provide any substantial proof.
It's called faith.

When you have faith, you don't need reason, logic or common sense.

You dont need to explain anything & you don't have to investigate or question or analyze.

You just base all your life decisions on religion and everything works out in the end!

Besides, I think if I were a member of another club that Bobby has joined, I'd fukkin kill myself.

You are a smart man and seem to understand. It's hard for people to get to that point.

[bigtymer56]

Originally Posted by TheMoneyShot
Thank you God for giving the USA Donald Trump!

And thank you God for taking away the Devil... Barack Obama


LMAO. If God is so powerful that he cause Donald Trump to be president, that means that God also caused Obama to be president.

This is the type theist logic that makes no sense.
Anytime something happens a Christian likes they thank God. Anytime something bad happens it's not God's fault.
I didn't vote for Hillary Clinton, because she was a horrible candidate, but God had nothing to do with Trump. Religious nuts on my Facebook feed keep thank God for Trump. LMAO. I guess God likes people that cheat on their wives, get married multiple times, brag about how much money they have, and make fun of disabled people. Again, my politics lean conservative but lets get real.

I thought it was frowned upon to be greedy and gluttonous aka rich.

23Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
....We should be thankful God made a man, who has not shot at getting to heaven, our leader. God, really is a prankster. This is all one big joke.

[bobbywaves]

Besides, I think if I were a member of another club that Bobby has joined, I'd fukkin kill myself.

In that case Jay, please join the Knights of Columbus. I'm a 3rd degree Knight.

Or feel free to become a member of my church:

Sacred Heart Church
343 S Broad St.
Trenton, NJ. 08608

I may even attend your funeral with my fellow Knights, R.I.P. Jay.

[BigDofBA]

I thought it was frowned upon to be greedy and gluttonous aka rich.

23Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
....We should be thankful God made a man, who has not shot at getting to heaven, our leader. God, really is a prankster. This is all one big joke.

Yeah, if you actually read the Bible it's not that hard to figure out.

Many people that argue with me in everyday life haven't read the Bible and don't even know what it says.

Of course preachers are going to cherry pick scripture that sounds rosey and enlightening. It's their job! They get paid.

Some of these mega preachers are filthy rich. It's ridiculous.

[Jayvegas420]

In that case Jay, please join the Knights of Columbus. I'm a 3rd degree Knight.

Or feel free to become a member of my church:

Sacred Heart Church
343 S Broad St.
Trenton, NJ. 08608

I may even attend your funeral with my fellow Knights, R.I.P. Jay.

[bobbywaves]

I assume that's you stealing from the collection basket Jay.

Do yourself a solid, get to confession right away.

[bigtymer56]

Yeah, if you actually read the Bible it's not that hard to figure out.

Many people that argue with me in everyday life haven't read the Bible and don't even know what it says.

Of course preachers are going to cherry pick scripture that sounds rosey and enlightening. It's their job! They get paid.

Some of these mega preachers are filthy rich. It's ridiculous.

If we taxed religious organizations we wouldn't even need to worry about trying to get the Mexicans to pay for the wall.

[Jayvegas420]

Dear Lord, it's been 18 years since my last confession. Please forgive me lord but In a moment of weakness I responded to one of bobbywave's posts. Please have mercy on his soul & watch over those whom he has scammed for thousands of SBRBetpoints.Amen.Also, Opie has been talking shit about you.

[bobbywaves]

Dear Lord, it's been 18 years since my last confession. Please forgive me lord but In a moment of weakness I responded to one of bobbywave's posts.

10 Hail Mary's & 10 Our Father's should cleanse your soul, I'm sure you'll have to google the words to prayers.