5Dimes stole 14 500 USD

**sideloaded** · 05-09-11, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

I'm getting so tired of these stupid casino threads that go on and on. Could you please create a separate forum for casino complaints, SBR?

2.5 seconds per hand, perfect strategy, 20,000 hands per day. Day after day after day.

100% certainty that he used a bot. Why is that even in question?

have you ever seen a professional starcraft 2 player and how many actions per minute they can do? kids are different these days, they've been holding a mouse in their hand since they were 2 years old. all you old people need to wake up. this is different time we live in.

**excel** · 05-09-11, 04:03 PM

EZMARVIN... watch closely

**sharpcat** · 05-09-11, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by HedgeHog

Which only begs the question more....Why Not?

Justin7 is the most qualified to handle the case especially with his most recent experience in the Easystreet case.

Obviously though Justin7 would find himself in a real bind if his ruling in both cases did not agree with each other 100% which is why I would imagine that hell would freeze over before this happened. Could you imagine the reaction across the street if the 2 cases were not ruled on exactly the same?

**HedgeHog** · 05-09-11, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by sideloaded

have you ever seen a professional starcraft 2 player and how many actions per minute they can do? kids are different these days, they've been holding a mouse in their hand since they're 2 years old. all you old people need to wake up. this is different time we live in.

Me too since I saw your avatar.

**sideloaded** · 05-09-11, 04:21 PM

thats for all you old people thinking its hard to click a button every 2.3 seconds for 18 hours.

**Br0nxer** · 05-09-11, 04:22 PM

whether this guy cheated or not. i dont really care.

but i do want to say to tony

eat a d1ck F*g

**pokerplayer22** · 05-09-11, 04:22 PM

Its actually pretty funny. If SBR sides with the player here and orders 5dimes to pay due to lack of evidence, and 5dimes obliges, this will make EZ look even worse and more corrupt.

Marvin and Powers....Pay attention as to how A+ books treat their so called valued customers. There is nothing wrong with investigating a bit, but once no evidence is found, you PAY THE PLAYER. You dont steal their money.

**WVU** · 05-09-11, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by sideloaded

thats for all you old people thinking its hard to click a button every 2.3 seconds for 18 hours.

Jaysus. That kid can bot for me anytime

**barcelonafc** · 05-09-11, 04:26 PM

there was a kid that died as he stayed up 3 days and nights straight playing games

**chase hardy** · 05-09-11, 04:27 PM

I believe they will pay if it comes down to it!

**sideloaded** · 05-09-11, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by barcelonafc

there was a kid that died as he stayed up 3 days and nights straight playing games

yep 20 hours straight is childs play.

**Chopsticks** · 05-09-11, 04:36 PM

Hana: I won 250 on fruit slot
Tony: which i'll be sure to send around to all other operations
Hana: so how about this for example?
Hana: I also won on ice hockey
Hana: so damn! you are going to take all my money?? just because I played a LOT HANDS?
Tony: your net winnings on video poker using the robot exceeds your available balance
Tony: so any other winnings would not bring you to a positive balance

I thought all casino wagers were invalidated so why would his net winnings on vp make any difference?? What he earned in sports or other places should not be stolen.

**agharah1** · 05-09-11, 04:36 PM

Is this guy some organized crime to be running a site like this?

**zabula11** · 05-09-11, 04:36 PM

Nice paraphrase with Starcraft..
Difference between me and the kid who died after three days of playing nonstop (sorry for him/she though) is that he did not played for a 5 000 USD expected revenue per month..

Originally posted by barcelonafc

there was a kid that died as he stayed up 3 days and nights straight playing games

**NotSoBad** · 05-09-11, 05:03 PM

Do yall think the guy will say, "yes, I was using a robot". Do you seriously believe that??
How many of you have received thousands in payouts from 5dimes with no questions asked but now, a new guy jumps in saying "he's been cheated on" and yall turn your back at the book??
You little gossip girls.

**HedgeHog** · 05-09-11, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by chase hardy

I believe they will pay if it comes down to it!

I tend to agree. But what if the OP didn't know about this site? No doubt he would have lost everything, which would mean Tony took a shot. And isn't this the very thing he so vehemently preaches against?

**jesuseatsnubs** · 05-09-11, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by NotSoBad

Do yall think the guy will say, "yes, I was using a robot". Do you seriously believe that??
How many of you have received thousands in payouts from 5dimes with no questions asked but now, a new guy jumps in saying "he's been cheated on" and yall turn your back at the book??
You little gossip girls.

LOOK AT WHAT TONY SAID AND THE CHAT TRANSCRIPT .

He is one stubborn idiot .. not to mention a liar and a thief .

I would of been neutral about what he said .. had I not seen what Tony said in the chat .

HE IS A THIEF ... no wonder they are not licensed

**HedgeHog** · 05-09-11, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by NotSoBad

Do yall think the guy will say, "yes, I was using a robot". Do you seriously believe that??
How many of you have received thousands in payouts from 5dimes with no questions asked but now, a new guy jumps in saying "he's been cheated on" and yall turn your back at the book??
You little gossip girls.

No, especially if he didn't. Likewise, would Tony ever admit he's wrong? Nope, he just pays and closes the account. Expect this will happen here.

**Dark Horse** · 05-09-11, 05:23 PM

SBR, can we have a separate forum for casino disputes?

Give all the miracle kids who can play 20,000 hands a day, with perfect strategy for days on end, their own place. They fully deserve it.

**KGambler** · 05-09-11, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by Kaabee

seems like the strategy would be play whatever you have more of and if there is a tie play the deuces. for example 2 deuces would trump 2 to the royal and 3 to the royal would trump 2 deuces.

That's pretty much it.

VPgenius dot com can be used to get the strategy. You can also use it to simulate 10K hands at a time. I just did a 10K hand simulation:

0 royals
2 four dueces

results = -$112.50 (450 bets, 1 bet = $0.25)

If you buy your own software, of course you will be able to simulate as many hands as you want and do more in-depth analysis. I just wanted to give people an idea of the variance of this game...

If you don't have any deuces and you don't have 2 suited high cards, you redraw all 5 (unless you have 1 high card of each suit). So if you have 3d 5h 9s ts kc, you redraw all 5. As you can see, you are discarding all 5 cards quite often. And when you have one or more dueces, it holds them for you.

Playing 17-18 hands per minute should be no problem. I know I was able to play 16-17 and I would consider myself a relatively slow player. Anyone who does not believe this can go play the game right now (but it is -EV now, they changed the payout table).

**Mastertvtech** · 05-09-11, 05:33 PM

Tony is a dick, always was, always will be. I live for the day that someone gets a hold of his neck and chokes him out. He loves to be a big tough man hiding behind his keyboard and is too chicken sh&t to talk live to anyone over the phone......He has f'd over way too many over the years and never acts like a normal human being. His day will come.

I had it out with him 4 or 5 years ago and he continues to be the most loathed SB owner of them all.

**Foosball Champ** · 05-09-11, 05:37 PM

If 5dimes has a game that is so easlily beatable by some "robot" they should have to pay Zabula double just for being so stupid.
Besides, $14,000 should be nothing to a huge book like 5 dimes. I plan on beating 3 fold by the end of the year.

**Timmah2483** · 05-09-11, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by sideloaded

have you ever seen a professional starcraft 2 player and how many actions per minute they can do? kids are different these days, they've been holding a mouse in their hand since they were 2 years old. all you old people need to wake up. this is different time we live in.

as for this and the kid on youtube.. first, that kid is special.. not avg. and thats 2.3seconds per click for 18 straight hrs. and software time. software is gonna steal a second, then u add in him going to the restroom, eating, and what about when he hit royal flushes? no pause to view winnings... its not easy to believe, but it will be sorted out.. siding on either side is crazy at this point

**cyberinvestor** · 05-09-11, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

SBR, can we have a separate forum for casino disputes? Give all the miracle kids who can play 20,000 hands a day, with perfect strategy for days on end, their own place. They fully deserve it.

AMEN! I would say that 99% of the people on SBR are not playing 20,000 hands in a day. Just when the EZStreet thread invasion has slowed now we get the 5Dimes invasion and kicking it all off is another guy allegedly using a robot. Then we get four or five different 5Dimes threads today. Looks awfully similar to the EZStreet scandal.

**Timmah2483** · 05-09-11, 05:45 PM

Ok, www2.5dimes.com is no longer working, like before and i have some important games to bet on tonight.. anyone have an answer for that?

**cyberinvestor** · 05-09-11, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by Timmah2483

as for this and the kid on youtube.. first, that kid is special.. not avg. and thats 2.3seconds per click for 18 straight hrs. and software time. software is gonna steal a second, then u add in him going to the restroom, eating, and what about when he hit royal flushes? no pause to view winnings... its not easy to believe, but it will be sorted out.. siding on either side is crazy at this point

That's the problem I had with cory1111 and now this new guy. It just doesn't make sense to be able to play that many hands. The kid who died playing poker is one player out of how many poker players worldwide? A couple million? I am not saying it isn't possible to go on a video poker bender but 20,000 hands? I mean you need a potty break, stretch break, phone rings, you sneeze, whatever. SBR however has had two guys in a short period of time now who could set decent records at video poker? Might be true but something smells.

**KGambler** · 05-09-11, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by cyberinvestor

Looks awfully similar to the EZStreet scandal.

If Tony hires Shilheim's "expert" than maybe what you are saying would make some sense. So far this doesn't look anything like the EZstreet theft. In the case of easystreetsports stealing $46K from a player, EZMarvin was participating in the thread, spreading lies which were later proven to be false. Then they engaged in a blatant whitewashing of their theft. I can't see this situation getting nearly so ridiculous.

**thegreen** · 05-09-11, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by BigDaddy

i have a feeling another winning casino player is going to get screwed.

tony set a game up to give a 12.5% edge to the player and says only bot players can win at it

unreal

he should pay the player for being so stupid to make a comment so dumb.

Blatant Fraud by 5dimes!!!!

This goes to show you that sites like this that are not regulated can not be trusted!!!! Anyone that sets up a game like that and then ADMITS that only BOTS can beat it has to have another Fraudulent AGENDA for when they have to pay up!! Time they lose some money GOOD JOB ON THE SERVICE ATTACK TODAY!!! Hope they lose lots of Business the CRooks!!!!!!!

PAY UP YOU CROOKS!!!!

**cyberinvestor** · 05-09-11, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by KGambler

If Tony hires Shilheim's "expert" than maybe what you are saying would make some sense. So far this doesn't look anything like the EZstreet theft. In the case of easystreetsports stealing $46K from a player, EZMarvin was participating in the thread, spreading lies which were later proven to be false. Then they engaged in a blatant whitewashing of their theft. I can't see this situation getting nearly so ridiculous.

How it looks like the EZStreet scandal is we have a player allegedly using a robot and on the same day that thread launches we have multiple threads attacking 5Dimes AND a denial of service attack. It's the same method of operation. Get screwed by the book and then launch a temper tantrum with your other SBR buddies and create multiple threads attacking the book in an effort to extort the payment from them through bad PR. Throw in a DOS attack to show them not to mess with you and try to get paid. I am not siding with the book or player, just don't want to come on to SBR and see a ton of 5Dimes blows threads like we had for EZ when that situation was hot and heavy. To the point where Justin7 had to ask people to stop posting new EZ threads.

**2Bdown** · 05-09-11, 05:52 PM

this should be good

**trixtrix** · 05-09-11, 05:53 PM

situation resulting from a +ev game is a bit different than an -ev game, just wait for sbr ruling on this and if you don't like it, you can ask for second opinion to wizard of odds

**scarface** · 05-09-11, 06:05 PM

lets see what the unbiased sbr will do....how is 5dimes a A+ sbr rated book??? maybe because sbr is a business???

**frizzelli** · 05-09-11, 06:06 PM

If SBR rules against EZ street and rules for 5Dimes all credibility gets thrown out the window. This should be interesting to see how this unfolds.

**scarface** · 05-09-11, 06:06 PM

maybe he did use a robot....

**Kaabee** · 05-09-11, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by trixtrix

situation resulting from a +ev game is a bit different than an -ev game, just wait for sbr ruling on this and if you don't like it, you can ask for second opinion to wizard of odds

books should welcome bots on -ev games as long as there is no bonus abuse.