betonline issues

[justwinthisone]

OK so the next 7 are what I consider to be "chip dump" hands. I am sure these guys were communicating by phone or messanger during this. Take a look and let me know what you think. The style of play gets a little crazy. "your" has lost very little money up until this point, you will see it fly all into "B" stack very quick

[justwinthisone]

Hand #6 ("B" is now fully into action)

Take a look at how this action plays out. Reraises and large bets with nothing. Not only does "your" have nothing there is a lot on the board that has him beat

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[justwinthisone]

Hand # 7 (Clear "chip dump")

Look at these foolish bets and reraises with low pair. After the turn why not call all in for rest of stack so "your" can buy back in


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[justwinthisone]

Hand #8

"your" started with 6 9, has a gutter ball shot after flop so why not throw 50 at it. turn gives "your" nothing so why not throw another $300 at it only to lose to a pair of 4's...


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[justwinthisone]

Hand #9

Started with 5 7 and flop falls 8, 5, 8. "B" throws out a $235.00 bet with 2 calls which is "your" and "d". After the turn falls "B" goes all in, "D" folds........why does "your" fold here also when he has been calling and reraising all other hands since "B" sat down. It was only less than $100.00 more....... a little suspect unless "your" had a winning hand


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[justwinthisone]

Hand #10

Look at all these reraises with nothing, then another big bet after turn....... am i crazy for thinking this is an obvious chip dump

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[justwinthisone]

Hand 11

"Your" goes all in preflop with 2 3 and gets called by "B" with 5 9....how do u shove here and how do u call unless u know u already have a bigger hand

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[justwinthisone]

Hand #12 is the last hand I am going to post of this "Chip Dump" Please let me know if you want to see more

Another all in shove for "your". "B" calls with not a very good hand either but is way ahead. Since I assume they were communicating they figured worst case its a split pot. Lucky for them "B" catches 6 on turn

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[justwinthisone]

Please take a look at all 12 hands posted above and please read the summary b4 that. Look at these facts for the 1st 64 and hands before "your" and "B" sat down together. Just remember the 1st 5 hands above is an example of the first 64 hands. The next 7 hands is what I consider a "chip dump"

LOU WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THESE HANDS? Do they not look like a chip dump to you after seeing the actual hands?

[justwinthisone]

also lou can u move this thread back to where i posted it? i have a feeling u moved it here bc there is less traffic in this section. i am not sure why u would do that

[justwinthisone]

Serious Betonline issues hand history

To everyone who has been following my "betonline issues" thread. Lou has moved it over to sportsbooks and the industry section for some reason. Please go find it there I have posted the hand history and I want some honest opinions. I have posted 12 hands. Please read the summary above the 12 hands so u know what hands are what. I gave discriptions and examples that are explained in the summary directly above the 12 hands. Thanks

[sweep]

To everyone who has been following my "betonline issues" thread. Lou has moved it over to sportsbooks and the industry section for some reason. Please go find it there I have posted the hand history and I want some honest opinions. I have posted 12 hands. Please read the summary above the 12 hands so u know what hands are what. I gave discriptions and examples that are explained in the summary directly above the 12 hands. Thanks

Gee, I cant understand why an issue with a book would be moved to "sportsbooks & the industry" section

[Justin7]

also lou can u move this thread back to where i posted it? i have a feeling u moved it here bc there is less traffic in this section. i am not sure why u would do that

Justwin,

This the correct forum for this thread. I read the industry forum a lot more than the player forum. I wasn't even aware of your dispute until it was moved here.

[5mike5]

yes this page has MORE traffic than any other...lou knows what hes doing

[justwinthisone]

Justwin,

This the correct forum for this thread. I read the industry forum a lot more than the player forum. I wasn't even aware of your dispute until it was moved here.

what do u think of these hands? and the other facts i posted about the hand history?

[vitalyo]

Honestly, no. The more you post the more it sounds like a tilted balance.

But again, it doesn't really matter what "I" think --- the industry standard is clear here. There's nothing else to be done, you are responsible for your account.

Looks like he tilted with an IP from another state . How is that for a tilt ?
Any way i find it very strange you guys didn't find anything suspicious , i am not an expert like but i am looking at his hands and i find patterns that make no sense to me . Lets look at one of his hands - his hand 6,3 vs A,10 ,3 on the board and a POT goes UP to $670 with raises and re raises . No one tilts this way , well you can bluff but to certain extent (try to steal the pot then you fold).This is not a tilt by far, you would have to be insane to do that.

Cheers.

[B1GER1C828]

interesting read of 4 pages...if those hand histories are accurate, im siding with OP here. Sadly for you pal, my opinion means jackshit in the case.

[Bill Dozer]

Speaking hypothetically, players have done crazy stuff at the end of their play when they plan to ask for their funds back. We see it in sports too. A guy starts betting 5 teamers in some minor soccer league or tripling his bet size on straights. We've seen guys give their log in to their cousins in a different state. There's also been cases where players log in from spoofed wifi hotspots which is real easy for scammers to set up and then the player wants the book to cover the losses. It could be an honest to god hackin job but that doesn't mean each poker room is at fault and is obligated to give it back. Keep in mind the book doesn't have the money. A seemingly valid player who might have just won more betting the just-lost funds has it. A book does have an obligation to check and offer any information it can to the player. Hunting down fraud claims is part of having a poker room. If there is a verified chip dumper, it helps all parties to know and return the funds to the right acct.

[Spedizzo]

I read these forums a lot and honestly it seems like nothing will be done but I'm completely on the side of the OP here.... I've seen degenerate stories but this seems like a hacker or an employees doing. How can SBR say you are ressponsible for the security of your account when books ask you to regurgitate the password for any simple question? How many 100s of upstanding costa rican citizens or whoever have our passwords? Also there is basically no security on these websites as it is. It's absurd to say nothing can be done if he was hacked and someone blatantly profited 13,850 in an hour or so starting with 150... I didn't go through OPs attachments but I think he deserves more attention in this matter.

[justwinthisone]

Speaking hypothetically, players have done crazy stuff at the end of their play when they plan to ask for their funds back. We see it in sports too. A guy starts betting 5 teamers in some minor soccer league or tripling his bet size on straights. We've seen guys give their log in to their cousins in a different state. There's also been cases where players log in from spoofed wifi hotspots which is real easy for scammers to set up and then the player wants the book to cover the losses. It could be an honest to god hackin job but that doesn't mean each poker room is at fault and is obligated to give it back. Keep in mind the book doesn't have the money. A seemingly valid player who might have just won more betting the just-lost funds has it. A book does have an obligation to check and offer any information it can to the player. Hunting down fraud claims is part of having a poker room. If there is a verified chip dumper, it helps all parties to know and return the funds to the right acct.

I was not asking betonline to give me my money back I have asked them to look into this and then get my money back from the person who did this. I understand they dont have this money but like you said they have an obligation to their customers to make sure this stuff does not happen and when it does they need to look into it more than they have up to this point. To me it is an obvious fix. All I have got from them is accused of doing this myself. I had reached out to Lou to help also but to be honest all I feel he has done is listened to what betonline told him rahter than look at the info we were getting back. These hands are so obvious that something has happened. No one has every been given my username or password. Believe me with that much money I trust no one. I even asked them to look at my past poker history so they could see I do not play that poker and I never sit down with more than $150ish. Is there anything else someone from SBR can do to help me get betonline to look further into this? thanks

[justwinthisone]

I read these forums a lot and honestly it seems like nothing will be done but I'm completely on the side of the OP here.... I've seen degenerate stories but this seems like a hacker or an employees doing. How can SBR say you are ressponsible for the security of your account when books ask you to regurgitate the password for any simple question? How many 100s of upstanding costa rican citizens or whoever have our passwords? Also there is basically no security on these websites as it is. It's absurd to say nothing can be done if he was hacked and someone blatantly profited 13,850 in an hour or so starting with 150... I didn't go through OPs attachments but I think he deserves more attention in this matter.

one more thing to add to this point.....when betonline switched from .com to .ag they sent out an email that had my username and password on it. I am not saying that is how this hacker got this info bc I honestly have no idea how they did but who in their right mind would send out an email with this info. i can understand if they send one saying the username but not the password also. how many email accounts get hacked daily to send spam? What can I do to get help in this situation?

[Spedizzo]

Looks like he tilted with an IP from another state . How is that for a tilt ?
Any way i find it very strange you guys didn't find anything suspicious , i am not an expert like but i am looking at his hands and i find patterns that make no sense to me . Lets look at one of his hands - his hand 6,3 vs A,10 ,3 on the board and a POT goes UP to $670 with raises and re raises . No one tilts this way , well you can bluff but to certain extent (try to steal the pot then you fold).This is not a tilt by far, you would have to be insane to do that.

Cheers.

It's actually scary how SBR completely disregarded the OP and closed the case pretty much after BetOnline provided them with an IP address despite the overwhelming information he has provided...this is suspicious as hell. I understand BetOnline is a sponsor and all but come on... It seems like unless a book used to be backed by FutureBet or is not a sponsor they do not get looked into anymore

[vitalyo]

But again, it doesn't really matter what "I" think --- the industry standard is clear here. There's nothing else to be done, you are responsible for your account.

This is a cowboy talk . You already got your face in the mud with BOL B+ rating .

how does a guy go from playing once or twice a week for $50-$150 to several thousand in 1 night

So according to the player he only plays once or twice a week for $50-$150 .

I had $300 already in my poker account and I had $7,500.00 in my sportsbook which got transfered into poker

My question is . Did he transfer $7.500 before or after he lost $300.00 that he had in his poker account .
$50 to $150 per week would never transfer his whole balance a specially if he had $300 in it . Why would he need to do that ? It's not like stakes are high (the average pot was $38 ) LOL .

Lou . With all do respect Wilhelm at RX did a better job with Cory case . Maybe you should hire him , he has a lot of experience .

Cheers GL.

[5mike5]

any1 thats plays poker (or anything) at BOL after seeing the OPs in the past when BOL did try and confiscate the poker winnings need their head checked out....BOL has gone to total crap...not to mention the payout complaints on here daily now adays

how many players out there that dont have SBR to go to bat for them have had poker winnings wrongfully taken from them? easy anwser: ALOT

[justwinthisone]

Speaking hypothetically, players have done crazy stuff at the end of their play when they plan to ask for their funds back. We see it in sports too. A guy starts betting 5 teamers in some minor soccer league or tripling his bet size on straights. We've seen guys give their log in to their cousins in a different state. There's also been cases where players log in from spoofed wifi hotspots which is real easy for scammers to set up and then the player wants the book to cover the losses. It could be an honest to god hackin job but that doesn't mean each poker room is at fault and is obligated to give it back. Keep in mind the book doesn't have the money. A seemingly valid player who might have just won more betting the just-lost funds has it. A book does have an obligation to check and offer any information it can to the player. Hunting down fraud claims is part of having a poker room. If there is a verified chip dumper, it helps all parties to know and return the funds to the right acct.

can sbr open this case back up and try to help me recover these funds? i have tried and tried and tried to get betonline to move quick on this so that we could get it resolved before this person tried to make a withdrawl or b4 they lose it themself. i do feel as though betonline is slightly responsible for not acting on this in a timely fashion. lets say they cashed this money out since betonline took so long to even release this hand history.....whose fault is that????? they need to take responsibility for stuff that happens or that they have allowed to happen in their rooms

[marcojuiceman]

BOL stole your money.....
why would they give something back one of there buddies stole?
Plain and simple.. Its called a Scam

[ThaWoj]

alex, your operation is going down hill fast. too many complaints, too many scams. there are less complaints from C and D rated books on the forum. take pointers from islands and dimes...

[Spedizzo]

OP: http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbook...shut-down.html

Looks like BetOnline shut down their poker... Coincidental timing on the license. This is a joke. I hope you get your funds... I can only imagine how you feel... If I was outted $200 id be irate.

Hopefully SBR will stop being so stubborn about the INSANE amount of complaints with BetOnline and remove them off their list... But I guess money goes a long way. This is the type of shit Rx gets blasted for.

The fact that SBR and BetOnline dismissed OP over blatant suspicious activity involving several thousands of dollars is a concern.

Edit by SBR Lou: BetOnline had maintenance to do. Management tells us poker should be back up within a day.

[justwinthisone]

OP: http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbook...shut-down.html

Looks like BetOnline shut down their poker... This is a joke. I hope you get your funds... I can only imagine how you feel... If I was outted $200 id be irate.

Hopefully SBR will stop being so stubborn about the INSANE amount of complaints with BetOnline and remove them off their list... But I guess money goes a long way. This is the type of shit Rx gets blasted for.

The fact that SBR and BetOnline dismissed OP over blatant suspicious activity involving several thousands of dollars is a concern.

Now its known BetOnline had poker issues forcing a shut down... Is OP still responsible for "security" issues?

the worst part about all this (other than having my money stolen) is betonlines customer service. i have called, emailed, and private messaged them several times every single day since this has happened. i have not heard a word back. i got 1 email back from them and that was it. they would tell me this has been passed onto the manager and he is going to handle it. they have done nothing. they even told lou they were going to send me the hand history directly but never did. i am greatfull I at the very least got that so I could see this bs for myself. they need to work on a lot more than just their security....

also i am still curious if sbr is willing to reopen this to try and help me after they have seen this obvious info given.

[tomcowley]

There's no way the hand in #122 is legit. The preflop all-in call with 95 also makes no sense. It's possible some of the other hands are spew monkey playing badly, but there's pretty much no chance 122 is a real hand. That doesn't 100% mean the OP is legit (he could be in on it somehow), but Lou/Dozer dismissing this as normal tiltmonkey play just means they don't know dick about poker.

[justwinthisone]

There's no way the hand in #122 is legit. The preflop all-in call with 95 also makes no sense. It's possible some of the other hands are spew monkey playing badly, but there's pretty much no chance 122 is a real hand. That doesn't 100% mean the OP is legit (he could be in on it somehow), but Lou/Dozer dismissing this as normal tiltmonkey play just means they don't know dick about poker.

believe me i have several other hands that will all show this is a chip dump...... i just picked 7 of them bc i figured that was all u needed to see to tell this is bs and i did not want to clutter the board with 25 hands..... also how could i be in on it somehow? i am not asking betonline to give me money back i am asking them to investigate this situation and get it back from the person/persons responsible for taking it.....that comment makes no sense.....

[5mike5]

any1 thats deposits money into BOL ater the last few months shouldnt really be suprisd by this

what is this the 4th or 5th time shady shit happens at BOL poker room...and thats just from players that are here at SBR...no telling what that # really is

[slash]

I would very much like to see the hand histories from one of the numerous times in the past that BOL has tried to steal money by claiming a chip dump... If it can be more obvious than this, I am amazed.

[Bill Dozer]

I would very much like to see the hand histories from one of the numerous times in the past that BOL has tried to steal money by claiming a chip dump... If it can be more obvious than this, I am amazed.

Rake is like printing money. Having their other users or potential users get scared would cost them much more than 7k.

There's no way the hand in #122 is legit. The preflop all-in call with 95 also makes no sense. It's possible some of the other hands are spew monkey playing badly, but there's pretty much no chance 122 is a real hand. That doesn't 100% mean the OP is legit (he could be in on it somehow), but Lou/Dozer dismissing this as normal tiltmonkey play just means they don't know dick about poker.

Tom, my post doesn't make any reference to the hand history, which I didn't personally review. What I said was shady hands or hacked accounts doesnt always = getting your money back. When the book's catch a dumper or colluder and get the balance, they can redistribute funds. For all the times Poker Stars and Party Poker caught someone and gave the money back, there were of course many more times they didn't catch them. That's part of the online poker game even with the best risk mgt poker software. We are seeing what info we can get from BetOnline for the player. On another note, you should try being a little more positive. For every smart thing you contribute you put someone down... symptom of a fear of intimacy and creating friendships I think they say.

[katstale]

On another note, you should try being a little more positive. For every smart thing you contribute you put someone down... symptom of a fear of intimacy and creating friendships I think they say.

Dr. Phil!!! lolol