Jazette (sportsbook.com, playersonly.com, superbook.com, etc) IS STEALING AGAIN

[trespass88]

Advice for everyone out there that Jazette (JassY) is up to theire old tricks of trying to steal from its players. Today they sent me a notice they will not be paying for another four weeks (I don't believe 'em) on a $8K withdrawal e-mail on a payment that has been outstanding for six weeks ....,,,blaming it on their processor (who works for who here?).

Only Jazette companies (Sportsbook.com, sports.com, playeronly.com, etc.) feel they have the right to not pay, try to string you out, have you put the money back on account so you'll lose it, etc. You cannot get a straight answer on any question you ask. Just horrible management and call center staff that are clearly under direction to apologize, blame it on the government, their processor....anything other than answer your question and pay honestly. Anyone of us could run a better operation. The cashier and documents people will not even answer e-amils it has become so bad.

SBR recently raised sportsbook.com rating to D+ from D-. (http://www.sportsbookreview.com/SR.aspx?S=Sportsbook.com). Unwarrranted, but with a rating that low, even on the upside, tells you all you need to know. THEY TELL YOU that they will only pay out on a four week schedule, $2,500 per.

Cashing out is the most important part of the wager process.Please, do not wager with any Jazzete companies. They have at lest 17 sites, a complete list of which can be found at the following link:

http://online.casinocity.com/ownership/owner.cfm?Id=7268&searchall=1

[ShamsWoof10]

Advice for everyone out there that Jazette is up to theire old tricks of trying to steal from its players. Todays they sent me a notice they will not be paying on a $8K withdrawal e-mail on a pyment that has been outstanding for three weeks ....,,,blaming it on their processor (who works for who here?).

I'm not saying he's right and I'm not saying he's wrong... What I am saying is this does not make sense... Slow pay would be a processor issue NOT a NO PAY...

All I am saying is ..this does not sound right...

[RickySteve]

Sportsbook.com hasn't been upgraded. Still the same pile of pigeon shit they've always been.

[Goberry]

I cashed out $360 in June and their check bounced. After faxing them the check and bank fee, they put it back into my account. I now have $1,000 there but whenever I withdraw they tell me I need to fax my license and a utility bill.

I HAVE DONE THIS FIVE TIMES SINCE and they still refuse to acknowledge it, going so far as to say it was "illegible." Well, I had a copy of what was sent returned to the fax...it was legible.

A-1 #1 why these clowns need to be regulated.

[ertl09]

anyone having a problem with matchbook withdrawls?? Its been a month and 10 days now and still havn't recieved my check. should I be getting worried? I emailed them a few times and all they said was sorry for the inconvince and it should be here within the week but that was 2 weeks ago.

[cinpls081]

You guys need to use the USE MY WALLET method get your money in a couple of days. NO CHECKS!!!

[grilldoggy]

Took PlayersOnly 6 weeks to deliver a check, after contacting customer service numerous times - unacceptable.

[cinpls081]

I got a payout in less then 8 hours today to us my wallet. i have no idea what you are talking about they are paying very quickly maybe there is an issue with checks......

[IHateBookies]

I charged back the shit out of sportsbook.com

[Roxxyfish]

I never had any trouble to get my money from Players Only not even when i won 7K prize packageto the English Poker Open, I faxed my ID and a utilitiy bill and from that day i recieve my withdrawals to my neteller ewallet within 48hours

[HedgeHog]

Everyone should know what they're getting into before sending money to SB.con They have been a D- Book (never an upgrade to D+ as reported) since their initial thievery a few years back. Granted there are plenty of +EV opportunities at this crap outfit, but you need to weigh this against the very real possibilty you'll get stiffed.

[Thremp]

Check withdrawals have always been a problem at this outfit. Wire and e-wallet payment have been very quick. I think OP is having some issues with his wire payment.

[ShamsWoof10]

Everyone should know what they're getting into before sending money to SB.con They have been a D- Book (never an upgrade to D+ as reported) since their initial thievery a few years back. Granted there are plenty of +EV opportunities at this crap outfit, but you need to weigh this against the very real possibilty you'll get stiffed.

If you abuse their bonuses or attempt to get away with something you KNOW isn't right then things like that usually happen...

If you follow the rules as in their T&A, which HedgeHog thinks doesn't apply to him, then you'll have no issues...

[Thremp]

If you abuse their bonuses or attempt to get away with something you KNOW isn't right then things like that usually happen... If you follow the rules as in their T&A, which HedgeHog thinks doesn't apply to him, then you'll have no issues...

FFS. This is just as bad as the RickySteve impression of "You'll never get a dime out of there". Pretending they steal from everyone is retarded, and pretending they steal from no one is retarded. I may find myself the victim of a retroactive account adjustment tomorrow, but unless the game changes I think I can make money playing there. For someone looking to donk off some money, there are better places to play with increased safety, less risk of theft and easier payouts. For a professional, no one should be giving you simplistic guidelines or you're Justin Dancer sort of professional who needs hand holding.

[gambleballs]

I could write a short novel outlining all the problems I've had with this group.

[durito]

The OP is 2 years old.

[durito]

I could write a short novel outlining all the problems I've had with this group.

I could buy a large house with the money I've taken.

[HedgeHog]

If you abuse their bonuses or attempt to get away with something you KNOW isn't right then things like that usually happen...

If you follow the rules as in their T&A, which HedgeHog thinks doesn't apply to him, then you'll have no issues...

We've had this argument several times before. My money was stolen by what SB deemed to be "correlated parlays" (and all books accept these side to total bets). SB stole money from several people, including myself, and re-wrote their T & C (not T & A you pervert) after the fact. BTW, are you still a paid spokeman for these crooks? I can only assume so.

[ShamsWoof10]

We've had this argument several times before. My money was stolen by what SB deemed to be "correlated parlays" (and all books accept these side to total bets). SB stole money from several people, including myself, and re-wrote their T & C (not T & A you pervert) after the fact. BTW, are you still a paid spokeman for these crooks? I can only assume so.

Let's see how we do with honesty here Hedgey...

Did you place a "correlated parlay" (1H I believe it was) AFTER knowing they no longer accepted these types of bets ?

[HedgeHog]

Let's see how we do with honesty here Hedgey...

Did you place a "correlated parlay" (1H I believe it was) AFTER knowing they no longer accepted these types of bets ?

All pars were side/total. Some were 1st half side with first half total; others were full game sides with full games totals. These are perfectly legit bets at most books even today. And this was BEFORE Sportsbook.com changed their T & C 's. SB.com stole the money and re-wrote the rules afterwards. BTW, I stopped betting there after the theft.

SBR dropped SB.com to a D- because of this--where they remain today. Further, SBR continues to work to recover funds that your beloved SB.com blatantly stole. These are the facts.

[trixtrix]

Let's see how we do with honesty here Hedgey...

Did you place a "correlated parlay" (1H I believe it was) AFTER knowing they no longer accepted these types of bets ?

shill, just stop. you're worse than the wagerweb shill eagle. sb.com NEVER stated they no longer accepted these types of bets. unless you're referring to any parlays that are "correlated", in which case it means they don't accept parlays..ever

[jackkkk2009]

currently, *********** is the fastest way to withdraw from their family group..

[ShamsWoof10]

All pars were side/total. Some were 1st half side with first half total; others were full game sides with full games totals. These are perfectly legit bets at most books even today. And this was BEFORE Sportsbook.com changed their T & C 's. SB.com stole the money and re-wrote the rules afterwards. BTW, I stopped betting there after the theft.

SBR dropped SB.com to a D- because of this--where they remain today. Further, SBR continues to work to recover funds that your beloved SB.com blatantly stole. These are the facts.

Hey Hedgey how about answering the question..?

Did you place a "correlated parlay" AFTER you knew they no longer accepted them but did it because as you stated the software allowed it?

By the way I get paid in 3 days via **** c*rd!! Great option...

[durito]

Shams your argument is and always has been complete ****ing bull shit.

Your if bets that you make there are correlated. I can't wait till they steal all your winnings retroactively.

They pay <1day via ***. That doesn't change that fact they are thieves.

[HedgeHog]

Hey Hedgey how about answering the question..?

Did you place a "correlated parlay" AFTER you knew they no longer accepted them but did it because as you stated the software allowed it?

By the way I get paid in 3 days via **** c*rd!! Great option...

I did answer it. Sportsbook.com stole first and then addressed correlated bets afterward (there was no such rule in place when they decided to ripoff many of their clients). I quit after they took my money. What part of this don't you understand? And what a hypocrite you are for bashing people who make correlated bets, when you do them yourself.

[DogLover]

If you abide by their rules, they pay. I just got a check from SB for $2,500. Took less than a week.

[HedgeHog]

If you abide by their rules, they pay. I just got a check from SB for $2,500. Took less than a week.

Keep telling yourself that.

[50cent]

all i can say people is to stop playing with these d rated books and play at the grek or betjam they pay out super fast with no damn problems people fu*k these other bull shit books with all these dammn problem when you are trying to get your own money from them the hell with them,............

[coloradobuff]

If you abide by their rules, they pay. I just got a check from SB for $2,500. Took less than a week.

Yep..exactly..they are a good shop..great for prop bets..

[HedgeHog]

"Good shops" aren't rated D-. Study your history or be prepared to repeat it:

10/19/2007 06:40 PM
sportsbook.com downgraded from D+ to D-
10/19/2007 06:13 PM

sportsbook.com: We will cancel winnings and keep player losses
sportsbook.com (SBR rating D-) tells SBR that they will not reverse the decision to confiscate parlay winnings. The Jazette Group has added insult to injury today by releasing a statement saying they may also keep player losses. The statement starts by referencing vague house rules and invites victims to ask for their accounts to be reviewed so sportsbook.com can decide whether to retroactively cancel losing parlays as they did with winning wagers that took place after September 1st. The book has been accepting these types of wagers for years. The latest rash of complaints take the Jazette operation from inefficient error-prone giant to stiff-sportsbook status.

sportsbook.com:If upon a second review of the account the decision remains that the customer repeatedly and knowingly exploited the system in order to place those wagers, then no further action will be taken. | Read Full Statement

10.22.2007 Update: sportsbook.com now stating that all losses in this time frame will be refunded. Players should contact SBR to pursue credit for losses.
10/19/2007 01:23 PM

Sportsbetting.com (SBR rating D+) joins BetUSA (SBR rating C-) in stating that it will not confiscate winnings from correlated parlays, which was the original action taken by service provider, sportsbook.com's (SBR rating D+) operation management. Any players that have found their SportsBetting.com account to be debited should contact SBR or Sportsbetting.com.

BetUSA has added the following rule to address the lack of software control over correlated parlays. Other sportsbook.com sister sites are encouraged to add similar language and warn players via email that this new stipulation exists.
Correlated parlay betting: The results of certain events can be considered to be correlated. For example, in college football betting on a heavy underdog (eg 35 point underdog) and the under in the game is statistically correlated. If players consistently bet correlated parlays then management reserves the right to regrade wagers. Wagers will be split so that half the stake will go on the pointspread and half on the under in the game. This rule applies from 19 October 2007. This will only apply to those regularly staking $50 or more on parlays and is intended only to limit professional bettors who consistently bet correlated parlays.
SBR Rules Monitor: BetUSA

SBR continues to discuss this matter with sportsbook.com management with little progress. sportsbook.com has agreed to credit players for losing correlated parlays since September 1st. This is of little consolation for most victims because only winning account holders were robbed during a time period when sportsbook.com noticed players beating the book for large sums. Players do not have the option to recover losses from periods prior when they may have sustained a losing run. The offer by sportsbook.com, although possibly reducing the amount stolen, further illustrates why the actions are unjust.

10/16/2007 02:32 PM

BetUSA (SBR rating D+), a sportsbook.com serviced book, agrees to pay on all voided same-game (correlated parlay) winning parlays. BetUSA ownership has often reversed unfair decisions by its service provider on issues ranging from incorrect bet grading to bonus and wagering disputes. Players whose BetUSA balances were debited should contact SBR or BetUSA ownership by email. SBR is still communicating with sportsbook.com regarding the decision to confiscate these winnings across all of the sites under its management.
10/14/2007 02:21 AM

GoHorseBetting enters the SBR rating guide at D. GHB is a sportsbook serviced by the sportsbook.com group which is the source of over thirty new complaints this week. SBR to report in detail on each matter.
10/13/2007 11:22 PM

Email from BetOnUSA (SBR rating D) manager shows how neither sportsbook.com (SBR rating D+) or BetOnUSA are claiming responsibilty for a player's near five-figure balance. This player's account was moved from BetOnUSA's operation with the brand PyramidCasino to sportsbook.com's operation. Once BetOnUSA's group of sites moved to Futurebet and ended its relationship with sportsbook.com, some larger balance holders saw their funds disappear. See BetOnUSA email to player.
10/11/2007 11:10 PM

sportsbook.com (SBR rating D+) confiscates winnings made from correlated parlay bets dating back over one month. SBR is currently investigating complaints submitted by four players who were informed via email that thousands would be deducted from their balances because winnings derived from parlays where the legs of the parlay are "linked." Wagering on Under the total score and the Underdog spread would be an example of a correlated 2-team parlay. Some sportsbooks use their software to prohibit these types of wagers. SBR is also investigating a separate claim made by a player who states that over $80,000 was confiscated because he utlized different sportsbook websites within the sportsbook.com family (Jazette ltd Group) of sportsbooks. This has been allowed and often encouraged by the different brands in the past. SBR will list updates for all sportsbook.com complaints ranging from instances of incorrectly graded wagers to missing balances from sportsbook brands that defected from the sportsbook.com operation to other white label services.
10/7/2007 11:48 PM

Player's PyramidCasino (SBR rating D-) $9,500 balance disappears
The sportsbook was part of the BetOnUSA Group (Empire Entertainment Ltd) before BetOnUSA moved its network of sportsbook websites under the sportsbook.com Group (Jazette Enterprises Ltd) in December of 2006. When BetOnUSA chose to cut ties with Jazette and move its websites to the SportsbookUSA Group (Futurebet) last month they redirected PyramidCasino.com to land at BetOnUSA.com. Most PyramidCasino account holders can log in at BetOnUSA (SBR rating D). This player has been told by BetOnUSA that they have not received the funds from the sportsbook.com operation and are not responsible for the balance despite owning the site, which now points to BetOnUSA. sportsbook.com management claims the player debt belongs to BetOnUSA despite that funds were won when the site was managed by the sportsbook.com Group and the player currently being able to log in to his zeroed out account using the Jazette-operated Sportsbetting.com (SBR rating D+). This is the second player to report that the two companies are playing hot potato with his balance. A player who won over $100,000 from BetOnUSA's casino has not been able to access the $85,000 that was remaining in his BetOnUSA account. Both companies claim the debt belongs to the other. BetOnUSA is owned by the same group that owns Oddsmaker (SBR rating D-). These issues serve as a reminder of the added risk that comes with playing at turnkey sportsbooks.
9/25/2007 06:26 PM

sportsbook.com Group stands firm on decision to void winning wagers
sportsbook.com (SBR rating D+) bettors who had winning bets on the September 9th game between the Indians and the Angels will apparently be cheated out of their funds. After initially crediting players for the win the funds were deducted from accounts due to a misspelling in the abbreviated listing of one of the pitcher's first names. Players have made a legitimate case that the decision is illogical, inconsistent and subjective. Players have reported instances where losing wagers placed on games where the pitchers' names have also been misspelled were not canceled.


Player: FYI, below is a copy of a bet that I made at Sports.com on Sep 18th. You'll notice that it was graded a Loss, rather than a No Action, despite the fact that the pitcher's name was spelled wrong (it was spelled Harahan, and was supposed to be Hanrahan). Now obviously, it's not a major spelling error (only one letter off), and it did not confuse me, and I wouldn't expect the bet to be No Actioned .... however, it does illustrate that their bet cancellations are very subjective (the JefWeaver bet that they cancelled was only one letter different from JerWeaver, similar to this Harahan / Hanrahan bet which they allowed to stand as a Loss).


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[Justin7]

If you abide by their rules, they pay. I just got a check from SB for $2,500. Took less than a week.

DogLover,

How can you abide by their rules, if they will change them and enforce them retro-actively?

I'm glad you got paid. Some people do. But your statement "If you abide by their rules, they pay." is not accurate. If you are a pro and beat them badly, you're an underdog to get paid.

[Thremp]

DogLover, How can you abide by their rules, if they will change them and enforce them retro-actively? I'm glad you got paid. Some people do. But your statement "If you abide by their rules, they pay." is not accurate. If you are a pro and beat them badly, you're an underdog to get paid.

Another child without a clue speaking out of his ass.

[mathdotcom]

I have had no issues with a number of jazette books, and in fact have always been paid in under 24 hours. These include iwager, hailmary, hollywood, brobury, mysportsbook, sports.com, betusa.

I have not played at sportsbook.com though.

[DogLover]

I see that most of the cases mentioned above have to do with correlated parlays. I've always steered clear of anything that could be construed as potentially taking advantage of a book (i.e. betting into obviously erroneous lines, multiple accounts, correlated parlays, etc.). I've been paid repeatedly by SB without any problems -- and it's always been within a week.

mathdot -- If you already have a MySB account, it would be a violation to open an SB account.

[trixtrix]

I see that most of the cases mentioned above have to do with correlated parlays. I've always steered clear of anything that could be construed as potentially taking advantage of a book (i.e. betting into obviously erroneous lines, multiple accounts, correlated parlays, etc.). I've been paid repeatedly by SB without any problems -- and it's always been within a week.

mathdot -- If you already have a MySB account, it would be a violation to open an SB account.

translation: i work for sportsbook.com