5Dimes stole 14 500 USD

**lt56** · 05-10-11, 02:24 AM

There's no way someone plays 16 hours non stop for several days in a row. I could see thousands of hands in half a day maybe but 20,000 over the course of 16 hours and 60,000 in 3 straight days is pure bs. The original poster deserves nothing. Every time someone has a problem with Tony; he cuts to the chase and delivers facts. He's not a tough guy; he simply asks the most relevant questions and adds some humor and then bases his decisions on what's right or wrong. No one plays 16 hours a day and 140,000 hands non stop for a week

**barcelonafc** · 05-10-11, 02:38 AM

Originally posted by lt56

There's no way someone plays 16 hours non stop for several days in a row. I could see thousands of hands in half a day maybe but 20,000 over the course of 16 hours and 60,000 in 3 straight days is pure bs. The original poster deserves nothing. Every time someone has a problem with Tony; he cuts to the chase and delivers facts. He's not a tough guy; he simply asks the most relevant questions and adds some humor and then bases his decisions on what's right or wrong. No one plays 16 hours a day and 140,000 hands non stop for a week

what a stupid idiot u really are, i know a pro player who plays that. how do u know he cant play this amount of hands.

remember everyone doubted cory?

sbr ruled in his favour.

stop making retarded comments, have u tried to do it???

**Dark Horse** · 05-10-11, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by barcelonafc

what a stupid idiot u really are, i know a pro player who plays that. how do u know he cant play this amount of hands.

remember everyone doubted cory?

sbr ruled in his favour.

stop making retarded comments, have u tried to do it???

Read up on cybercrime from Eastern Europe. I read an article recently in Wired about a whole town there dedicated to ripping off Americans, and the law looking the other way. Everybody involved was living the good life. Expect a growing army of very smart programmers/hackers exploiting every loophole in the cyberworld.

**yelling** · 05-10-11, 03:04 AM

5dime topic

never played on 5dimes before, only poker one time..hows the site, shitty i guess huh

**LegitBet** · 05-10-11, 05:24 AM

It's important to remember the 'average' time per hand is just that, an average.
My point being the no-brainer hands like redrawing all five cards probably were under the average time per hand, allowing more time to be spent on the more
'decision' Intensive hands, adding to the credibility/plausibility of the big picture.

**HedgeHog** · 05-10-11, 06:36 AM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

Casino bot guys are completely different animals than sports bettors. These casino threads made me realize that the way a sportsbook may handle these disputes does not reflect on the way they operate the sportsbook.

Plenty of people have tried to find ways to cheat in Vegas casinos. Of course, they're never guilty. But the mechanical games they play are of a very different nature than what goes on in the sportsbook of the same casino.

The difference, of course, is that in Vegas the sportsbook is part of the casino, where online the casino is (seen as) part of the sportsbook. But they really are separate, and each have their own culture. I don't think anyone sitting in a Vegas sportsbook would be worried about getting paid if the casino caught some guy cheating with some computerized game. He would just shrug it off as irrelevant. That is why I suggested previously that the sportsbook and casino topics are deserving of separate forums. As long as these books don't cheat sports bettors I don't give a f*ck about their dealings with their casino guests. That's what I learned from this recent avalanche of casino complaints. Cheers from the lounge.

For the record. SBR clearly recognizes this difference, and has a casino forum all the way at the bottom. So why are these threads not moved there?

I think the more important issue is that this involves the potential theft by an A+ Book. So in that respect, it's absolutely relevant to the S & I Forum.

**jairocon** · 05-10-11, 06:52 AM

This was definitely an interesting read. I'm looking forward to the public review. My bet is, that they won't be able to prove a robot play - only suspect it.

**shari91** · 05-10-11, 06:59 AM

Dark Horse, in all honesty what do you think the reaction would have been if I had moved this thread to the Casino forum the second I saw zabula's first post because it dealt with a casino game? An A+ book, and more importantly, a prominent SBR advertiser. I'll say with 100% certainty that as soon as someone stumbled across this thread or read about zabula's issue on another forum, there would be a slew of people claiming that SBR was attempting to bury the issue in a sub-forum that has a lot less traffic than this one. Even though that wouldn't have been my intention obviously.

This thread deals with a sportsbook. One that happens to have a banner at the top of the page. It belongs in this forum. Even if I had moved it, someone would have moved it back. And rightfully so.

**Monte** · 05-10-11, 07:38 AM

It all comes down to 2 things:
- before providing any proof etc. they simply zero out the balance of a "customer"
- they are happy to take the money from all the clueless, addicted casino loosers thou.

I don't even need to know if the player used a bot. In a normal world if would be the books responsibility to make their games unbeatable anyway. 5Dimes & everyone else who does this is GUILTY no matter what the pointless arguments will bring to light.

**HedgeHog** · 05-10-11, 07:56 AM

Originally posted by Monte

It all comes down to 2 things:
- before providing any proof etc. they simply zero out the balance of a "customer"
- they are happy to take the money from all the clueless, addicted casino loosers thou.

I don't even need to know if the player used a bot. In a normal world if would be the books responsibility to make their games unbeatable anyway. 5Dimes & everyone else who does this is GUILTY no matter what the pointless arguments will bring to light.

That part bothers me the most, too. If true, Tony took a shot, regardless if he eventually pays the OP.

**cyberinvestor** · 05-10-11, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by WVU

what are you basing this post on? Do you have a lot of experience playing video poker? Those who do, like myself, would have no problem playing 20,000 hands in a day with the speed of that casino. Some of you guys really amaze me, commenting on something you really don't know that much about when it can have lasting effects.

Here's what I see. Cory "beats" EZStreet and we get bombarded every day with new EZStreet blows threads. I don't disagree that it is possible BUT now someone gets cheated by 5Dimes and there are 5-6 open threads about how horrible Tony and 5Dimes are. It's the same thing that happened with cory1111 when the EZStreet thing blew up. I didn't accuse this new player or cory of cheating. I simply said that seems wierd. Perhaps because I have a life, family, etc and could never sit at a computer and run through 20,000 video poker hands in a day. So, yes, to someone like myself who goes outside every day it seems odd. It is also odd that SBR has a bunch of amazing video poker players.

Originally posted by Scooter

Was just thinking about this when I read your post. I see in the "May Payouts" thread that most of the payouts are 3 figures. There is nothing wrong with this. It does make me feel that some of the people who make ignorant posts like that of cyberinvestor and Dark Horse are feeling jealousy and anger towards players who have won amounts that they can only dream of. (I don't know the bankrolls of these 2 players specifically. But I do feel that jealousy and anger towards winning players plays a part in this type of ignorant statements).

I have no problem with someone attacking my posts but you come out of left field that I wish I could get a three figure payout from 5Dimes. That's borderline childish and definitely a weak argument. Nice try. I hope the guy did win at video poker and legally. If he did then I hope he gets every dime. I have simply said it smells wierd. A new guy playing a ton of video poker hands in a row and then a barrage of 5Dimes sucks threads. Next time you post, at least make it on the topic at hand and not just attacking the people because you cannot attack the post.

**cyberinvestor** · 05-10-11, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by barcelonafc

what a stupid idiot u really are, i know a pro player who plays that. how do u know he cant play this amount of hands. remember everyone doubted cory? sbr ruled in his favour. stop making retarded comments, have u tried to do it???

SBR ruled in his favor because EZStreet did not provide evidence. It was never proven that Cory could actually play that many hands and that is the problem everyone here has in trying to figure out what happened. I venture to say that few people here have the time to sit at a computer and play 20,000 hands in a day. Yes, I realize it is possible but so is time travel assuming you can travel near the speed of light and manipulate gravity. Can anyone travel in time? No, but it is possible. I would love SBR to run an experiment with this guy and cory1111 and allow them to replicate that many hands in the time they pulled it off online.

**cyberinvestor** · 05-10-11, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by jairocon

This was definitely an interesting read. I'm looking forward to the public review. My bet is, that they won't be able to prove a robot play - only suspect it.

That's the thing it is impossible to prove because it is mathematically possible. So it comes down to the reality that someone played 20,000 hands in a day. If those hands were played using the same time in between hands, then that's about the only way the book could prove it. Even then it is still circumstantial both ways. Also funny that with all this going on 5Dimes gets a DOS attack. Someone who could pull that off has a little computer knowledge and perhaps is trying to make 5Dimes miserable so they pay. Might all mean nothing and might all be disconnected but just seems fishy.

**eleuropeano** · 05-10-11, 08:39 AM

dang, and I thought 5dimes was a legit sportsbook.. i almost used them for my pro application. now it turns out there is some guy tony who solely runs the show there, designs games with 12.5%(!!!) player edge and then when some fella has the patience and determination (respect for that btw) to see him through, he robs the fella of his money.

Apparently Tony, despite being the master of the gambling universe, doesn't know bad publicity and a reputation for scamming costs a lot more than $14,500

**blackbart** · 05-10-11, 08:40 AM

i would guess, in light of the recent developments with ez street, that tony is trying to make an example of this case and show that there is groups trying to take advantage and break the rules. note dozer's post, they have already agreed to pay if there is any doubt.

**vitalyo** · 05-10-11, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by lt56

There's no way someone plays 16 hours non stop for several days in a row. I could see thousands of hands in half a day maybe but 20,000 over the course of 16 hours and 60,000 in 3 straight days is pure bs. The original poster deserves nothing. Every time someone has a problem with Tony; he cuts to the chase and delivers facts. He's not a tough guy; he simply asks the most relevant questions and adds some humor and then bases his decisions on what's right or wrong. No one plays 16 hours a day and 140,000 hands non stop for a week

I don't play casinos . But i play poker , i have no problem to play the game for 24H
so in other words simple game /strategy "Jacks or better" i can easily go for 16H a day a specially if i would found an edge .

GL.

**WVU** · 05-10-11, 09:00 AM

I doubt the DOS attacks have anything to do with this dispute. Haven't they been having DOS attacks for some time now?

**pokerplayer22** · 05-10-11, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by cyberinvestor

Here's what I see. Cory "beats" EZStreet and we get bombarded every day with new EZStreet blows threads. I don't disagree that it is possible BUT now someone gets cheated by 5Dimes and there are 5-6 open threads about how horrible Tony and 5Dimes are. It's the same thing that happened with cory1111 when the EZStreet thing blew up. I didn't accuse this new player or cory of cheating. I simply said that seems wierd. Perhaps because I have a life, family, etc and could never sit at a computer and run through 20,000 video poker hands in a day. So, yes, to someone like myself who goes outside every day it seems odd. It is also odd that SBR has a bunch of amazing video poker players.

I have no problem with someone attacking my posts but you come out of left field that I wish I could get a three figure payout from 5Dimes. That's borderline childish and definitely a weak argument. Nice try. I hope the guy did win at video poker and legally. If he did then I hope he gets every dime. I have simply said it smells wierd. A new guy playing a ton of video poker hands in a row and then a barrage of 5Dimes sucks threads. Next time you post, at least make it on the topic at hand and not just attacking the people because you cannot attack the post.

After EZstreet stole 46k from a player, there were numerous threads started about them...and all rightfully warrented, especially after SBR ruled in favor of the player. Most of 5dimes new threads have to do with their site being down and not this dispute. IF SBR does side with the player and recommends 5dimes to pay and they dont, its a safe assumption that there will be more threads and a downgrade. Having said that, if SBR rules in favor of the player here, there is a 0% chance that he doesnt get paid.

**thegreen** · 05-10-11, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by cyberinvestor

That's the thing it is impossible to prove because it is mathematically possible. So it comes down to the reality that someone played 20,000 hands in a day. If those hands were played using the same time in between hands, then that's about the only way the book could prove it. Even then it is still circumstantial both ways. Also funny that with all this going on 5Dimes gets a DOS attack. Someone who could pull that off has a little computer knowledge and perhaps is trying to make 5Dimes miserable so they pay. Might all mean nothing and might all be disconnected but just seems fishy.

True Grinders can do this....There are many poker players who do 18-45 tables at a time for prolonged periods which might seem crazy but they have an edge and play to make 10% ROI....No different here as a smart GRINDER saw an advantage and jumped on it. Nothing illegal and as the CHAT logs stated by Tony it was beatable!!!!! For the to steal money from a player is outright SCAM!!! Goes to prove that these site will do whatever they want whenever they want and EVERYONES money is at risk.....Hope they lose tons of cash due to this and the attack of service they are expierencing. They are truley SCAMMERS and anyone that speaks/treats customers like that Tony does should be downgraded!!!!

**Kindred** · 05-10-11, 10:21 AM

ez street was just theft since it shouldn't matter if he played with a bot or not, it was -ev

a +EV payout like 5 dimes makes it easy for anyone with a bot to just grind on autopilot until they hit the jackpots which =+EV player advantage...But still you can't just let a guy grind there for hours and only take his roll when he tries to cash out, that's some slime ball shit. And you have to prove he used a bot, not just zero out his account balance and tell him you are god and can do whatever you want...

**WVU** · 05-10-11, 10:45 AM

5 dimes is inviting advantage gambler action when they offer a +EV game. What did they expect? I know it is too early to judge, but one could say they purposely had this game out to snare advantage players and essentially free roll them.

**nosniboR11** · 05-10-11, 10:46 AM

cant wait till the government comes after you TONY

just a matter of time, this man will be either in prison in 10 years or running and hiding for the rest of his life

**Kaabee** · 05-10-11, 12:19 PM

people still questioning the 20,000 either don't know or are forgetting this is not jacks or better. this game pays royal and four deuces only. the strategy is extremely simple. you just play the deuces unless you have more royal cards . no deuce and not at least two royal cards you redraw it all.

**pjesnik24** · 05-10-11, 12:26 PM

I really do not understand these people who say that the person who played 20000 hands a day HAS to prove that they can do that. I always thought that it is the opposite, that the bookies have to prove that he cannot play 20000 hands a day without any doubt.
what is next? "there is no way you could have placed that 15team parlay to win 150.000 euro with 1 euro stake! Prove it to us that you can do it again! We will even give you 3 chances. Here is 3 Euro and if you hit it again we will pay you the whole 300.000"
If 5dimes can prove he used a bot then that means that there is a need of discussion of what should happen. If they cannot PROVE it then it is an easy call even if this guy played 40.000 hands, I really do not care.

**Dark Horse** · 05-10-11, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by shari91

Dark Horse, in all honesty what do you think the reaction would have been if I had moved this thread to the Casino forum the second I saw zabula's first post because it dealt with a casino game? An A+ book, and more importantly, a prominent SBR advertiser. I'll say with 100% certainty that as soon as someone stumbled across this thread or read about zabula's issue on another forum, there would be a slew of people claiming that SBR was attempting to bury the issue in a sub-forum that has a lot less traffic than this one. Even though that wouldn't have been my intention obviously.

This thread deals with a sportsbook. One that happens to have a banner at the top of the page. It belongs in this forum. Even if I had moved it, someone would have moved it back. And rightfully so.

If this is about SBR's credibility, move the casino forum up below this one. Problem solved. People are not unlike sheep. When one bleats others follow. Did you see how many EZstreet threads were around? Now, predictably, the 5D threads are popping up left, right and center. If this is about 5D's credibility, why not have it in the casino forum? As explained through the Vegas comparison, the outcome of this dispute will have zero impact on my view of how they run the sportsbook. But if you guys think that casinos and sportsbooks are virtually the same, even though you indeed have two separate forums for them, I rest my case. I would still appreciate it if you would consider it for future casino disputes, though. Because they are coming...

**BrianLaverty** · 05-10-11, 01:24 PM

A few things after reading this thread....

- Huge difference between 5dimes and EZStreet: 5dimes HAS the money and probably pays off 5x this much daily..... EZ Street didn't have 46k and thats one of the sole reasons they didnt pay IMO. So if it all comes down to it, 5dimes will pay the player if told to.

- The person who said it is the OP that is doing the DDOS attacks is stupid.... There are a group of Russian hackers who do it to most sportsbooks frequently.... 0% chance its op IMO

- People saying he sat down and didn';t get up for 16 hours straight.... he said earlier who took short breaks for bathroom, lunch, etc. Read his posts before commenting.

- Grinders can do this easily... i'll even use the poker example also.... I am a computer novice and dont have much durability when it comes to staying on the computer for too long. Even I have played 8=9 hours of poker playing 10 tables without getting up... I was absolutely exhausted, but I can see how people do it with practice. I've played 30 hour session at Foxwoods before, also.

- Why wouldnt this be in this forum? Its Sportsbooks & The Industry...5dimes is a sportsbook first and foremost. No reason for it to not be on here.

**cyberinvestor** · 05-10-11, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by thegreen

True Grinders can do this....There are many poker players who do 18-45 tables at a time for prolonged periods which might seem crazy but they have an edge and play to make 10% ROI....No different here as a smart GRINDER saw an advantage and jumped on it. Nothing illegal and as the CHAT logs stated by Tony it was beatable!!!!! For the to steal money from a player is outright SCAM!!! Goes to prove that these site will do whatever they want whenever they want and EVERYONES money is at risk.....Hope they lose tons of cash due to this and the attack of service they are expierencing. They are truley SCAMMERS and anyone that speaks/treats customers like that Tony does should be downgraded!!!!

I agree that players betting offshore need to be EXTRA careful not to do something that could be construed as illegal per the books rules. It sucks but it is the way it is. How many times do kids come on here and say they used their mom's CC for the deposit and now cannot withdraw. Happens all the time! If you don't give the book anything to screw you with then it is easy for you to prove your case. Playing 20,000 hands, while possible, gives the book something to use against you (right or wrong). I cannot count how many times people come here and say they were cheated and they describe what happened and it is rarely a clear example. Nobody comes in and says I played 100 hands of video poker, won $10,000 and nobody will pay me (maybe at a D or F book). Usually they are playing tens of thousands of hands. I don't know the answer but when I play offshore I make sure everything I do leaves no room for someone to say I did something subversive.

**cyberinvestor** · 05-10-11, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by pokerplayer22

After EZstreet stole 46k from a player, there were numerous threads started about them...and all rightfully warrented, especially after SBR ruled in favor of the player. Most of 5dimes new threads have to do with their site being down and not this dispute. IF SBR does side with the player and recommends 5dimes to pay and they dont, its a safe assumption that there will be more threads and a downgrade. Having said that, if SBR rules in favor of the player here, there is a 0% chance that he doesnt get paid.

Not trying to argue the point but here are the open 5Dimes threads right now that have received posts today (I removed those about their site being down). Prior to this case there was maybe one open 5Dimes thread at any given time. The threads:

My horror with 5dimes.com !!!
5Dimes stole 14 500 USD
5dimes in bed with SBR F Scammers LazerWager
Not to jump on 5dimes but..!
5Dimes Is A Sorry Book!
5 Dimes meltdown.

All these threads, six in total, have had posts today all after 11:30am ET. Some of the threads were started in 2006 and reactivated today. Same thing (regarding the posts) as with EZStreet. I am not saying anything about the two cases is similar other than both players allegedly used robots and after the first allegation posted we get a barrage of EZStreet sucks (which they do) threads every day and now it is happening to 5Dimes. I would like to get to the bottom of the current issue and see how it is resolved but enough of the multiple threads!

**cyberinvestor** · 05-10-11, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by BrianLaverty

People saying he sat down and didn';t get up for 16 hours straight.... he said earlier who took short breaks for bathroom, lunch, etc.

If that is true then he had to be cranking hands. As I understand it he did 20,000 in 24 hours. That is 13.88 hands per minute (4.32 seconds per hand). If he stopped for one hour combined during the 24 for breaks, lunch, etc. that means he then needs to do one hand around 4 seconds.

In standard poker online you get a little break while other people are playing. You can sip a drink, take a break, bathroom, whatever. It is much easier to put in a crash 24 hour poker session because you have even a few minutes between hands if you fold your hand early. In video poker you are running hands every 4.32 seconds to keep this pace. I don't see how a human could keep that pace for 24 hours. Maybe 2,3,4,5 but 24 straight without slowing? Doesn't it take a few seconds for the cards to pop up and so on? I mean the cards are dealt, you scan them, his deal and then bet again. Doing that in 4 seconds for hours on end is awesome.

Again, I am not saying it isn't possible. It's just amazing someone could do it.

**WVU** · 05-10-11, 02:19 PM

cyberinvestor, you must not visit the video poker sections of casinos. Some of those blue hairs will sit at one machine for 12 hours straight sipping their coffee or old fashions. Let's get real here. You really have no clue. There was a time when I was cranking out 22,000 hand a day for several weeks straight while sitting in my underwear on some good +EV deals.

**cyberinvestor** · 05-10-11, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by WVU

cyberinvestor, you must not visit the video poker sections of casinos. Some of those blue hairs will sit at one machine for 12 hours straight sipping their coffee or old fashions. Let's get real here. You really have no clue. There was a time when I was cranking out 22,000 hand a day for several weeks straight while sitting in my underwear on some good +EV deals.

You are right, I have no clue and I admit it. I am just saying it is difficult to imagine a person in your case playing 22000 hands a day which means one hand in less than 4 seconds with no breaks. I mean the computer and internet should cause some lag and then combine that with the time it takes you to review, click, and redraw.

I know the little old ladies in Vegas. I see them all the time however I assure you they aren't doing 22 hands a day at their speed let alone 22000.

**Dark Horse** · 05-10-11, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by BrianLaverty

- Huge difference between 5dimes and EZStreet: 5dimes HAS the money and probably pays off 5x this much daily..... EZ Street didn't have 46k and thats one of the sole reasons they didnt pay IMO. So if it all comes down to it, 5dimes will pay the player if told to.

True. If players play at sh*tty books a larger casino loss could mean they don't get paid on the sportsbook side. Not so at 5D, obviously.

Ironically, that means that players on the sportsbook side of EZstreet would have benefited from the way that outfit handled the casino dispute...

**pokerplayer22** · 05-10-11, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by cyberinvestor

Not trying to argue the point but here are the open 5Dimes threads right now that have received posts today (I removed those about their site being down). Prior to this case there was maybe one open 5Dimes thread at any given time. The threads:

My horror with 5dimes.com !!!
5Dimes stole 14 500 USD
5dimes in bed with SBR F Scammers LazerWager
Not to jump on 5dimes but..!
5Dimes Is A Sorry Book!
5 Dimes meltdown.

All these threads, six in total, have had posts today all after 11:30am ET. Some of the threads were started in 2006 and reactivated today. Same thing (regarding the posts) as with EZStreet. I am not saying anything about the two cases is similar other than both players allegedly used robots and after the first allegation posted we get a barrage of EZStreet sucks (which they do) threads every day and now it is happening to 5Dimes. I would like to get to the bottom of the current issue and see how it is resolved but enough of the multiple threads!

You are correct...There are actually more threads going than I thought. I'll guarantee this though. IF SBR sides with the player in this dispute, 5dimes no doubt will pay the player (unlike Sleaztstreet), and then these threads will disappear.

Ezstreets threads, however, will be at the top of the forums for years if they continue to stiff

**darko3131** · 05-10-11, 02:44 PM

interesting thread. I used to think 5dimes was the top site in the industy, not so much anymore. At least I only use the sportsbook.

**cyberinvestor** · 05-10-11, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by trixtrix

i hope you're not qualifying yourself as an expert witness like the therx expert thread, on either physic or video poker play. b/c tbh you don't seem qualified for either. to theoretically time travel the object must travel FASTER than speed of light, NOT NEAR the speed of light. if you don't understand the difference between those two concepts then i would suggest using another example that doesn't require high school level physics. the possibility of time travel in your stated case is dependent on the presumption it is possible for an object matter to travel FASTER than speed of light, would you like provide a relevant historical example of this? vp play rate is an entirely different matter b/c there were historically established precedents. you would do better to listen more than chiming in, if you don't understand the difference

I said in my post that you can travel time if you can manipulate gravity and travel near the speed of light. Check the post and that is 100% correct. Understanding gravity and its importance in the time travel possibility goes beyond your quick Google search but nice job. Lightspeed travel is impossible (for anything with nonzero mass because the object would need infinite energy to accelerate to light speed) but by manipulating gravity you don't need to travel at the speed of light to manipulate time. This is way off topic and ridiculous that we are discussing but since you are challenging me I figured I would quickly discuss.

Guys, you need to actually read. I know it is tough because this board is filled with so many pissed off people who just don't want to have an open conversation if you disagree with them. I have said 100 times that I don't say this isn't possible. I am just amazed that someone can do it. I apologize as I don't have experience sitting at home and doing nothing but video poker. In my life where I travel, have a family, run a business, etc., the thought of playing 20000 hands of poker requiring me to be at a computer for 24 hours straight and running a hand (draw and redraw) in under 4 seconds is astonishing. I never said this guy was a fraud or stood up for 5Dimes. Just find it amazing.

My only other comment on this topic was an observation that cory1111 did the big hit at EZstreet and then we get hammered with posts on EZStreet sucks. Now we are getting hammered with 5Dimes sucks posts (see my other post where I list the six active threads).

I have yet to attack the player or stand up for 5Dimes. I am merely "trying" to have a discussion since I though this was called a "discussion" board. You don't agree with me fine, tell me how. You don't need to attack me in silly ways or like the one poster tell me how I wished I had a "three figure payout" from 5Dimes. I mean that is childish BS.